Thanos (heart) vs. Spectre (merged)

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

What the hell ?

Joe flat out stated that those who actually write

the comics don't reffer to the Marvel Universe as the whole Marvel

(including the Ultimate line etc) but just a part of the totality.

Jim Starlin interview: (the Writer/Creator of The End: Marvel)

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382

"Thanos and the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten compete for the ultimate power"

"Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe
it ought to be the real thing"

yawn

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

You want to go on this the logical way ?

Okay then, explain to me then why those who were summoned to fight Thanos w/HOTU were only from the prime Multiverse ? Hell, they needed all the help they could get, and since even Hank Pym and such were there, it was obvious that pretty much anybody who could fight was present . Why weren't the Ultimates there ? Why no other beings from outside the prime Marvel Multiverse ?

Just Like Jim Starlin officially stated:

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382

The ENTIRE Marvel Universe!

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

It's obvious that this story didn't involve anything beyond the Multiverse and any objective poster who's actually read the story would realize that.

Not to:

Jim Starlin interview: (the Writer/Creator of The End: Marvel)

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382

"Thanos and the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten compete for the ultimate power"

"Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe
it ought to be the real thing"

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

The title of the story wasn’t Marvel Universe: The End ? Oh really ?

The END: Marvel

(Cover of #1)

(Cover of #6)

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Didn't you remember the part where I asked you not to spam
with the same arguments saved in a document ?

You been spamming with unsupported, mis-interpreted, mis-leading, gobbledygook,
you don't see me complaining, just 😆 my ass off at your posts.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

So just because he was thinking about something else it is an 'excuse' for him not knowing that Warlock would come through the portal ? Good one.

On the same page where he is clueless about Warlock coming through the portal,
he says that "Nothing remained".

AGAIN!!!

Thanos on that SAME PAGE was distraught,
overwhelmed with regret over what he had done, (erasing Marvel)
so in this state of turmoil for a moment he was obviously distracted,
but the instant he focused again,
he KNEW exactly where Warlock was plus the details:

Next Page BEFORE Warlock said a word:

All of a sudden Thanos KNOWS exactly WHERE Warlock was,
with WHO and WHAT he was doing there:

Thanos said "Nothing remains" ...
and NOTHING did remain withIN Time/Space.

Read the scan though homie,
Warlock was OUTSIDE of Space/Time ...

Thanos absorbed ALL of Space/Time:

So withIN Space/Time ... well ... "Nothing remains" 🙂

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

And you seem to miss my point. It has nothing to do with Thanos deducting knowing where Warlock was during the time he beat and absorbed the others, it was him not knowing who would be coming through the portal.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

It is stated that Mistress Death exists in a plane outside this reality, so if Thanos didn't knew that she still existed, it means that his Omniscience and Omnipresence isn't all encompassing.

Warlock stated the reason for Thanos letting him live,
was for someone to "witness" Thanos' "grand gesture"
that "grand gesture" is ... re-creating/healing the ENTIRE Marvel Universe.

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If Thanos wanted, he could've absorbed Death too,
and Warlock.

Isn't it a coincidence though,
that Thanos only left (as far as anyone knows) Two realities behind, (or beings)
Death (his life-time infatuation) and ...
Atlea's realm which contained Warlock.

Warlock, I remember Thanos saying he saw no reason not to erase Warlock aswell,
You know what Warlock responded with:

"Except then no one would witness your grand gesture"

Thanos replies, "I was not aware that I had one planned"

Warlock responds, "The security of the Void is not your way Titan"

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What do yall think that means?

Warlock knew Thanos would end up Re-Creating everything (his grand gesture)
because like he told Thanos:

"I understand you, better than, perhaps, you do yourself,
why I have trusted you so many times in the past"

"The security of the Void is not your way Titan"

Precisely, Thanos doesn't wanna rule over nothing, a Void. 🙂

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IMO,
it's quite conceivable
that Thanos (subconsciously) allowed Death and Warlock to survive for said reasons.

