Classic Beyonder vs Lucifer

Leonheartmm. Do you realize that Marvel has all right to name their fictional creation to whatever they want?
And considering how it have been stated time, over time, both in comics and in handbooks that Marvel in fact is an omniverse. No matter how much you hate it, it's canon.
The omniverse, in scientifical terms (or rather poetical) is all alternate universes, in all alternate times.
And if Marvel wants all possibilities possibly potrayed in their universe they can have it. In fact, they do have it.

Originally posted by Astner
Leonheartmm. Do you realize that Marvel has all right to name their fictional creation to whatever they want?
And considering how it have been stated time, over time, both in comics and in handbooks that Marvel in fact is an omniverse. No matter how much you hate it, it's canon.
The omniverse, in scientifical terms (or rather poetical) is all alternate universes, in all alternate times.
And if Marvel wants all possibilities possibly potrayed in their universe they can have it. In fact, they do have it.

There is no distinction between Multiverse,Megaverse, and Omniverse IF Marvel erases the line of what Omniverse Means. thus one company's Multiverse could be, just as big as another companies omniverse if that line is crossed. a rose by any other name is still a rose. A multiverse by any other name...

No :/

We have a definition for Multiverse and Omniverse.

Originally posted by llagrok
No :/

We have a definition for Multiverse and Omniverse.

Sure we do. Omniverse has always been the collection of every fantasy based and comic based reality in one. This is what allows cross overs. Anything else is nothing more than my gun is bigger than yours. When both are the same. As it stands, DC has a sea of multiverses as well as 52 universes which all are in fact megaverses themselves.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Sure we do. Omniverse has always been the collection of every fantasy based and comic based reality in one. This is what allows cross overs. Anything else is nothing more than my gun is bigger than yours. When both are the same. As it stands, DC has a sea of multiverses as well as 52 universes which all are in fact megaverses themselves.

No.

Marvel has a clear definition for a multiverse and omniverse. Whether anyone agrees or not doesn't matter unless you work for Marvel. They set their own rules, so choosing to ignore them (or DC's or any other comic book company's rules) automatically makes anyone's argument meaningless.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Marvel has a clear definition for a multiverse and omniverse. Whether anyone agrees or not doesn't matter unless you work for Marvel. They set their own rules, so choosing to ignore them (or DC's or any other comic book company's rules) automatically makes anyone's argument meaningless.

marvel HASNT portrayed all realities. they havent shown any other characters but marevel's own. let see them make a statement like " the main dc universe is also part of the thingwhich was affected by abraxas/roma/LT. theyll have lawers on their ass faster than they can clean em. its a breach of COPYRIGHT. if we are to accept that marvel has different names for the same thing than i am compelled to say tha power level wise, 1 megaverse in marvel = 1 universe in dc. please dont be silly and re read teh argument i posted. marvel has no real right to go on changing the meanings of words, and if they do, well the word still represents the same old thing. doesnt make a difference in power levels.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh my GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! roflmao
have you SEEN how many contradictions there are in those posts

merlyn was the omniversal guradina. roma guards ALL. ALL= omniverse
LT is the multiversal guardian. LT is present simultaneously in the omniverse, LT holds two megaverses in his hands.

hence LT is WEAKER than roma!!!!!! lol. and then you go on to say that LT is OMNIPOTENT. when infact he was resisted by dr strange, driven away by korvack, killed by thanos with the heart{who destroyed one UNIVERSE in hs words and wasnt omnipotent himself as he didnt see wrlock who was outside the multiverse and hwo survived}. where was his OMNIPOTENCE an pulse of creation then????

actually all that rant does is prove my point that marvel is supremely inconcistant and delving in massive amounts of hyperbole OR the words they use have a different meaning from words used in other comic book publishers, which depowers marvel further.

words mean nothing if they dont represent anything. its like saying "a SQUARE CIRCLE" . its a direct contradiction and means nothing even if you say it. no such thing exists.

for the last time.

