Classic Beyonder vs Lucifer

Originally posted by leonheartmm
then they are using the wrong definition since omniverse by definition includes all realities outside marvel too. the fact that roma has nothing to do with any other companies is fact enough to prove that she isnt an OMNIVERSAL guardian at all, otherwise its impossible to not have sway on other companies. it simply means that marvel uses wrong and misleading terms. that is how i explain it. i have no problem calling a multiverse and omniverse as long as the OPPOSITION accepts that we are referring to the same thing by different names and dont start making silly arguments which put the feat of LT holding to megaverses{according to marvel's definition} as anything greater than any other being holding two universes in another publisher's reality.

"Omniverse" isn't even an official word. A Marvel writer created the term to use as he saw fit. Now you're saying Marvel doesn't have the right to use it how they see fit? 😆 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by celestialdemon

"Omniverse" isn't even an official word. A Marvel writer created the term to use as he saw fit. Now you're saying Marvel doesn't have the right to use it how they see fit? 😆

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That future-self of Galactus 616 in the Black Celestial arc,
was an OMNIVERSAL threat,
not just a threat in fact,
indeed,
Galactus was beginning the process of absorbing the Omniverse entire:

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These scans are from Avengers v1. #296 - 297

The beginning of the whole Black Celestial drama.
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Where Galactus was being prepped to begin absorbing the ENTIRE OMNIVERSE,

and the EDITOR of this arc was MARK GRUENWALD ...

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"Celestial renegade (Taimut) constructed a weapon (Galactus)
mighty enough to threaten the ENTIRE Space-Time structure of the OMNIVERSE"

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Nebula had control of some avengers and was planning on taking Galactus' power:

"I have learned about the great weapon (Galactus) in Time"

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MAKE NO MISTAKE!

The weapon is Galactus! (FF#341)

"Galactus Himself is the WEAPON"

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A mini artistic depiction of the actual OMNIVERSE:

"Suffice to say that the weapon is Supreme (Galactus)
the OMNIVERSE is vast beyond imagining"

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(Notice at the bottom of the scan, who the EDITOR is)

"The greatest weapon (Galactus) in the OMNIVERSE is nearly mine"

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Is MARK GRUENWALD (the Editor) allowing hyperbole? ermmno

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This (FF#337-341) is from the actual continuation of the arc above:

Galactus was in the process of absorbing "ALL EXISTENCE"

"Galactus who's busy wolfin' (eating) down ALL of TIME and SPACE"

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"The time will come soon when ALL the Energy in the UNIVERSE,
through out it's HISTORY will NOT be SUFFICIENT to feed him"

The History of the Marvel Universe ... as in the expanded OMNIVERSE!!!

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Galactus was in the process of absorbing "ALL EXISTENCE" (Omniverse)

Confirmed by the Guardians of the Galaxy in yet another separate arc:

RESPECT Galactus yall! (evidently a potential Omniversal power) [/B]

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^ so the great OMNIVERSAL guardian was done in by the death of a UNIVERSE{as said by jim starlin}. lmao, your destroying your argument by your own hands little man!

omniverse is a real word used in physics, only MEGAVERSE is actually a non scientific term. multiverse is also a scientific term.

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Thanos became One with the entire Marvel Universe: (Omniverse)

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"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"

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And it was "Omni-Reality" as in all other UniverseS included:

The PROOF:

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"I was a grain of sand in a Distant Future"

Thanos was connected to other TimelineS (UniverseS) evidently.

This is further proof Thanos is talking about everything ... as in "Everything"

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"I was Everything"

Ain't that the truth.

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MORE PROOF .. The END: Marvel took place across UniverseS!

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Here Doom sees himself (from another Timeline/Universe)
caught and trapped by Akhenaten:

It's another Timeline/Universe,
cause the same Doom can't occupy two separate Realities.

"And I, apparently captured at some point in my own not-so-distant Future"

"Akhenaten's one fear and weakness ... His Past ...

