Speaking of charging clothing articles, anyone have scans of Gambit charging the Tithe Collector`s coat in Gambit`s first mini series? IIRC, he killed the Tithe Collector with that charge and the amount of time wasn’t more than the time it took to charge Cap’s costume. If someone has those scans, I’d like to see if what I remember is correct.
Originally posted by FlyingAces
Speaking of charging clothing articles, anyone have scans of Gambit charging the Tithe Collector`s coat in Gambit`s first mini series? IIRC, he killed the Tithe Collector with that charge and the amount of time wasn’t more than the time it took to charge Cap’s costume. If someone has those scans, I’d like to see if what I remember is correct.
Only scan I could find.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/47816/1133471-scan0010.jpg
Originally posted by Deadline
Because thats not his personality. Hes far from squeaky clean but hes not going to kill another hero without a good reason. Based on that when he said 'down for the count' we can take that literially.
what does down for the count means? it can also mean down for the body count, rammy is not a boyscout character and during his whole history he was blowing up people , blowing body parts off , dont try to make gambit another boyscout superman, as far as we see gambit is using all his powers on cap and even charge him with both hands, we saw that gambit can blow up armors people easily with 1 hand, in this case he was using 2 hands on cap, there is no evidence that gambit was going light on cap and perhaps the writer wanted to make a statement that cap can take a max charge from gambit which he did, otherwise why use 2 hands on cap?
Originally posted by DeadlineThere is a limit to how much of a charge he can put in a playing card. but, a grenade comparison seems like an appropriate comparison.
I'm not sure if he can charge a card to be much more powerful than a hand grenade. There are lots of showings that indicate the size of the object makes a difference.
here he regulates the explosion to incinerate Spiderman's web balls with minimum amount of noise.
http://www.gambitguild.com/GGForum/index.php?PHPSESSID=337af1b039c51e50a5dc6e048e1d63bf&action=gallery;sa=view;id=2592
he has also used a single card to clear an entire room with a concussion blast.
http://www.lediableblanc.com/Chest/pigs4.jpg
http://www.lediableblanc.com/Chest/pigs5.jpg
Originally posted by FlyingAces
The real question is what makes you think he was going all out? I think there's little doubt that Gambit was intending to take down Cap, but it's also obvious that he underestimated him. If he actually went all out on Cap with a full charge intended to kill him, Cap would've been smeared everywhere....unless you're saying Gambit can't kill Cap no matter his intent.His statement about being able kill with a card means everything. I mean, it's his power...unless you're saying he doesn't know his own power.
as i said before we see gambit using both his hands on cap there is no reason to believe he was going light on him.
prove that gambit can increase his kinetic damage on specific object the longer he holds the object, i know he can use minor kinetic charge and go up to the normal levels like the cards he throws, however prove that he can increase his charge to above ordinary levels.
gambit stating something about his powers does not mean he can actually do it, hyperball is not new and perhapds gambit think he can do such thing however it doesnt really mean he can.
people seem to not understand my point, lets take cyclops for example, he can concetrate his optic blast into thin lines, pick locks with it, he can manipulate his optic blast from thin hair like lines into his normal optic blast, however does that mean he can manipulate the optic blast as much as he wants? there is a limit to his optic blast and its the same optic blast he use when his visors are on, visors off he has the GOML blast however that blast is limited as well, now my question is where is the proof that gambit can charge an object even futher beyond his normal charge that he use daily, and it depends on how long he touch the object, and then prove he didnt use all he had on cap, he was using both hands on cap which clearly tells us he wasnt planning on going light with cap.
Originally posted by red sabre
as i said before we see gambit using both his hands on cap there is no reason to believe he was going light on him.prove that gambit can increase his kinetic damage on specific object the longer he holds the object, i know he can use minor kinetic charge and go up to the normal levels like the cards he throws, however prove that he can increase his charge to above ordinary levels.
gambit stating something about his powers does not mean he can actually do it, hyperball is not new and perhapds gambit think he can do such thing however it doesnt really mean he can.
It doesn`t mean he can`t either. You`re trying to write off what he says without actually showing that he`s wrong. And what do you mean by ordinary levels? He`s always shown he can control the level of his charge, so I`m not exactly sure what the disconnect is.
Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, I'm sure Gambit wouldn't know how his own powers work, and should be written off as hyperbole. 🙄Either Gambit was holding back, or Cap tanking his best is PIS. Either way.
Cap's not Luke Cage. He can't survive a grenade.
cap survived things much more damagin than a grenade start to read comics genious.
hyperball is not new in comics, people state stuff so what? gambit thinks he can achieve some level good for him, until we see him do it he can wish anything he wants.
prove gambit was holding back, we see that he charged cap entire scale suit and we see that the explosion actually took out trees.
Originally posted by FlyingAces
It doesn`t mean he can`t either. You`re trying to write off what he says without actually showing that he`s wrong. And what do you mean by ordinary levels? He`s always shown he can control the level of his charge, so I`m not exactly sure what the disconnect is.
never said he could never said he couldnt, however until we see him doing something we cant just go by character statements, otherwise black adam is the most powerful being in DC universe.
you just dont get it do you? maybe if you were trying to read my post before rushing in to reply you would understand, re read my post and try to figure it out.