universe= self explanatory
multiverse = a kind of circle of interconnected universes{usuallu infinite but any connected construct with more than one universe CAN be seen as multiversal}
megaverse= the ENTIRE reality of ANY comic. whether it contains one universe or infinite MULTIVERSES. it also contains any void tere may be and any realms etc which can not be categorised as a MULTIVERSE or VOID as well as any being who exist in the void. basically, no matter how big or small a comic book publisher's reality is, its a MEGAVERSE. so marvel is ONE megavers, DC is ONE megaverse and street fighter is ONE megaverse. they are not all equal in power or size but they are nonetheless, by consensus of definition, ONE megaverse

omniverse= there is only ONE omniverse and it consists of all realities of all comic book publishers and media past present and future and also contains our REAL universe/multiverse. any new publisher realities that might come into existance are also added to this. omni means ALL. there is nothing MORE than omni{i.e. true definition of OMNIpotent, OMNIscient}. omniverses only become the PLAYGROUND or template in amalgams.

no comic book publisher can legally lay claim to more than ONE megaverse, irrespective of how big their reality in comics may be. and marvel didnt, since if they had the balls to do it, they wudv shown copyright material from other publishers. nugh said. and NO1 can law claim to the single omniverse at ALL.

now irrespective of how many times marvel says they have more than one megaverse or an entire omniverse is insignificant, it is just like the square circle, it means GIBBERISH. if marvel doesnt follow concensus of all other major companies on definitions then marvel's definition of megaverse can not be taken at the same power level and value as DC'S value and power of megaverse. its like calling an atom a planet. no matter how many times you do it, the atom doesnt BECOME the planet. marvel has one and only one megaverse by the definition of the world and unfortunately you will have to deal with it 🙂 .

Originally posted by Astner
Leonheartmm. Do you realize that Marvel has all right to name their fictional creation to whatever they want?
And considering how it have been stated time, over time, both in comics and in handbooks that Marvel in fact is an omniverse. No matter how much you hate it, it's canon.
The omniverse, in scientifical terms (or rather poetical) is all alternate universes, in all alternate times.
And if Marvel wants all possibilities possibly potrayed in their universe they can have it. In fact, they do have it.

where does Marvel claim they have an omniverse?

No, they will get sued if they make use of other characters for their own profit. To say that they own a fictional creation were every reality and timeline is existant, insinuating that they have the same characters is so vauge that it impossibly could lead to a lawsuit.

Going by continuity, Marvel has a Omniverse. This statemet is backed up by multiple evidences that can be brought from the comics themselves as well as from the handbooks.
In this Omniverse; megaverses, multiverses and universes exists.
- Which has Mr Masters scans as reference.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh my GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! roflmao
have you SEEN how many contradictions there are in those posts

Still ..... smokin? ... jeesh.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

merlyn was the omniversal guardian.

..................................................................................

Just one of Matrix/Merlyn's feats:

He created the Starlight Citadel,
it's a nexus to every Universe in the Omniverse:

"from this venue,
the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"

Originally posted by leonheartmm

roma guards ALL. ALL= omniverse

The WRITER states:

"This is Roma ... For as long as anyone can remember,
she's borne a responsibility for the safety and security of the Omniverse,
Not simply the worlds & civilizations of a single Universe,
But OF THEM ALL"

Originally posted by leonheartmm

LT is the multiversal guardian.

LT is the Omniversal JUDGE!

"The most supreme power"

Only THOTI has ever defeated the LT.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

LT is present simultaneously in the omniverse

Originally posted by leonheartmm

LT holds two megaverses in his hands.

(or more precisely the power of two MegaverseS) same thing really.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

hence LT is WEAKER than roma!!!!!! lol.

Stop smokin when debating.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

and then you go on to say that LT is OMNIPOTENT.
when infact he was resisted by dr strange

Originally posted by leonheartmm

driven away by korvack

doh

Originally posted by leonheartmm

killed by thanos with the heart
{who destroyed one UNIVERSE in hs words and wasnt omnipotent himself

It was all of Marvel that got absorbed, and Thanos was omnipotent,
according to Jim Starlin (Writer) and Joe Quesada (Editor in-Chief)
anything you have to say to dispute what they say,
is utter gibberish to me.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

as he didnt see wrlock who was outside the multiverse and hwo survived}. where was his OMNIPOTENCE an pulse of creation then????