(or Another Timeline/Universe) the Time before he gained the power"

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Doom uses his Time Machine to reach the Timeline Aknehaten is from (4321)

"I depart the Present (616) and return to when Aknehaten was but a mere Mortal"

(in reality 4321 which is a Past Timeline of the 616 Reality)

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Here Akhenaten guards his mortal form in Reality 4321 (a Past Timeline of 616)

"Did you believe I would leave my Past unguarded"

"And so History continued unchanged, under the watchful eye of it's dark guardian"

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Here Akhenaten himself states,
that the Celestial Order,
ventured into different Realities/Timelines to find him and others:

"Through Time and Space they searched for their chosen few"

If the Celestial Order was crossing Time & Space,

then they were visiting Timelines, which are Realities/Universes of their own.

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Here Vishnu states that Aknehaten originated from the PAST of 616:

"Lord Horus arrives late to a meet concerning dire peril emanating from Ancient Egypt"

"Ancient Egypt" is still in existence in some Timeline.

Can anyone say the 4321 Universe?

Marvel can:

1334 BC. = Earth-4321 Reality

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The nail in the coffin!

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Here we have Zeus summoning the rest of the Pantheons from other Timelines,

Like Horus:

"Tis also THIER Universe (like 4321) that be imperiled"

And Thanos says,

"meanwhile Doctor Doom was also having HIS Universe (616) badly shaken"

swank

1.

(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - Eternity

"Thanos claimed the Power of THOTI,

Eternity opposed Thanos once more,

Thanos destroyed ALL of Reality"

2.

(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - Living Tribunal

"Thanos destroyed ALL that Existed with his power ...
and then Restored Reality"

3.

(This is from the actual Marvel Handbook Bio 2006) - Infinity

"Thanos used THOTI to destroy All Reality"

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Notice that none of the Bios mention (1 - or - O-N-E - or - A) Universe.

What it does clearly state is:

"Thanos destroyed ALL of Reality"

"Thanos destroyed ALL that Existed"

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1. Omniverse

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

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And Jim Starlin agrees ... it was the ENTIRE Marvel Universe!

(creator/writer of Thanos and the End: Marvel)

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From Comicon:

Another Jim Starlin interview:

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382

"Thanos and the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten compete for the ultimate power"

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"Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe
it ought to be the real thing"

see how you had to add OMNIVERSE in brackets in front of the actual ON PANEL statement which said "UNIVERSE" and your own sources having the AUTHIR say marvel UNIVERSE? lmao, quoting your own words "your own oppinion means nothing, in opposition to on panel feats" both on panel and through the mouth of the CREATOR{a higher authority} the reality has been described as NOTHING other than a UNIVERSE. therefore, thanos destroyed a UNIVERSE on panel and LT died by the destruction of a UNIVERSE on panel. case closed, that is ALL the comic and the creater say. dont try to weasel your way out of your own trap dumass.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

see how you had to add OMNIVERSE in brackets in front of the actual ON PANEL statement which said "UNIVERSE" and your own sources having the AUTHIR say marvel UNIVERSE? lmao, quoting your own words "your own oppinion means nothing, in opposition to on panel feats" both on panel and through the mouth of the CREATOR{a higher authority} the reality has been described as NOTHING other than a UNIVERSE.

I never added anything, the Writer clearly said, OMNI-REALITY!

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Thanos became One with the entire Marvel Universe: (Omniverse)

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"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"

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The ENTIRE Marvel Universe! ... which is an Omniverse!

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Jim Starlin interview:

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382

"Thanos and the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten compete for the ultimate power"

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"Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe
it ought to be the real thing"

Originally posted by leonheartmm

therefore, thanos destroyed a UNIVERSE on panel and LT died by the destruction of a UNIVERSE on panel. case closed, that is ALL the comic and the creater say.

dont try to weasel your way out of your own trap dumass.

