Captain America vs. Gambit

Originally posted by red sabre
i know however lets pretend gambit was trying to charge cap further, do you honestly believe cap would be standing all that time and just letting him charge and charge while looking deep into his eyes like he is some lover boy? seriously gambit wont get the chance to do something like that.

if people believe gambit can charge the same object further and therefor make the explosion even stronger i would like a proof that the longer gambit is charging something the stronger the explosion gets.

Not sure how that helps his argument. Even if you won't to argue that Cap couldn't take the explosion he is certainly capable of owning him like that.

Wolverine has owned Gambit twice, Gambit is good but he's not A-list.

Another argument is that Gambit wasn't trying to kill him, which is a rational explanation. Hell gambit did say 'down for the count', pretty much looked like he expected him to be KOed.

Originally posted by Deadline
Not sure how that helps his argument. Even if you won't to argue that Cap couldn't take the explosion he is certainly capable of owning him like that.

Wolverine has owned Gambit twice, Gambit is good but he's not A-list.

Another argument is that Gambit wasn't trying to kill him, which is a rational explanation. Hell gambit did say 'down for the count', pretty much looked like he expected him to be KOed.

That Gambit didn't want to kill just KO him but he underestimated how tough Cap really is.

Of course I think Cap could one shot Gambit like he did.

Originally posted by Newjak
I would say that's the most rational explanation.

That Gambit didn't want to kill just KO him but he underestimated how tough Cap really is.

Of course I think Cap could one shot Gambit like he did.

I have to say I agree and I did want to argue that Cap was durable enough but Gambit has pretty impressive showings in that regard. The thing is that his chain shirt was attached to him as well so there was no distance at all and nothing to absorb the blast. Cap has some impressive durability showings but I don't think I can believe that Cap would be still standing if Gambit was trying to kill him, at the very least he would be KOed.

Originally posted by Deadline
Not sure how that helps his argument. Even if you won't to argue that Cap couldn't take the explosion he is certainly capable of owning him like that.

Wolverine has owned Gambit twice, Gambit is good but he's not A-list.

Another argument is that Gambit wasn't trying to kill him, which is a rational explanation. Hell gambit did say 'down for the count', pretty much looked like he expected him to be KOed.

first of all cap wasnt serious until the charge, after the charge when cap got serious you could clearly see at this point gambit couldnt hurt him, cap just blocked avoided everything gambit had and one shotted him and thats how most of their fights would go.

as for the explosion thing, gambit was holding back? seriously? throwing several explosive cards at cap and then charge him is holding back? and as far as i remember gambit said something like another hero went down which could indicate another hero has fallen, however that doesnt really matter seeing how gambit didnt believe cap was on his feet which means gambit was expecting cap not being able to get up which means he gave a good portion into this charge and believed himself it was a strong one.

and if we adress more deeply into that charge, gambit grab his chest area however can you provide evidence that the longer gambit holds the same specific area the more powerful the explosion will be? i know if gambit charge something for time the kinetic energy spread thruought more and more area and getting bigger and therefor the explosion is more segnificant, however what if gambit is holding the same object for longer? does that mean the explosion will be stronger? i doubt that.

Are you Carter's sock?

Originally posted by Estacado
Are you Carter's sock?

if you got a problem with the way i view things please enlight us where am i wrong, if not step back and let other people do it.

Originally posted by red sabre
and if we adress more deeply into that charge, gambit grab his chest area however can you provide evidence that the longer gambit holds the same specific area the more powerful the explosion will be? i know if gambit charge something for time the kinetic energy spread thruought more and more area and getting bigger and therefor the explosion is more segnificant, however what if gambit is holding the same object for longer? does that mean the explosion will be stronger? i doubt that.

He can charge anything to different degrees. In Jim Lee and Chris Claremont's X-men #1, he said he could charge a card enough to kill against Magneto but did not. In other instances, he charged a card enough simply to be a flare. In common instances, it creates a small to large explosion. Simply put, yes, he can control the level of explosion.

Originally posted by FlyingAces
He can charge anything to different degrees. In Jim Lee and Chris Claremont's X-men #1, he said he could charge a card enough to kill against Magneto but did not. In other instances, he charged a card enough simply to be a flare. In common instances, it creates a small to large explosion. Simply put, yes, he can control the level of explosion.

how to we know the level he charged cap then? why are you all claiming he was holding back? i can easily say he did his best, he was very surprised that cap got up, and before that he said another hero down for the count, he actually used both of his hands i actually think he went all out on cap and did everything he could for the time gap he had to charge cap.

so he can control the level of explosion from minimal to averege then, but who said that he can charge something further than his normal charge? his statement doesnt worth much i would love to see feats of him being able to charge a card to higher levels than he normally does.