Something that had never been done up to that point as Jim Starlin stated.
(not like that)

Originally posted by leonheartmm

actually all that rant does is prove my point that marvel is supremely inconcistant and delving in massive amounts of hyperbole OR the words they use have a different meaning from words used in other comic book publishers, which depowers marvel further.
words mean nothing if they dont represent anything. its like saying "a SQUARE CIRCLE" . its a direct contradiction and means nothing even if you say it. no such thing exists.
for the last time.
universe= self explanatory
multiverse = a kind of circle of interconnected universes{usuallu infinite but any connected construct with more than one universe CAN be seen as multiversal}
megaverse= the ENTIRE reality of ANY comic. whether it contains one universe or infinite MULTIVERSES. it also contains any void tere may be and any realms etc which can not be categorised as a MULTIVERSE or VOID as well as any being who exist in the void. basically, no matter how big or small a comic book publisher's reality is, its a MEGAVERSE. so marvel is ONE megavers, DC is ONE megaverse and street fighter is ONE megaverse. they are not all equal in power or size but they are nonetheless, by consensus of definition, ONE megaverse
omniverse= there is only ONE omniverse and it consists of all realities of all comic book publishers and media past present and future and also contains our REAL universe/multiverse. any new publisher realities that might come into existance are also added to this. omni means ALL. there is nothing MORE than omni{i.e. true definition of OMNIpotent, OMNIscient}. omniverses only become the PLAYGROUND or template in amalgams.
no comic book publisher can legally lay claim to more than ONE megaverse, irrespective of how big their reality in comics may be. and marvel didnt, since if they had the balls to do it, they wudv shown copyright material from other publishers. nugh said. and NO1 can law claim to the single omniverse at ALL.
now irrespective of how many times marvel says they have more than one megaverse or an entire omniverse is insignificant, it is just like the square circle, it means GIBBERISH. if marvel doesnt follow concensus of all other major companies on definitions then marvel's definition of megaverse can not be taken at the same power level and value as DC'S value and power of megaverse. its like calling an atom a planet. no matter how many times you do it, the atom doesnt BECOME the planet. marvel has one and only one megaverse by the definition of the world and unfortunately you will have to deal with it

If you can't accept Marvel On Panel facts,
that are confirmed in official Handbooks,
and Marvel sites.

You really shouldn't debate Marvel at all.

I just presented an insurmountable amount of evidence,
and you come back with this drivel,
still trying to jam your unsupported self-imposed idealism of what Marvel should be,
instead of just accepting what Marvel wants their own company to be.

😆 Which is insane, I don't even know what to say to that.
This isn't a debate, you're just being obtuse, no offense but come on, jeesh.

Mr M, might want to check Eric's argument in the Thanos vs Spectre thread. He actually have a quite valid point, this will be interesting.

Thanos didn't know about Warlock :/

That's speculation Master, you might think it's implied or hinted at, but it's speculation.

Originally posted by Astner
No, they will get sued if they make use of other characters for their own profit. To say that they own a fictional creation were every reality and timeline is existant, insinuating that they have the same characters is so vauge that it impossibly could lead to a lawsuit.

Going by continuity, Marvel has a Omniverse. This statemet is backed up by multiple evidences that can be brought from the comics themselves as well as from the handbooks.
In this Omniverse; megaverses, multiverses and universes exists.
- Which has Mr Masters scans as reference.

So you can not produce evidence, your going on scans from Mr Master....ok 😆

Originally posted by starlock
So you can not produce evidence, your going on scans from Mr Master....ok 😆

Uhm, Exiles....

Originally posted by llagrok
Thanos didn't know about Warlock :/

That's speculation Master, you might think it's implied or hinted at, but it's speculation.

Originally posted by llagrok
Uhm, Exiles....

And your sure they claim the omniverse they depict as their own or do they just refer to the omniverse?