Death for love ...

and Warlock for This .. to witness This:

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Omniscience means knowing what is, has or will be happening at any time. It doesn't have limits, that have already proven, nor is it influenced by any factors such as 'I was so emotional after killing everybody' or 'I was so engrossed in my newfound power that I didn't notice'.

Seriously, what the hell is up with this arguments ?

Thanos had just merged with the power of God/THOTI, like a few pages back,
you don't expect euphoria to set in?

Jeesh, Thanos himself gave the reason WHY he was distracted for a moment:

"So engrossed was I, in my NEW FOUND Omnipotence
that I did not sense this fateful meeting"

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Do you really think that the One Above All's power would be this limited ?

TOAA has always had his power,
Thanos had JUST acquired that power,
how can you compare the two? :doh

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

Actually no, you can't have it both ways.
Either Thanos didn't become the embodiement of God
thus the reason he couldn't fix the Universe without destroying and recreating it, or the One Above All is also limited thus the limitation on Thanos.

Thanos became God, the Supreme Being on panel, in bios,
and according to the Writer (Jim Starlin) himself.

Thanos did fix the flaw, the only way it was possible to fix.
(that's the way the story was written)

If Thanos would've been able to fix the flaw by simply waving a hand,
then the arc would've ended in the middle of issue #4.

And Jim needed to erase ALL of Marvel, so that wasn't an option.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

You want to go with your line of reasoning ? Okay, I'll destroy your argument using it. Since you say 'God' limited himself for the purpose of the story (unable to fix the flaw in the Universe) than that means that even if Thanos truly did recive God's power, then it was a limited one's power, thus not the actual embodiement of God's power who should be able to do/know everything.

He had no limits, but it's a freakin comic book story
and it has to follow a sequence that gives the story meaning.

Usually, actually ALWAYS, stories involving Cosmics, or omnipotent powers,
contain PIS!

Why?

Well, to make a story that can last more than a two pages.

Like Thanos acquires THOTI in one page,
the next page, Thanos waves his hand and either fixes the flaw,
or erases and re-creates Marvel with the same wave of the hand.

See, one way or another, that's a cheesy story,
hence the PIS!

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Is that it?

Is this what you meant by:

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

I'll destroy your argument

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Is that it?

Is this what you meant by:

hysterical2

Yes. 🙂

I have proved all of my points and if anybody actually reads our discussion, he would realize that you've never actually proved any of them wrong and you heavily rely on speculation for countering some of them, while dodging others.

From this point on, the discussion has no point since I've already said what I had to say and you're not actually countering anything, so I'll just let those who read it make up their minds.

I think I'm going to save this discussion for the next time somebody brings up the fact that Thanos became the 'God'.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Yes.

I have proved all of my points and if anybody actually reads our discussion, he would realize that you've never actually proved any of them wrong and you heavily rely on speculation for countering some of them, while dodging others.

From this point on, the discussion has no point since I've already said what I had to say and you're not actually countering anything, so I'll just let those who read it make up their minds.

Cool.

The rest of your post is gibberish.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr

I think I'm going to save this discussion for the next time somebody brings up the fact that Thanos became the 'God'.

You have a problem with Thanos/THOTI becoming God the Almighty Supreme Being?

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Here's Thanos' 2008 bio: (at the bottom)

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos

" ... Known as the Heart of the Universe,
from which all energy physical and metaphysical emanates,
and thereby gained infinite power ...

... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe
and become the One true Supreme Being ... "

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=========== SUPREME BEING =============

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And GOD!

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Official Marvel Handbook as well:

"Thanos eradicated the Order, they ... Pronounced him GOD" ...

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=========== GOD =============

Write Marvel a letter and complain. 😬

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Or if you have a problem with Thanos/THOTI destroying the ENTIRE Marvel Universe?

