wow two flamers with past grudges join up to try and insult me. nice!
why dont you actually try answering the things i posted and backed by evidence and scans as opposed to tryign to insult me. the arguments youve posted have been debunked based on the hyperboling done by marvel which is incorrect since no other comic book company uses or subscribes to it.
it wasnt multi death, it was universal death. i beleive he erased death from the UNIVERSE and unless im much mistaken, that statement was retconned. anyhow, marvelk kept going back and forth between universe and multiver so many times in secret war that im boggled as it is. still doesnt make him stronger than lucifer.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
it wasnt multi death, it was universal death. i beleive he erased death from the UNIVERSE and unless im much mistaken, that statement was retconned. anyhow, marvelk kept going back and forth between universe and multiver so many times in secret war that im boggled as it is. still doesnt make him stronger than lucifer.
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really now, i posted a scan before where it was heavily implied that the beyonder himself wud not survive the destruction of the multiverse. he didnt destroy the multiverse with an emotion for heaven's sake.
also the statement "a multiverse quintillions of time bigger than another multiverse" holds no sway when there is no objective creiteria by which to compare the sizes of the marvel and vertigo multiverses. its just sumthing rather silly which adds confusion to power levels thats all. unless sum1 can compare the sizes of lucifer's multiverse with that of beyonder or marvel, i dont see the point here. also remember that when beyonder died, he created a UNIVERSE from his energy. see the thing here, marvel keeps going back and forth between universe/multiverse/megaverse/omniverse/and even omniversES. so you cant tell when the hell its being serious or when it is hyperboling{although all things above megaversal levels are legally false not to mention logically}.
^read lucifer NIRVANA. mazikeen refers to lucifer's UNIVERSE and lucifer corrects her by saying, "what i created was a TOTALITY, a MULTIVERSE". those are lucifer's words not mine.
as to the image posted by GN, it is directly contradicted by the fact that death amont others was completel helpless and fell like a fly against the infinite gauntlett in posession of thanos. which was just a universal power. again, it is the problem with going from universe-multiverse etc marvel is bad at these things. kinda like how it said that genis vell was an OMNIVERSAL telepath.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
[B]really now, i posted a scan before where it was heavily implied that the beyonder himself wud not survive the destruction of the multiverse. he didnt destroy the multiverse with an emotion for heaven's sake.
No the scan implied he MIGHT not survive destruction of time itself. And the guy that said it also said he was the living embodiment of SUPREME power. So youve come this far you have to start lieing and making things up. 😂
Like Mr Master alredy said you removed all the inportant parts of the page.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^read lucifer NIRVANA. mazikeen refers to lucifer's UNIVERSE and lucifer corrects her by saying, "what i created was a TOTALITY, a MULTIVERSE". those are lucifer's words not mine.
That's one claim from Lucifer in a standalone story vs the multitude of statements from other characters, the narrator, and Lucifer himself in the main series that directly prove that Lucifer created a universe, an unfinished universe at that, and nothing more.
TOAA/god depends on the writer/artist and above all editor in-chief.
During Beyonder's reign,
Beyonder was the representative avatar of the writer/editor in-chief Jim Shooter,
in fact, Beyonder, according to Shooter himself, was really above even his avatar,
senseless as that is, that's how far the exaggeration of his power became.
Again, that's why the forced retcon came into play.
So what does this lead to?
TOAA/god is the Supreme being now.
According to Jim Shooter the WRITER/EDITOR in-Chief of all Marvel,
Beyonder was a GOD unto himself, in his own Reality,
and the entire infinite Marvel reality was like a drop of water to his ocean of a reality.
When Beyonder was around, he was the "Supreme being"
that came from another universe where he was also the Supreme being,
yes, he came to the Marvel Universe, took over, and became Reality. (Supreme being)
Beyonder withIN the Marvel Reality:
"The Mightiest beings are microbes to me"
"Reality isn't real to me! Eveything is what I say it is"
"My imagination and reality are virtually indistinguishable"
"All Existence, except for me, might as well be a figment of my imagination"
"I who utterly dictate All Reality"
"As long as I conceive of things, they exist, in a fashion,
because my thoughts equal Reality"
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The Beyonder was, what TOAA is now in a way.
Only TOAA was unheard of, because TOAA was basically Jim Shooter,
same guy who created the Beyonder/Secret Wars,
and was Editor in-Chief of Marvel at the time,
besides ALSO being the Writer of secret wars I-II.
And Jim Shooter placed himself BENEATH the Beyonder's power,
believe it or not, but read it for your self:
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The Beyonder between 1984 and 1986,
was everything outside the Marvel Multiverse, (Infinite Beyond)
was GOD before Genesis, (a Supreme Being)
and in comparison with the entire Marvel Reality the Beyond Realm was like an Ocean,
while the entire Marvel Reality was like a drop of water.
Writer's own words! ^^^ ✅
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Jim Shooter - creator/writer of Secret Wars/Beyonder
(while he was Editor in chief of Marvel)
Get's interviewed ... about the Beyonder.
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Marvel Age is an official Marvel title, created to strictly discuss Marvel stories,
and other intricacies concerning Marvel comics.
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Jim Shooter himself describes Classic Beyonder to us:
Jim states:
1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."
2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."
3. Beyonder's discovery of our Universe ... (Marvel Multiverse)
.... was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...
.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "
"We introduced the Beyonder
and established
that he was studying these beings - us - he had discovered"
swank
This is why Beyonder had to be retconned, (de-powered)
simply too much grander and power.
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MILLIONS of times more powerful than the Living Tribunal,
and the rest of Marvel combined:
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This is why!
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The LT was afraid of the Beyonder, Desperate in FACT:
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When Uatu gathered the Cosmic Hierarchy (the LT included)
the In-Betweener says about Mephisto,
"Surely this is his day of last resorts ... he is desperate ... AS ARE WE"
I believe "WE" included the LT ✅ (who is there)
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After Beyonder erased Death from the Multiverse,
the Hierarchy (including the LT) accepts their fate,
then the MM shows up and they all step aside: (as if salvation arrived)
LOL!
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Who's the ONLY being to ever make the LT tremble in fear?
Beyonder, that's who.
The Living Tribunal and the hierarchy literally,
were quaking in their pants at the thought of what Beyonder would do,
if Eternity failed,
when Eternity actually mustered some courage to attempt an attack:
"The Mighty of the MULTIVERSE (the LT included) TREMBLE"
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