Classic Beyonder vs Lucifer

Originally posted by GN.
That isent greater. Beyonder TANKED while not even expecting the strongest attacks of the Monecule Man, a being STRONGER then LT. Only his clothes where a little damaged. The Monecule Man a being FAR weaker then the Beyonder fixed multiversial damage with a finger flick while just talking. And show me a scan of the multiversial explosion/creating multiverses.

You will have to come with something better then that.

neither LT nor molecule man have ever created or destroyed a multiverse. nor have they ever claimed to be able to do so. hence they are weaker than lucifer. dont worry, ill give you the scan of the dmiurgic explosion if you really dont beleive it happened.

i did 😄 , but you didnt comment.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
neither LT nor molecule man have ever created or destroyed a multiverse. nor have they ever claimed to be able to do so. hence they are weaker than lucifer. dont worry, ill give you the scan of the dmiurgic explosion if you really dont beleive it happened.

i did 😄 , but you didnt comment.

Beyonder did multiversial damage by accident by just a emotion, anger. Monecule man fixed it with a finger flip. Prove me Lucifer could survive distruction of time itself. And Beyonder claimed to just EREASE whole the marverl verse just not destroy it. I said it before but you just ignore it.

Ask me for scans if you dont believe me. Since unlike YOU i can provide them to prove my points. Still waiting for the scans i asked pages ago.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
neither LT nor molecule man have ever created or destroyed a multiverse. nor have they ever claimed to be able to do so. hence they are weaker than lucifer. dont worry, ill give you the scan of the dmiurgic explosion if you really dont beleive it happened.

i did 😄 , but you didnt comment.

interesting scan indeed

Originally posted by leonheartmm

TOAA is a THEORISED entity in marvel never seen.
no such entity exists INSIDE comics for sure{any comics}

TOAA is not a theory, TOAA is reference by name by the Living Tribunal on panel.

TOAA appeared in FF# 511,
TOAA and his collaborator are representative avatars of the writers/artists of Marvel.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

and neither the heart of the universe nor the beyonder
have power comparing to true omnipotence.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=477644&pagenumber=2

here you go, start near the end of the third post and work your way down on how lucifer creates his multiverse.{he calls it a universe as is often the case in comics for simplicity but explains later in lucifer NIRVANA that what he created was indeed "a totality, a multiverse" and mazikeen later explains that it is just a difference of MAGNITUDE and hence the phrase.

and btw MAYBE YOU MISSED IT, but i posted a link back right after you asked me for the scans to photobuicket where i put up ALL of the scans you asked for, you just didnt check it out fool!

oh and btw, time doesnt exist in the void, nor does space or any other concept. and you can see clearly in these scans that lucifer CREATES time. this shud put the debate to rest with you hopefully.

http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/leonheartmm/

here you go GN, the scans you asked for, i posted them a while back but you probably didnt see the link or sumthing. check em out.

also,. mr master, put old bitternesss aside. please you can be annoying when bitter. plus, all LT REALLY said was that his power came from ON HIGH. thats it. toaa was explained by eternity to reed richards to be the writer who perceives the entire marvel reality to be just paper where he DRAWS things on, saying that it is indeed enither the writer or stan lee/jack kirby.

So creating a multiverse will make him win this fight now? 😆
The Beyonder IS a multiverse bigger then Marvel. I concede on the time but not on the other points.

wow, so youve abandoned all your previous argument and greiviences with me{probably havent read the pages i posted which YOU yourself demanded given the quick time you replied in} and come straight dow to ridicule which isnt even funny????

no having the power to create a multiverse and having the power to survive the destruction of multiverse shattering events and infintie will and the power to create vague concepts from nothing and the lightbringer powers whcih burn anything in existance or outside it and a mind smarter than any other will help him win the fight . or maybe, all that is worth nothing against your sarcasm 😛 .

and just so you know, the words MULTIVERSE BIGGER THAN MULTIVERSE means nothing really since a multiverse is a multiverse and there is no way ofcomparin which one is larger, marvel or vertigo. also the beyonder is a REALM as far as i remember. and he is IN marvel since he is written by marvel. he is inside the marvel MEGAVERSE.

and again you didnt comment on the scan i posted of the beyonder

Originally posted by leonheartmm

neither LT nor molecule man have ever created or destroyed a multiverse.
nor have they ever claimed to be able to do so.
hence they are weaker than lucifer.

The LT held the power of TWO MegaverseS in one hand like toys.

simultaneously,
the LT spins the destiny of the entire Marvel Omniverse in the other hand.

It's not in LT's character to create universes or multiverses,
that's not what he does, and if you knew anything about him, you'd know.