You got balls calling me dumbass,
I wonder if you have any idea where you stand after the last few days.

lmao, says the person who stands nowhere. again i fail to see any mention of a mulitverse, megaverse or omniverse. omniREALITY is not omniVERSE. they are different words. dont try to confuse people idiot. on panel it says UNIverse, and no OTHER "VERSE". the creater calls it UNIverse. hence you=liar. i find it funny how you put OMNIVERSE in brackets in front of UNIVERSE again when it wasnt there on panel. keep at it, this is doing wonders for your credibility.
and for the last friggin time, marvel UNIverse and marvel OMNIverse are two different things. your argument is so alien and baseless that you actually have to try and make people beleive that universe and omniverse are the same thing! puhlease. on panel facts trump your sorry ass.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, says the person who stands nowhere. again i fail to see any mention of a mulitverse, megaverse or omniverse. omniREALITY is not omniVERSE. they are different words. [b]dont try to confuse people idiot. on panel it says UNIverse, and no OTHER "VERSE". the creater calls it UNIverse. hence you=liar. i find it funny how you put OMNIVERSE in brackets in front of UNIVERSE again when it wasnt there on panel. keep at it, this is doing wonders for your credibility.
and for the last friggin time, marvel UNIverse and marvel OMNIverse are two different things. your argument is so alien and baseless that you actually have to try and make people beleive that universe and omniverse are the same thing! puhlease. on panel facts trump your sorry ass. [/B]

So fallacies, to lies, to just spewing meaningless poppycock?

Cool.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, says the person who stands nowhere. again i fail to see any mention of a mulitverse, megaverse or omniverse. omniREALITY is not omniVERSE. they are different words. dont try to confuse people idiot. on panel it says UNIverse, and no OTHER "VERSE". the creater calls it UNIverse. hence you=liar. i find it funny how you put OMNIVERSE in brackets in front of UNIVERSE again when it wasnt there on panel. keep at it, this is doing wonders for your credibility.
and for the last friggin time, marvel UNIverse and marvel OMNIverse are two different things. your argument is so alien and baseless that you actually have to try and make people beleive that universe and omniverse are the same thing! puhlease. on panel facts trump your sorry ass.

Wait, so the LT wasn't referring to the universe in this scene?

Originally posted by Mr Master
durznuts

So fallacies, to lies, to just spewing meaningless poppycock?

Cool.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, says the person who stands nowhere. again i fail to see any mention of a mulitverse, megaverse or omniverse. omniREALITY is not omniVERSE. they are different words. dont try to confuse people idiot. on panel it says UNIverse, and no OTHER "VERSE". the creater calls it UNIverse. hence you=liar. i find it funny how you put OMNIVERSE in brackets in front of UNIVERSE again when it wasnt there on panel. keep at it, this is doing wonders for your credibility.
and for the last friggin time, marvel UNIverse and marvel OMNIverse are two different things. your argument is so alien and baseless that you actually have to try and make people beleive that universe and omniverse are the same thing! puhlease. on panel facts trump your sorry ass.

im still waiting for scans that show on panel the mention of anything other than a UNIverse. go on, im right here.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Wait, so the LT wasn't referring to the universe in this scene?

i dont get your point? the scan is of warlock with the IG against LT. if your referring to there being no contradiction, then there is. supposedly LT is the multiversal{and in the words of mr. master, the OMNIVERSAL guardian} and since master brings up ON panel statement so much as trumping anything else, i thought he cud use a bit of his own medicine, seeing as in the entire the end, the destruction's context was alway stated to be a UNIverse even the creater said so. so here we have on panel evidence for LT losing to the destruction of a UNIverse. tsk tsk tsk. this just impresses my previous points of the necessity for using proper definitions which you dont seem to agree with.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

supposedly LT is the multiversal{and in the words of mr. master, the OMNIVERSAL guardian} and since master brings up ON panel statement so much as trumping anything else, i thought he cud use a bit of his own medicine, seeing as in the entire the end, the destruction's context was alway stated to be a UNIverse even the creater said so. so here we have on panel evidence for LT losing to the destruction of a UNIverse. tsk tsk tsk. this just impresses my previous points of the necessity for using proper definitions which you dont seem to agree with.

^and again you fail to come up with a scan with on panel evidence. WHY am i not surprised silly man?????

My point is you stating omnireality isn't the same as omniverse. If you actually read Marvel comics, you would know that universe and reality are often interchangeable.