Captain America vs. Gambit

Originally posted by red sabre
what i say makes perfect sense, as i said please prove the longer he holds an object the more kinetic energy he injects into it after he already injected his kinetic energy into that object.

as i said before hyperball is nothing new, characters sometimes state things they cant do, and just like i cant completely prove he cant do that you cant prove he can do that so stop with the double standard.

I`m not sure why you`re focused so much on charge time. Perhaps you`re mistaking me for someone else, but I even said earlier `Especially when it comes to the small stuff, how powerful the explosion is more dependent on his intent than charge time or the like.`

Well you say you can`t prove that he can`t, and you can`t prove that he can....yet you`re argument is saying he can`t, since you`re saying what he said is hyperbole without anything to back it up.

Originally posted by FlyingAces
I think you`re starting to get it with this line: `he can choose perhaps if he is charging it with his maximum charge or minimal charge `. You`re right in that an item has a maximum kinetic charge. He can choose to charge an objec to its max or with a very low charge. As I said, with small objects, there is very little correlation between charge time (ie. the longer he holds it) and the bigger the boom.

prove the longer he holds it the bigger the boom, prove he can charge an object futher than his averege charges, show me a feat of gambit charging something then say screw it i am going for broke and he keeps holding it and its charged futher and futrther, if something like that is within his powers it would be presented by now, if not then i am not going by your speculations.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
Black Cat broke up the fight and they teamed up.

go to the bottom of the page and click the previous or next to see the rest of the scans.

To everyone else I think the Green Ranger guy is just trolling or he really doesnt read comics. just ignore him.

i just hate that loser attitude of " i cant handle this guy's argument so i am going to be an ass and call him a troll", try harder.

Originally posted by FlyingAces
I`m not sure why you`re focused so much on charge time. Perhaps you`re mistaking me for someone else, but I even said earlier `Especially when it comes to the small stuff, how powerful the explosion is more dependent on his intent than charge time or the like.`

Well you say you can`t prove that he can`t, and you can`t prove that he can....yet you`re argument is saying he can`t, since you`re saying what he said is hyperbole without anything to back it up.

because people claimed if gambit wanted he could charge cap further.

prove gambit didnt use his full charge on cap, he charged all his chest scales and the explosion took out trees and everything around , he was surprised cap survived, all this leads us to the fact he used a powerful blast, prove its not his hardest.

a statement needs to be backed up otherwise its only a statement, its not even a narration statement which is even worse since character yabling their mouth all day long and say false stuff.

Originally posted by red sabre
prove the longer he holds it the bigger the boom, prove he can charge an object futher than his averege charges, show me a feat of gambit charging something then say screw it i am going for broke and he keeps holding it and its charged futher and futrther, if something like that is within his powers it would be presented by now, if not then i am not going by your speculations.

….what? I don’t think you actually read what I wrote….

” As I said, with small objects, there is very little correlation between charge time (ie. the longer he holds it) and the bigger the boom . ”

gambit threw 3 cards at cap that took out a tree, gambit charged cap with both hands making his entire chest scale be sharged and explode, gambit was very surprised cap got up, the explosion took down trees and everything around him, this all leads us to believe gambit indeed was trying to hurt cap and wasnt holding back on him.

Originally posted by red sabre
i just hate that loser attitude of " i cant handle this guy's argument so i am going to be an ass and call him a troll", try harder.

your claim that Captain America isnt an armored truck or Gambit cant hurt guys of Captain America's stats is absurd especially when in his own history he has hurt Rogue, Gladiator, Juggernaut who was still a 100 tonner during his depowerment and even if we go as low as 30 tons he still hurt a guy who is vastly superior to Captain America.

your argument is that Gambit did his best to blow up Captain America but Gambit doesnt kill heroes. Gambit killing psychotic aliens and killers with no remorse does not mean he would do the same to Captain America. so he is already handicapped.

If you think killing killers means he would kill Cap then Superman, Captain America would be just as likely to kill fellow heroes but, we know that is just not the truth.

Originally posted by FlyingAces
….what? I don’t think you actually read what I wrote….

” As I said, with small objects, [B]there is very little correlation between charge time (ie. the longer he holds it) and the bigger the boom . ” [/B]

so you basically keep claiming the longer he holds the object the more kinetic energy he can charge into the object and basically create stronger explosions based on that? this has to be proved.

also another point.

Captain America said Gambit could not Charge organic flesh and that is bull b/c that hasnt bn a limitation to gambit for several years.

Once his power settled after it had gone haywire he was and is suppose to be able to charge organic matter just as easily as inorganic matter. The writer clearly did not know this.

😠

not that it matters in a fight with Cap b/c Gambit would never do that to him.

Originally posted by red sabre
so you basically keep claiming the longer he holds the object the more kinetic energy he can charge into the object and basically create stronger explosions based on that? this has to be proved.

Originally posted by red sabre
because people claimed if gambit wanted he could charge cap further.

prove gambit didnt use his full charge on cap, he charged all his chest scales and the explosion took out trees and everything around , he was surprised cap survived, all this leads us to the fact he used a powerful blast, prove its not his hardest.