Originally posted by red sabre
it depends on how long he touch the object, and then prove he didnt use all he had on cap, he was using both hands on cap which clearly tells us he wasnt planning on going light with cap.
I think you`re misunderstanding that the length of time he needs to charge an object means it`ll make a bigger explosion on small items. On big items, sure, you`d be right. On small items, he charged a card much longer when he was using it as a flashlight than on his normal exploding cards, but all it did was burn out. On small items, it`s more the intent of his usage rather than charging time that`s the deciding factor of how big a boom he makes.
Originally posted by red sabre
never said he could never said he couldnt, however until we see him doing something we cant just go by character statements, otherwise black adam is the most powerful being in DC universe.you just dont get it do you? maybe if you were trying to read my post before rushing in to reply you would understand, re read my post and try to figure it out.
No, I read all of what you said, but you`re failing to realize it doesn`t make any sense at all (sincè you`re obviously makeing weird arguments out of desperation). Unless you show otherwise, Gambit`s comments are taken as they are. You can argue something silly like what he says doesn`t matter because characters at times overestimate themselves, but the reality is most of the time they`re correct in their power assessments.
Originally posted by FlyingAces
I think you`re misunderstanding that the length of time he needs to charge an object means it`ll make a bigger explosion on small items. On big items, sure, you`d be right. On small items, he charged a card much longer when he was using it as a flashlight than on his normal exploding cards, but all it did was burn out. On small items, it`s more the intent of his usage rather than charging time that`s the deciding factor of how big a boom he makes.
as i said prove that the longer he holds an object the stronger the explosion gets, by stronger i mean beyond his averege charge which he use, when gambit touch an object he charge it with his kinetic energy, after that if he keeps touching the object it wont make it more kineticly charged because the object already absorbed all the kinetic energy it could and therefor it wont make difference, he can choose perhaps if he is charging it with his maximum charge or minimal charge however the longer he holds doesnt mean the stronger the charge.
Originally posted by FlyingAces
No, I read all of what you said, but you`re failing to realize it doesn`t make any sense at all (sincè you`re obviously makeing weird arguments out of desperation). Unless you show otherwise, Gambit`s comments are taken as they are. You can argue something silly like what he says doesn`t matter because characters at times overestimate themselves, but the reality is most of the time they`re correct in their power assessments.
what i say makes perfect sense, as i said please prove the longer he holds an object the more kinetic energy he injects into it after he already injected his kinetic energy into that object.
as i said before hyperball is nothing new, characters sometimes state things they cant do, and just like i cant completely prove he cant do that you cant prove he can do that so stop with the double standard.
Originally posted by red sabre
cap survived things much more damagin than a grenade start to read comics genious.
And I'm sure you wouldn't argue if it happens in a comic, it's valid. You'd certainly know the difference between PIS/SvsF and valid feats, right?
The argument keeps coming up that if it happens enough times in comics, it must be valid. Spotting Spiderman vs Firelord stuff is a little more nuanced number of feats per character....
No matter how many times Slade tagged Flash, that doesn't make him a super speedster. The same bar applies to durability feats...
Originally posted by Nietzschean
here he regulates the explosion to incinerate Spiderman's web balls with minimum amount of noise.
http://www.gambitguild.com/GGForum/index.php?PHPSESSID=337af1b039c51e50a5dc6e048e1d63bf&action=gallery;sa=view;id=2592
What happened later? Please tell me they fought in that arc and Parker got his ass handed to him.
Originally posted by cdtm
And I'm sure you wouldn't argue if it happens in a comic, it's valid. You'd certainly know the difference between PIS/SvsF and valid feats, right?The argument keeps coming up that if it happens enough times in comics, it must be valid. Spotting Spiderman vs Firelord stuff is a little more nuanced number of feats per character....
No matter how many times Slade tagged Flash, that doesn't make him a super speedster. The same bar applies to durability feats...
if something happens so many times it becomes the standard then calling it PIS would be dumb.
spider man beating firelord caliber characters can be counted on 1 hand, the times he didnt can be counted on calculator.
flash got way too many feats to his speed to suggest slade can do that to him, it is possible for a character to constantly job to a specific one, however the overall amount of feats prevail, same as with cap and his durability feats.
Originally posted by red sabre
as i said prove that the longer he holds an object the stronger the explosion gets, by stronger i mean beyond his averege charge which he use, when gambit touch an object he charge it with his kinetic energy, after that if he keeps touching the object it wont make it more kineticly charged because the object already absorbed all the kinetic energy it could and therefor it wont make difference, he can choose perhaps if he is charging it with his maximum charge or minimal charge however the longer he holds doesnt mean the stronger the charge.
I think you`re starting to get it with this line: `he can choose perhaps if he is charging it with his maximum charge or minimal charge `. You`re right in that an item has a maximum kinetic charge. He can choose to charge an objec to its max or with a very low charge. As I said, with small objects, there is very little correlation between charge time (ie. the longer he holds it) and the bigger the boom.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWBlack Cat broke up the fight and they teamed up.
What happened later? Please tell me they fought in that arc and Parker got his ass handed to him.
go to the bottom of the page and click the previous or next to see the rest of the scans.
To everyone else I think the Green Ranger guy is just trolling or he really doesnt read comics. just ignore him.
