Classic Beyonder vs Lucifer

Started by Air Legend26 pages

Why the **** is the definition of omniverse being discussed here? Omniverse simply means all reality. Marvel Omniverse simply means all reality of Marvel. Get this definition shit outta here.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Show me the proper definition of an omniverse.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Its at the bottom.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Why the **** is the definition of omniverse being discussed here? Omniverse simply means all reality. Marvel Omniverse simply means all reality of Marvel. Get this definition shit outta here.

Because Leon is a huge fan of a ridicolous anime called Slayers, which where a high end reality warper called L-sama, or Lord of Nightmares. Is said to be omnipotent. She only controls four universes and she failed to kill a magical being in a single attack.
Now if Marvel's bigger than that, Marvel has more authority. Hence more power to control in his eyes. And he can't accept that.

Originally posted by starlock
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Its at the bottom.


Page is moderated by fans with no connection to the Marvel staff, and judging by the writing, no connections to recent comics or handbooks.

Originally posted by starlock
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Its at the bottom.

So you are unwilling to accept on panel statements about Marvel's omniverse but you jump at the chance to use the definition used on a Marvel website?

Originally posted by Air Legend
Why the **** is the definition of omniverse being discussed here? Omniverse simply means all reality. Marvel Omniverse simply means all reality of Marvel. Get this definition shit outta here.

It should be that simple, but it doesn't seem to be apparently.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
It should be that simple, but it doesn't seem to be apparently.

I swear, that if they got the chance they would argue about Marvel's way of using levels of infinity too.

Originally posted by Astner
I swear, that if they got the chance they would argue about Marvel's way of using levels of infinity too.
marvel's way of levels of infinity is retarted. On one being has infinite power. The one above all. And only with in the wrealm of Marvel.

Originally posted by fangirl101
marvel's way of levels of infinity is retarted. On one being has infinite power. The one above all. And only with in the wrealm of Marvel.

Hate to say it but ... Told you so :/

There is a theory that suports levels of infinity, Marvel decided to use that as a frame for their own work.
Levels of infinity: Aleph numbers

If you tend to debate regarding the higher tiers of Marvel then you might as well accept it.

Originally posted by Astner
Hate to say it but ... Told you so :/

There is a theory that suports levels of infinity, Marvel decided to use that as a frame for their own work.
Levels of infinity: Aleph numbers

If you tend to debate regarding the higher tiers of Marvel then you might as well accept it.

I already know about the theory of infinite integers. Doesn't matter, there is only one infinite, ALL powerful, every power being. Meaning, there is only one being who has all power, over everything and every concept. yes Eternity may have infinite power over space And Life. And Death may have infinite power over death. But neither are infinitely powerful as they both only have control over certain aspects.

You know, but don't know?

A Celestial is a part of Eternity's infinity.

If Eternity's power is all numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... infinity
And a Celestial is all numbers between 1 and 2 (there's a infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2)
But you could still remove all numbers between 1 and 2 from Eternity's set, and yet you'd have inifnity.
Eternity's inifnity > Celestial's infinity

Originally posted by Astner
You know, but don't know?

A Celestial is a part of Eternity's infinity.

If Eternity's power is all numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... infinity
And a Celestial is all numbers between 1 and 2 (there's a infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2)
But you could still remove all numbers between 1 and 2 from Eternity's set, and yet you'd have inifnity.
Eternity's inifnity > Celestial's infinity


No. And I'll explain why. If you lay eternity's infinity down on a piece of paper infinitely long and the celestial's infinity down next to it, Eternity and the celestials line's would both be the same length. infinitely long.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So you are unwilling to accept on panel statements about Marvel's omniverse but you jump at the chance to use the definition used on a Marvel website?

