Originally posted by Dark-JaxxOther than embodying a Multiverse Quintillions of times larger
and more powerful than the Prime Marvelverse? And creating said verse?
It's not quintillions,
but rather Septillions. (that's an additional 6 zeroes) 😂
There's roughly around 25 Septillion drops of water in the Ocean.
According to Jim Shooter's (writer/creator of Secret Wars/Beyonder)
the infinite Marvel Reality was a drop of water,
the Beyond Realm was an Ocean.
Really, there's no need for numbers,
for that right there in itself is outstanding, extraordinary.
TOAA/god depends on the writer/artist and above all editor in-chief.
During Beyonder's reign,
Beyonder was the representative avatar of the writer/editor in-chief Jim Shooter,
in fact, Beyonder, according to Shooter himself, was really above even his avatar,
senseless as that is, that's how far the exaggeration of his power became.
Again, that's why the forced retcon came into play.
So what does this lead to?
TOAA/god is the Supreme being now.
According to Jim Shooter the WRITER/EDITOR in-Chief of all Marvel,
Beyonder was a GOD unto himself, in his own Reality,
and the entire infinite Marvel reality was like a drop of water to his ocean of a reality.
When Beyonder was around, he was the "Supreme being"
that came from another universe where he was also the Supreme being,
yes, he came to the Marvel Universe, took over, and became Reality. (Supreme being)
Beyonder withIN the Marvel Reality:
"The Mightiest beings are microbes to me"
"Reality isn't real to me! Eveything is what I say it is"
"My imagination and reality are virtually indistinguishable"
"All Existence, except for me, might as well be a figment of my imagination"
"I who utterly dictate All Reality"
"As long as I conceive of things, they exist, in a fashion,
because my thoughts equal Reality"
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxWhat makes you say Beyonder is an actual supreme being?
I value opinions/interpretations.
How would you define this?
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The Beyonder between 1984 and 1986,
was everything outside the Marvel Multiverse, (Infinite Beyond)
was GOD before Genesis, (a Supreme Being)
and in comparison with the entire Marvel Reality the Beyond Realm was like an Ocean,
while the entire Marvel Reality was like a drop of water.
Writer's own words! ^^^ ✅
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Jim Shooter - creator/writer of Secret Wars/Beyonder
(while he was Editor in chief of Marvel)
Get's interviewed ... about the Beyonder.
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Marvel Age is an official Marvel title, created to strictly discuss Marvel stories,
and other intricacies concerning Marvel comics.
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Jim Shooter himself describes Classic Beyonder to us:
Jim states:
1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."
2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."
3. Beyonder's discovery of our Universe ... (Marvel Multiverse)
.... was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...
.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "
"We introduced the Beyonder
and established
that he was studying these beings - us - he had discovered"
Originally posted by llagrokI'd tend to agree.
You're reading waaaaaaaaay too much into a simple statement :/I'm sure it's much bigger, but trying to do the math on a drop of water is just stupid. I don't think that statement was an exact calculation.
To think a writer meant for the readers to assume the Beyond realm was a kajillion badillion (or whatever) times bigger than the 616 - is a bit much.
It's not an assumption though, it was written in plain english:
"A Universe to which OUR OWN is as a droplet of Water to the Ocean"
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Not taking it seriously or dismissing it for any reason is up to the individual,
but it's a fact, and there's no argument to counter it.
BTW. "OUR OWN" Universe is the infinite Prime Multiverse. (Yes, all of Marvel in 85'😉
Originally posted by Galan007
I'd tend to agree.To think a writer meant for the readers to assume the Beyond realm was a kajillion badillion (or whatever) times bigger than the 616 - is a bit much.
The author made the analogy to effectively show the Marvelverse was NOTHING compared to the Beyonder's dominion.