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Jim Starlin interview: (the Writer/Creator of The End: Marvel)

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382

"Thanos and the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten compete for the ultimate power"

"Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe
it ought to be the real thing"

.............................................................................

Write Jim Starlin a letter and complain. 🙂

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Damn skippy. 👆

Ok so Thanos decides he's going to be the supreme being, and the order proclaims him God, some how make him God? WHAT THE HELL? That doesn't make him God just because he's more powerful than everyoen else nor does it make him supreme because that was his intention. He's been down that road before.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Ok so Thanos decides he's going to be the supreme being,
and the order proclaims him God, some how make him God?

WHAT THE HELL?

That doesn't make him God

So I saved this for ya:

http://www.adelaidecomicsandbooks.com/starlin.html

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Another Jim Starlin (creator/writer of "The End: Marvel"😉 interview:

Jim Starlin states ... Thanos: "basically he was God" (first paragraph)

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Don't ever come back telling me Thanos wasn't God.

If you do, you'll cement your intransigence as a fact.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Yes. 🙂

I have proved all of my points and if anybody actually reads our discussion, he would realize that you've never actually proved any of them wrong and you heavily rely on speculation for countering some of them, while dodging others.

From this point on, the discussion has no point since I've already said what I had to say and you're not actually countering anything, so I'll just let those who read it make up their minds.

I think I'm going to save this discussion for the next time somebody brings up the fact that Thanos became the 'God'.

I think most have made up their minds and the side with Thanos. They also so your dodging as to why Spectre actually wins. You provided no scans or no real reasoning as to why you think he wins.

there have been countless scans put up explaining what actually happened as opposed to your skewed version of events.

The verdict is in and Thanos wins this convincingly. To me you showed us your dc biased becuase when push came to shove you just stood there and did nothing. You didnt even debate for the Spectre at all and simply gave him the win because he is from dc and with nothing to back it up. 🙂

Originally posted by fangirl101
Ok so Thanos decides he's going to be the supreme being, and the order proclaims him God, some how make him God? WHAT THE HELL? That doesn't make him God just because he's more powerful than everyoen else nor does it make him supreme because that was his intention. He's been down that road before.

Concede or remain ignorant.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Yes?" ... So in other words, still nada?

Cool.

The rest of your post is gibberish.

Do what you like, it will simply be disproved again.

You have a problem with Thanos/THOTI becoming God the Almighty Supreme Being?

Yes as in „Yes, I have destroyed your argument” 🙂

Will simply be disaproved again ? No, not really, since you haven't disaproven it now either, and no amount of copy-paste from saved documents is going to change that.

I've proven that Thanos wasn't 'God' in either of the aspects that describe him, which is Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresence.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Yes as in „Yes, I have destroyed your argument” 🙂

Will simply be disaproved again ? No, not really, since you haven't disaproven it now either, and no amount of copy-paste from saved documents is going to change that.

I've proven that Thanos wasn't 'God' in either of the aspects that describe him, which is Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresence.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Yes as in „Yes, I have destroyed your argument” 🙂

Will simply be disaproved again ? No, not really, since you haven't disaproven it now either, and no amount of copy-paste from saved documents is going to change that.

I've proven that Thanos wasn't 'God' in either of the aspects that describe him, which is Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresence.

You have only proven you cant stand Thanos wins this thread and are ignoring writers statements that Thanos was god in this comic. You are also ignoring on panel confirmations.

Who else gave Spectre the win in here besides you?

Originally posted by fangirl101
I agree.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Yes. 🙂

I have proved all of my points and if anybody actually reads our discussion, he would realize that you've never actually proved any of them wrong and you heavily rely on speculation for countering some of them, while dodging others.

From this point on, the discussion has no point since I've already said what I had to say and you're not actually countering anything, so I'll just let those who read it make up their minds.

I think I'm going to save this discussion for the next time somebody brings up the fact that Thanos became the 'God'.

Originally posted by starlock
👆