So your willing to accept hyperbole? marvel references an omniverse but to this day, i have never seen it stated its thier own....show me

In 2005 they made a hanbook on dimensions,has marvel made an updated book on dimensions?...not an updated book on characters and teams,but an actuall book on dimensions?
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=altuhb2005streetsamuraids2.jpg

I posted the link to this topic, and thats where it should continue..i.m.o

lmao, all im seeing are copouts and insults to try and prove people's OWN oppinions. ms master still hasnt dealth with scans directly showing that thanos was unaware and cops out byt saying that thanos SUBCONCIOUSLY did it, which is unfalsifiable hogwash. it isnt evidenced. he was visibly surpised, and even if he did onconciously, that means that thanos isnt god and not omniscient as omniscience means knowledge of everything and perfect lucidity as a result. furthermore, since mr master and others here like to go by WORDS which make no sense here, then let me play that card. WHY is it that thanos claimed to just destroy a UNIVERSE?????? he didnt say multiverse, megaverse or omniverse, just a UNIVERSE. oh my, how can this be, since the writers are completely clear{according to some insecure idiots here} and state perfectly what is there ON PANEL. why did LT and eternity and infinity die ON panel????? and why was it called the destruction of a UNIVERSE on panel????

also, people seem to be back at the "my infinite is greater than yours tactic here. it doesnt work, no feat shown in comics is actually INFINITE, it is always measureable and feats shud be considered.

my original points on the exact definition and power level of the word hasnt been answered because it CANT be. and for the last time, marvel does NOT have the balls to implement power greater than megaversal and havent shown a SINGLE character from any universe other than marvel. in a world where writers sue each other in the same friggin companies for misrepresenting characeters or storylines they might even have collaberaed on, you really think other comic book companies would avoid suing and cashing in on marvel claiming to have influence over there worlds when infact they keep the mythos of their world distinctly theirs??? i havent seen idiotcy of this level before in a long time, but then again, i havent visited the comic book versus forum in a long time and am reunited with with some of the crybabies who try to be badass online and get the adrenaline rush that they sorely lack in real life as a result of it. good job on that one btw mr. master. your as big of an idiot as ever, now stop wanking to the tunes of your own deluded glort and copy pasting old and done with arguments in your jia esque root of running in circles and actuallt start answering some of the evidence posted .

Originally posted by starlock
So your willing to accept hyperbole? marvel references an omniverse but to this day, i have never seen it stated its thier own....show me

In 2005 they made a hanbook on dimensions,has marvel made an updated book on dimensions?...not an updated book on characters and teams,but an actuall book on dimensions?
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=altuhb2005streetsamuraids2.jpg

I posted the link to this topic, and thats where it should continue..i.m.o

I'm willing to accept what has been written on panel several times over what is written on a website or handbook. Until you can show me ON PANEL proof that Marvel is only a multiverse and not an omniverse, then there's no point in continuing this.

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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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There we have Marvel's 2007-8 (BIO) definition of the Omniverse and TOAA!

Hmm ....

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Btw. On Panel evidence agrees 100% with this bio concerning Marvel's Omniverse:

"Reality ... Brian came to realize the size and breadth of Reality,
he learned of the Omniverse and its unending alternatives,
Alternative Realities ...
the Omniverse is the collection of All those possibilities"

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And On Panel the Marvel Omniverse is also ARTISTICALLY depicted in Marvel comics:

(many times ... this is one)

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Exiles (May 2008)

It seems in May 2008 these insane writers of the Exiles
(amongst others like X-Men, Quasar, Earth X, Infinity Abyss, Avengers, FF and Marvel Handbooks)
still think there's a Marvel Omniverse:

"Some heroes protect cities, some countries, some Worlds,
but who's looking out for the ENITRE Omniverse
? ...

... One band of heroes shouldered the weight of ALL Possible UniverseS"

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Meh, it's probably just talk.

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Until we see an artistic representation On Panel of the Omniverse they're taling about,
the Omniverse they transcend and protect on the very next page: (same issue May 2008)

"Behold Crosstime ... perhaps more properly known as the Omniverse.

