Classic Beyonder vs Lucifer

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Beyonder's top feat

Creating from nothingness ... the Beyond Realm
(a Reality quintillions of times more infinite, than the infinite prime Multiverse)

"A Universe to which OUR OWN is as a droplet of Water to the Ocean"

=== note ===

There are roughly around 20-25 Quintillion drops of Water in the Ocean,
according to the Mathematical Biosciences Intitute in 2005
and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

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"OUR OWN" Universe ... is the infinite prime Multiverse:

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"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"

"Namely that it is Many-Layered

composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,

indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"

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And now .. On Panel!

Beyonder's top feat

Creating from nothingness ... the Beyond Realm
(a Reality quintillions of times more infinite, than the infinite prime Multiverse)

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Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING the INFINITE Beyond:

"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planets ... LIFE Arises"

"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND"

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"Evolves and Flourishes Within the New Universe,
BEGAT (brought into existence) by Beyonder's Power"

"Mortal Beings giving meaning to the INFINITY in which they dwell"

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swank

Btw. This infinity is actually an uberdiculous Multiverse:

"Beyonder, the entity that embodied all the substance of Another Multiverse"

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Just like Writer/Editor in-Chief, Jim Shooter stated in his interview. 🙂

"sighs" you are quite good at that lol.

doesn't change the fact that the beyonder never fought the LT.

The LT didn't wield the authority that he now wields.

That The one above is mightier than the beyonder. So that would mean, If The Lt was told by the one above all to stop the classic beyonder from taking over his omniverse, he would have to.

The beyonder's crib, is now the omniverse which the Lt currently presides over. Your honor the LT.

Mr. M, simply show him the interview where Starlin states that Beyonder was liek God before the Genesis.

Originally posted by Air Legend
Dude, I own the entire Lucifer series. Don't patronize me with me with your petty statements.

That's one claim from Lucifer in a standalone story vs the multitude of statements from other characters, the narrator, and Lucifer himself in the main series that directly prove that Lucifer created a universe, an unfinished universe at that, and nothing more.

excuse me, lucifer nirvana is cannon and in continuity. it was written by mike carey who has written EVERY OTHER LUCIFER COMIC in the normal series. so how can you claim that it is a standalone story. it introduces the silkman who becomes a significant enough part of the series near the end. and lucifer's universe was not unfinished, what the devil makes you say that? it was the same as yahweh's. also, even in yahweh's "universe" near the mansions of silence, there are other CREATIONs in the form of mirrors which are entire universes themselves where alternate cal comes from proving that it was infact a multiverse as was lucifer's.

as for mr. master, tell me, how do you compare infinity to infinity????? what impartial standpoint will you judge the two by, in response to everything you have posted{and my points on word conventions still remain}

Originally posted by Astner
Mr. M, simply show him the interview where Starlin states that Beyonder was liek God before the Genesis.

He already posted it.

Do people ever take the time to read through previous pages? I mean damn.

Originally posted by Astner
Mr. M, simply show him the interview where Starlin states that Beyonder was liek God before the Genesis.

Beyonder was NOTHING like God before genesis. God didn't discover someone elses multiverse. God made everything. God was not a dummy. God knew the beginning and ends of time at the same time. God knew what death was for. He created it. He wouldn't kill it. God did not self discover. He simply is. Starlin's interview means nothing to me with the beyonder doing so many things that are Un Supreme being like.

Originally posted by Air Legend
He already posted it.

Do people ever take the time to read through previous pages? I mean damn.

Originally posted by Air Legend
He already posted it.

Do people ever take the time to read through previous pages? I mean damn.

Yea, evidence is boring, who needs it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Beyonder was NOTHING like God before genesis. God didn't discover someone elses multiverse. God made everything. God was not a dummy. God knew the beginning and ends of time at the same time. God knew what death was for. He created it. He wouldn't kill it. God did not self discover. He simply is. Starlin's interview means nothing to me with the beyonder doing so many things that are Un Supreme being like.