Molecule Man was more powerful than the LT, nuff said.

On Panel and confiurmed in Marvel Handbooks.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

dont worry,
ill give you the scan of the dmiurgic explosion if you really dont beleive it happened.

That's like, Infinity mnultiplied quintillions of times. 😱

Originally posted by leonheartmm

i did, but you didnt comment.

😆

Reed asked Beyonder, can even you survive the destruction of time?

Beyonder never says yes, or no, or maybe.

Beyonder NEVER even alludes to it being able to affect him.

In fact,

Beyonder said, "I do Not know"

Nice try on the carefully cropped scan, that leaves out Beyonder's response. 🙂

Originally posted by leonheartmm
wow, so youve abandoned all your previous argument and greiviences with me{probably havent read the pages i posted which YOU yourself demanded given the quick time you replied in} and come straight dow to ridicule which isnt even funny????

no having the power to create a multiverse and having the power to survive the destruction of multiverse shattering events and infintie will and the power to create vague concepts from nothing and the lightbringer powers whcih burn anything in existance or outside it and a mind smarter than any other will help him win the fight . or maybe, all that is worth nothing against your sarcasm 😛 .

Beyonder multiverse > Lucifers multiverse. Since its part of DC its smaller unless you prove it's huger then Marvels. Beyonder tanked everything of a being stronger then LT and only got his clothes damaged. MJJ a being weaker then LT could do omniversial destruction.

Beyonder can create and delete vague concepts to. As death itself.

Those feats are nothing compared to the Beyonder. Now prove he has even greater feats or you can just concede.

Tenchi verse is a multiverse and it has only 7 universes.

edit

^first off, you have to be pretty thick not to get the cue that it ALLUDES to him destroying himsefl when he creates the time paradox. secondly, that statement of commenting was directed towards GN not YOU{but i see how bitterness is driving you to jump at oppurtunities at encounters now, well done}. thirdly, your initial claim was, if i remember correctly, that LT was holding two OMNIVERSES. but i see that you realised the idiotic natureof that claim and made them MEGAVERSES, which still isnt much better since one comic book reality can only have one megaverse.

please lets not get into this old game of yours again, marvel and the marvel handbook is diving in hyperbole here as it has no legal rights to more than one megaverse. marvel changes its definitions and throws terms in your face like nuthing interchanging between 616 universe and 616 omniverse in seconds . these shud be looked at from the accepted definitions of other comic book companies. even if you go to wikipedia and click on omniverse or marvel omniverse in a marvel article, it redirects you to multiverse or megaverse, simply because marvel wasnt using the generally accepted terms then and hyperboling. the LT was holding two UNIVERSES in its hand. that is it, and taht ia all it will ever be.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

mr master, put old bitternesss aside. please you can be annoying when bitter.

Stay on topic.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

plus, all LT REALLY said was that his power came from ON HIGH.

thats it.

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LT himself mentions TOAA's name on panel:

"May The One Above All forgive you"

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🙂

Originally posted by leonheartmm

toaa was explained by eternity to reed richards to be the writer who perceives the entire marvel reality to be just paper where he DRAWS things on,
saying that it is indeed enither the writer or stan lee/jack kirby.

Where is this stated and/or depicted?

Originally posted by GN.
Beyonder multiverse > Lucifers multiverse. Since its part of DC its smaller unless you prove it's huger then Marvels. Beyonder tanked everything of a being stronger then LT and only got his clothes damaged. MJJ a being weaker then LT could do omniversial destruction.

Beyonder can create and delete vague concepts to. As death itself.

Those feats are nothing compared to the Beyonder. Now prove he has even greater feats or you can just concede.

Tenchi verse is a multiverse and it has only 7 universes.

wow, copout. your making unfalsifyable claims and telling me to prove negetives. sorry buddy, that is bad debating tactics. you have to PROVE first that there is a difference in size between byonder's multiverse{which btw was a REALM} and lucifers, before i am given the burden of evidence to DISPROVE IT. mjj cud not do omniveral damage. please understand when marvel is indulgin in hyperbole. read my above post, NO comic book reality can be more than a megaverse. marvel has no copyright for the OMNIVERSE. its just writers being stupid and throwing around terms. omniverse = EVERYTHING all comic book relaities/tv show/our unievrse etc etc EVERYTHING. and it ONLY comes into play when amalgams happen between companies in comics. MJJ was multiversal in threat. taht is all.

im not saying beyonder cundnt delet the UNIVERSAL death. but lucifer can destroy the near MEGAVERSAL endless, death. it is different in vertigo. and as i said, neither molecule man nor LT have created or destrooyed a multiverse. they are both weaker than lucifer.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Gibberish.