Originally posted by red sabre
first of all cap wasnt serious until the charge, after the charge when cap got serious you could clearly see at this point gambit couldnt hurt him, cap just blocked avoided everything gambit had and one shotted him and thats how most of their fights would go.

as for the explosion thing, gambit was holding back? seriously? throwing several explosive cards at cap and then charge him is holding back? and as far as i remember gambit said something like another hero went down which could indicate another hero has fallen, however that doesnt really matter seeing how gambit didnt believe cap was on his feet which means gambit was expecting cap not being able to get up which means he gave a good portion into this charge and believed himself it was a strong one.

and if we adress more deeply into that charge, gambit grab his chest area however can you provide evidence that the longer gambit holds the same specific area the more powerful the explosion will be? i know if gambit charge something for time the kinetic energy spread thruought more and more area and getting bigger and therefor the explosion is more segnificant, however what if gambit is holding the same object for longer? does that mean the explosion will be stronger? i doubt that.

He wasn't trying to kill Cap. Ok?

Originally posted by Nietzschean

its stated he can transform his kinetic powers into object such as this card, he stated he could transform his kinetic energy into a hairsbreadth which means he could control the amount to minimal degrees, however i asked for a proof he can actually increase his charges on a singal object such as a card into higher than normal levels which wasnt presented yet.

at the end of your scan he said he sliped and lost that ability and it ended up "like this" then he throws the card which suppose to present us the fact its all he can do, so basically you just presented me a feat claiming gambit could in the past but no longer can concetrate his energy in minor levels such as a hairsbreadth however you didnt present me a proof that he can charge single object to higher degrees than normally if he keeps holding it futher and longer.

at the end of the day it cannot be proved gambit didnt use all he could on cap, he used both hands on cap and couldnt believe cap got up after this which means he was giving his best shot IMO, care to prove me wrong?

Originally posted by Deadline
He wasn't trying to kill Cap. Ok?

based on what? i say he didnt really care if cap will die or not, charging him with both hands and then saying another hero went down, and then surprised as hell that cap got up indicates us that he did used a very big portion of what he could, if it was a minor charge he wouldnt be so surprised cap got up, and as i said before it wasnt proved yet he can charge something to greater degrees than normally the longer he holds that object, and even if it will be proved try to prove he didnt charge cap with everything he got.

Originally posted by Nietzschean

is that suppose to prove something? all i see is gambit charging his suit and its blown , so that proves he can charge things with a touch yeah we knew that all along, at this point you are just throwing random feats without providing any explanation to the things i asked.

Originally posted by red sabre
based on what? i say he didnt really care if cap will die or not, charging him with both hands and then saying another hero went down, and then surprised as hell that cap got up indicates us that he did used a very big portion of what he could, if it was a minor charge he wouldnt be so surprised cap got up, and as i said before it wasnt proved yet he can charge something to greater degrees than normally the longer he holds that object, and even if it will be proved try to prove he didnt charge cap with everything he got.

Because thats not his personality. Hes far from squeaky clean but hes not going to kill another hero without a good reason. Based on that when he said 'down for the count' we can take that literially.

Originally posted by red sabre
how to we know the level he charged cap then? why are you all claiming he was holding back? i can easily say he did his best, he was very surprised that cap got up, and before that he said another hero down for the count, he actually used both of his hands i actually think he went all out on cap and did everything he could for the time gap he had to charge cap.

so he can control the level of explosion from minimal to averege then, but who said that he can charge something further than his normal charge? his statement doesnt worth much i would love to see feats of him being able to charge a card to higher levels than he normally does.

The real question is what makes you think he was going all out? I think there's little doubt that Gambit was intending to take down Cap, but it's also obvious that he underestimated him. If he actually went all out on Cap with a full charge intended to kill him, Cap would've been smeared everywhere....unless you're saying Gambit can't kill Cap no matter his intent.

His statement about being able kill with a card means everything. I mean, it's his power...unless you're saying he doesn't know his own power.

Originally posted by FlyingAces
The real question is what makes you think he was going all out? I think there's little doubt that Gambit was intending to take down Cap, but it's also obvious that he underestimated him. If he actually went all out on Cap with a full charge intended to kill him, Cap would've been smeared everywhere....unless you're saying Gambit can't kill Cap no matter his intent.

His statement about being able kill with a card means everything. I mean, it's his power...unless you're saying he doesn't know his own power.

I'm not sure if he can charge a card to be much more powerful than a hand grenade. There are lots of showings that indicate the size of the object makes a difference.

His statement about being able kill with a card means everything. I mean, it's his power...unless you're saying he doesn't know his own power.

comic book characters overestimate their powers and underestimated their opponent on a daily basis. you would think that they all would know their power by now

he could have easily thought he put in enough energy to kill Cap but didnt realise that Cap is immortal. or put in just enough to KO Cap but underestimated his Cap-ness

these people make false "this can/will kill you" statements all the time

Originally posted by juggerman
comic book characters overestimate their powers and underestimated their opponent on a daily basis. you would think that they all would know their power by now

he could have easily thought he put in enough energy to kill Cap but didnt realise that Cap is immortal. or put in just enough to KO Cap but underestimated his Cap-ness

these people make false "this can/will kill you" statements all the time

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm not sure if he can charge a card to be much more powerful than a hand grenade. There are lots of showings that indicate the size of the object makes a difference.

Yes, size makes a difference, but he can control the amount of explosion in his charges with small arms. He's used cards as flares and flashlights all the way to creating explosions with them. Especially when it comes to the small stuff, how powerful the explosion is more dependent on his intent than charge time or the like.