An Infinite number of conceptual Alternatives for All the Worlds of Creation,
we're LOOKING at the variations of SOL III, (Earth-616) better known as the planet Earth,
from this perspective, THIS World looks very much like our own"

Hey look at that,
I guess there are variations of Earth 616 in DC too ey? 😆

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And this Marvel Bio corroborates that,
literally stating that Marvel's numerical system for realities,
directly applies to the Omniverse:

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(Late 2007)

Core Continuum Designation

"Numerical identification given to each Earth in the Omniverse"

Here are a few examples of Marvel's Core Continuum DesignationS:

"Crooked World - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-238"

"2020 - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-8410"

"Earth A - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-721"

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Originally posted by celestialdemon

I'm willing to accept what has been written on panel several times over what is written on a website or handbook. Until you can show me ON PANEL proof that Marvel is only a multiverse and not an omniverse, then there's no point in continuing this.


👆

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Exiles (2008) ... yet ANOTHER artistic illustration of Marvel's Omniverse!

"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

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😎

definition of omniverse in physics with definiton of multiverse and universe. references to the end of infinity and oddly enough a reference to marvel and DC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniverse

definition of marvel realities multiverse omniverse etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29

lmao, pay SPECIAL attention to THIS part

The 21st century edition of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe[citation needed] posits the term Megaverse[citation needed] """"""""""(although Marvel does not actually endorse the use of this term because of Trademark issues[citation needed])""""""""""""" as the name for this larger grouping, though there is always the chance that some future publications will increase the interactions between different Multiverses, this is a fluid definition.

the meaning of omniverse

The omniverse is the collection of every single universe, multiverse, dimension (alternate or pocket) and realm[4]. This includes not only Marvel Comics, but also DC Comics, Image, Dark Horse, Archie, Harvey, and every universe ever mentioned or seen (and an infinite amount never mentioned or seen) including our own world. Everything is in the Omniverse, and there is only one Omniverse. According to the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Alternate Universes, "It includes every single literary, television show, movie, urban legend, universe, realm, etc. ever. It includes everyone from Popeye to Rocky Balboa to Ronald Reagan to Romeo and Juliet to Luke Skywalker to Snoopy to Jay and Silent Bob, Mickey Mouse, etc."

you will also notice if you go to individual CHARACTER profiles that the bio contains varying and contradicting terms of power{ LT having multiversal, omniversal but then less than UNIVERSAL power against thanos} which is a direct reference to the idiocy and uncoordinated efforts of overly poetic writers. just sumthing for all those who are parading around thinking that their single definition of power is enough to completely describe a character. marvel is hypoerbole and self contradiction, simple as that. lucifer wins.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

definition of omniverse in physics with definiton of multiverse and universe. references to the end of infinity and oddly enough a reference to marvel and DC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniverse

definition of marvel realities multiverse omniverse etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29

lmao, pay SPECIAL attention to THIS part
the meaning of omniverse
you will also notice if you go to individual CHARACTER profiles that the bio contains varying and contradicting terms of power{ LT having multiversal, omniversal but then less than UNIVERSAL power against thanos} which is a direct reference to the idiocy and uncoordinated efforts of overly poetic writers. just sumthing for all those who are parading around thinking that their single definition of power is enough to completely describe a character. marvel is hypoerbole and self contradiction, simple as that. lucifer wins.


So, you're under the impression that,

Wikipedia >>> Marvel on panel illustrated depictions, confirmed in official Marvel HandbookS?

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SEE! .. ON PANEL:

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Earth X Trilogy - (2000)

"The Omniverse"

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Exiles - (Mid 2007)

"I offer the Omniverse"

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Again, stop smokin dogs. stoned

^stop riding yourself and answer the damned queries dumass.

{btw, it was also ON PANEL that thanos destroyed the UNIVERSE. marvel is an ON panel contradiction moron thats the POINT every1 has been trying to get across the crap in your head}