By charging up further, it`s more than likely less to do with more time with hands-on to charge and more intent to use stronger force. Sort of like charging to make a small explosion vs. charging to make a bigger explosion.

Actually, it`s you that needs to prove it`s a full charge. At a full charge, Gambit has killed people. You`re basically saying Cap can avoid being blown apart by a big bomb, which is silly.

Originally posted by red sabre
a statement needs to be backed up otherwise its only a statement, its not even a narration statement which is even worse since character yabling their mouth all day long and say false stuff.

It`s actually the person arguing against the statement that needs to provide proof that it`s not true. Simply dismissing it simply doesn`t work on a battleboard.

Originally posted by red sabre
so you basically keep claiming the longer he holds the object the more kinetic energy he can charge into the object and basically create stronger explosions based on that? this has to be proved.

Holy crap, I don`t know what to say. I said the EXACT opposite. Read again:

As I said, with small objects, there is very little correlation between charge time (ie. the longer he holds it) and the bigger the boom.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
your position is ridiculous for anyone who reads comics and knows basic knowledge of both characters.

your claim that Captain America isnt an armored truck or Gambit cant hurt guys of Captain America's stats is absurd especially when in his own history he has hurt Rogue, Gladiator, Juggernaut who was still a 100 tonner during his depowerment and even if we go as low as 30 tons he still hurt a guy who is vastly superior to Captain America.

your argument is that Gambit did his best to blow up Captain America but Gambit doesnt kill heroes. Gambit killing psychotic aliens and killers with no remorse does not mean he would do the same to Captain America. so he is already handicapped.

If you think killing killers means he would kill Cap then Superman, Captain America would be just as likely to kill fellow heroes but, we know that is just not the truth.

my claims and questions are perfectly in place, you dont like it and getting all into some rage going to respect threads posting gambvit feats and posting cable tackle cap is childish and laughable to be honset.

what are captain america stats? can you tell me that?

there is an on panel proof that cap did take a full charge by gambit and survived it, trees were ripped from the place, cap was bruised and bleeding, but he took it and one shotted gambit, you can hate it you can go into your private rage about it i dont care but facts are facts now deal with it already.

Lol you are such a double standard one seriously, you are getting down on me for saying cap can survive gambit based on his entire durability history, but they you go and point out gambit being able to hurt gladiator with his cards? geez talking about double standard, based on the durability feats gladiator has gambit cards should tickle him at best, that juggernaut was very depowered and gambit didnt really hurt him with his charged cards, juggernaut was holding a building and the explosive cards took him off balance and he fell with the building, the cards did not injure him even with the fact he was greatly depowered to the point he had trouble with lifting a building.

who knows what the writer intentions were? maybe the writer wanted to make a clear statement that cap can take everything gambit has, gambit threw 3 cards at cap that blew up trees, thats holding back? gambit charged the entire body scale of captain america which made a huge explosion taking down trees and everything around, then gambit is fully surprised cap got up from that, how on earth does it tell you he was holding back? thats just stupid.

Originally posted by FlyingAces
You`re basically saying Cap can avoid being blown apart by a big bomb, which is silly.

But he's survived worse! 😱

This is why we have a Spiderman vs Firelord standard in the first place.. Because writers can be fanboys too.

Originally posted by red sabre

Originally posted by Nietzschean
easily proven. but the cards have a limit to the amount of energy it can be charged with

"charged it with too much energy", thats exactly what i was talking about, in this scan we dont see him making it more dangerous the longer he holds it, this feat reffers to the statement i made that gambit can choose to charge the object with minimal charge or his maximum charge it depends on him, he wasnt focused and charged it more than he wanted, however my claim is after gambit charge the object normally like he does when he is buisness and charging it with full kinetic charge, can he keep charging it further and increasing its charge based on the time he holds that object? that wasnt answered yet.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
this forum has a no pis rule which you seem to be completely ignoring for your position of Captain America being able to take explosions that no higher stat hero or villain has been able to when facing Gambit.

how is it PIS if he does it constantly? if anything gambit hurting someone like gladiator is PIS

Originally posted by red sabre
how is it PIS if he does it constantly? if anything gambit hurting someone like gladiator is PIS

So tell us, what "can't" Cap take? Explosions, or punches.

Originally posted by cdtm
So tell us, what "can't" he take? How much damage does it take to critically, or even seriously injure him?

first of all tell me what was the amount of energy that he took from gambit? compare it to something

Originally posted by red sabre
and charging it with full kinetic charge, can he keep charging it further and increasing its charge based on the time he holds that object? that wasnt answered yet.

I think at this point you`re creating your arguments based on misinterpretation on what everyone`s saying. I don`t see anyone arguing for this. More than likely, if I were to hypothesize, I think you`re assuming that Gambit charges his weapons at max power all the time (which would be incorrect). Therefore the bombs he makes is it`s full potential and it can`t go any further.