Well if you simply want to ignore on panel evidence alongside the writer's statement, I don't there's much of a point in debating with you, now is there? You refuse to accept anything that goes against your preconceived notion or even comes remotely close to proving you wrong.

Sometimes you need to stop acting like a dumbass and admit you're wrong. You'll never admit that you're wrong, that's just how it is.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Beyonder was NOTHING like God before genesis. God didn't discover someone elses multiverse. God made everything. God was not a dummy. God knew the beginning and ends of time at the same time. God knew what death was for. He created it. He wouldn't kill it. God did not self discover. He simply is. Starlin's interview means nothing to me with the beyonder doing so many things that are Un Supreme being like.

😆

Do you actully think your opinion > directly stated by the creator of the character?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
excuse me, lucifer nirvana is cannon and in continuity. it was written by mike carey who has written EVERY OTHER LUCIFER COMIC in the normal series. so how can you claim that it is a standalone story. it introduces the silkman who becomes a significant enough part of the series near the end.

and lucifer's universe was not unfinished, what the devil makes you say that? it was the same as yahweh's. also, even in yahweh's "universe" near the mansions of silence, there are other CREATIONs in the form of mirrors which are entire universes themselves where alternate cal comes from proving that it was infact a multiverse as was lucifer's.

Lucifer Nirvana is a one-shot, standalone story. That's why they have it after the end of the last issue of Lucifer (#75) in last volume, EVENSONG. In other words, it is completely unnecessary for understanding what happened in the main series, thus, a standalone story.

Read Lucifer Morningstar Volume 10 again. Elaine is flying over Lucifer's universe and notices "dimensions left incomplete, and those where initially tiny flaws have grown MONSTROUS."

Originally posted by Air Legend
Lucifer Nirvana is a one-shot, standalone story. That's why they have it after the end of the last issue of Lucifer (#75) in last volume, EVENSONG. In other words, it is completely unnecessary for understanding what happened in the main series, thus, a standalone story.

Read Lucifer Morningstar Volume 10 again. Elaine is flying over Lucifer's universe and notices "dimensions left incomplete, and those where initially tiny flaws have grown MONSTROUS."

but those dimension{seen to be universes} also exist in yahweh's universe. they were the place where hell was made, they were also the place of the mirrors before the mansions of silence. and if i remember correctly, the add for lucifer nirvana was present in an issue of lucifer before issue 50. and it doesnt matter. the story was written by mike carey who wrote everything else in lucifer. so it is cannon and tells that it was a multiverse.

Originally posted by llagrok
Well if you simply want to ignore on panel evidence alongside the writer's statement, I don't there's much of a point in debating with you, now is there? You refuse to accept anything that goes against your preconceived notion or even comes remotely close to proving you wrong.

Sometimes you need to stop acting like a dumbass and admit you're wrong. You'll never admit that you're wrong, that's just how it is.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, evidence is boring, who needs it.

shrug

Carey wrote it AFTER the series, and stated that it was a multiverse.

Sounds like it's a multiverse to me.

Originally posted by Astner
It's quite sad actually. He spend hours scanning, cutting, writing to explain to those who're unaware. And because some people don't chose to read it the first time, he have to redo it.
That requires a huge amount of patience. I'd snap after a few posts.

evidence? no. I disagree. what I'm looking for hasn't been shown. statements that hold no weight what so ever to the current characters. Statements about the Lt in 19freaking 84? OMG. Get real. no amount of insulting or calling names is going to make me see that silly comparison. it's silly. really.

Originally posted by fangirl101
why are you being like that? I'm acting like a dumb ass? OMG. did you not know that most people in the world are not smart. they follow the few. And many times the few are wrong. How in the HELL is The molecule man more powerful than the LT when He has NO feats above the LT's? How is the Beyonder stronger than the LT when the beyonder was only everything outside of the multiverse? everything outside of the multiverse is now the omniverse. Which the Lt presides over. Get over yourself. Get over blind fanboyism. Get over not thinking clearly and use some smarts.

Originally posted by Astner
Stop preaching and read through the facts presented until you understand them.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I read it. Now you THINK.

So to win a debate you have to ignore all facts and make your own crazy theory's? 🙄