Stay on topic.

Really?

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LT himself mentions TOAA's name on panel:

"May The One Above All forgive you"

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🙂

Really?

Where is this stated and/or depicted?

wow ive hit a nerve.

srry, id never seen that scan of LT, my bad 😄 . but TOAA has still never been seen.

for the last part, i saw the scans from the graphic novel right nere on kmc actually. its called the cosmic bunny{cause its eternity shaped like a bunny}. i only have one scan right now and it doesnt show the writer tracing out the artwork but its here rest assured. i also beleive it was mentioned on wikipedia in TOAA i think.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

first off, you have to be pretty thick not to get the cue that it ALLUDES to him destroying himsefl when he creates the time paradox.

Originally posted by Mr Master

😆

Reed asked Beyonder, can even you survive the destruction of time?

Beyonder never says yes, or no, or maybe.

Beyonder NEVER even alludes to it being able to affect him.

In fact,

Beyonder said, "I do Not know"

Nice try on the carefully cropped scan,

that leaves out Beyonder's response to Reed. 🙂

Originally posted by leonheartmm

secondly, that statement of commenting was directed towards GN not YOU
{but i see how bitterness is driving you to jump at oppurtunities at encounters now, well done}.

This is an open thread, I can respond to any post I wish.

You're pumping ridiculous claims about Beyonder and the LT,
I gotta clear things up
so innocent onlookers won't be swayed by all that unsupported outlandishness.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

thirdly, your initial claim was, if i remember correctly,
that LT was holding two OMNIVERSES.
but i see that you realised the idiotic natureof that claim and made them MEGAVERSES,
which still isnt much better since one comic book reality can only have one megaverse.

I never claimed the LT held two OmniverseS,
you're a LIAR homie.

I challenge you find a post of EVER saying that.

The LT ON PANEl held the power of TWO MegaverseS,
this FACT was confirmed in LT's official Handbook bio.

Each Megaverse is a collection of MultiverseS according to Marvel.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

please lets not get into this old game of yours again,
marvel and the marvel handbook is diving in hyperbole here
as it has no legal rights to more than one megaverse.
marvel changes its definitions and throws terms in your face like nuthing interchanging between 616 universe and 616 omniverse in seconds . these shud be looked at from the accepted definitions of other comic book companies. even if you go to wikipedia and click on omniverse or marvel omniverse in a marvel article, it redirects you to multiverse or megaverse, simply because marvel wasnt using the generally accepted terms then and hyperboling.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

the LT was holding two UNIVERSES in its hand.
that is it, and taht ia all it will ever be.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
it gives insight that the only thing more supreme than yahweh are the writers{the forces tha gave birth to yahweh} .

and yahweh himself says that lucifer surpassed his FUNCTION which is WHY yahweh is so interested in him.

Ok. Your first remark is nullified by your second statement, because your second statement implies that Lucifer is also more powerful than Yahweh. Anyways...

What in the fallacious and word-twisting interpretation of the events that occurred?!?

First of all, Yahweh never said Lucifer surpassed his own function. This is what actually happened on panel.

Lucifer: Was this my function, then?

Yahweh: You escaped your function. That's exactly why I want to know you better.

What is Lucifer talking about when he says "function"?

This:

What does Yahweh mean when he says Lucifer escaped his function? Yahweh means that Lucifer escaped the (Yahweh's) plan. He doesn't mean that Lucifer surpassed the boundaries of omnipotence. That's a straight up comedic and illogical extrapolation.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

for the last part,
i saw the scans from the graphic novel right nere on kmc actually.
its called the cosmic bunny{cause its eternity shaped like a bunny}.

i only have one scan right now and it doesnt show the writer tracing out the artwork

but its here rest assured.

That isn't any "cosmic bunny" btw.

That's the Alien Entity from FF#530-532.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with what you're talking about
involving "writers tracing out artwork"
or the "cosmic bunny" telling Reed anything about any such thing.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

i also beleive it was mentioned on wikipedia in TOAA i think.

😆 @ LT not being able to destroy a multiverse.

Beyonder's realm was a multiverse. Just ask for scans if you dont believe me.

And MULTIVERSIAL death not universial.

Originally posted by GN.
😆 @ LT not being able to destroy a multiverse.

Beyonder's realm was a multiverse. Just ask for scans if you dont believe me.

And MULTIVERSIAL death not universial.

I don't know how bad homeboy is mucking up DC/facts up in here.

But his Marvel knowledge is disastrous,
and it makes me chuckle how he has the balls to insult me, and what I know,
while posting fallacies concerning the reasoning behind his insults.

Hilarious. 😂