Ultimate Cap vs 616 Spider-Man

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Wow.....side ways thats incredible(in case you haven't figure it out I'm being sarcastic)......wow a drop of blood. No were did I say U.Spiderman one-shotted him, quote me I dare you.....LOL.

I said he sent him flying. Because his punch made him travel in the air.........LOL.

The fact that you said U.Cap rivals 616 Spiderman is absurd. Go read 616 Spiderman. Read Amazing, Spectacular, annuals, one shots guest appearances.

That ough to bring you up to speed.

U.Cap doesn't even rival USAgent let alone 616 Spiderman.

Wow. You don't think Ult. Cap rivals USAgent or Spiderman? He evenly wrestled with Ult. Spiderman. One shotted Ult. Juggernaut with a kick (who fugging beat up Ult. Colossus). Went toe-to-toe with Ult. Hulk who was ripping through tanks and actually knocked him out. Leaped several stories straight up from a burning jet. Dove from 600 feet high straight into water. Took half a pint of tetrodotoxin and was still fighting. Got completely double-fist pounded by Ult. Abomination and got straight back up again.

If you think these feats don't place Ult. Cap on the tier next to or above USAgent or Ult. Spidey, you're smoking some dern nasty grass there son. Take your unpatriotic tuckus and read some Ultimates, commie.

Ult. Cap 6/10.

Spidey ftw.

I thought general consensus was that Ultimate Cap was stronger, but had weaker fighting skills then 616 Cap ? He also has a more volatile temper.

Originally posted by grey fox
I thought general consensus was that Ultimate Cap was stronger, but had weaker fighting skills then 616 Cap ? He also has a more volatile temper.

His temper is a weakness though when it causes him to lose composure. You saw that in his fight against Herr Kleiser. 616 Spidey should be able to close the fighting skills gap by pissing him off. Then again, Ult. Cap's only lost his composure once against a Nazi Alien who killed his allies in WWII and was in the process of destroying the world. So I don't think you can place all your eggs in that one basket.

Ult. Cap 6/10.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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Wow. You don't think Ult. Cap rivals USAgent or Spiderman? He evenly wrestled with Ult. Spiderman. One shotted Ult. Juggernaut with a kick (who fugging beat up Ult. Colossus). Went toe-to-toe with Ult. Hulk who was ripping through tanks and actually knocked him out. Leaped several stories straight up from a burning jet. Dove from 600 feet high straight into water. Took half a pint of tetrodotoxin and was still fighting. Got completely double-fist pounded by Ult. Abomination and got straight back up again.

If you think these feats don't place Ult. Cap on the tier next to or above USAgent or Ult. Spidey, you're smoking some dern nasty grass there son. Take your unpatriotic tuckus and read some Ultimates, commie.

Ult. Cap 6/10.

Last I checked U.Cap works out with small weights unlike Agent who uses 10 plus tons. He wrestled with a nervous break down Spiderman who holds back a lot. One shotted U.Juggernaut who was never shown to be out anywhere.

Toe to toe? Did you even see that U.Cap got owned by U.Hulk twice he only put him down briefly if any. Add to that there was major circumstances like U.Ironman making U.Hulk puke out his guts to even Wasp calming U.Hulk down to only have a tank fall on him.

LOL

Yeah Lie much. I think you've been exposed.

You lost the battled just like U.Cap back down from U.Thor in the bar.....Son. 🙂

Face it Cap is waaaaaaaaaay to American for U.Cap.

Originally posted by grey fox
I thought general consensus was that Ultimate Cap was stronger, but had weaker fighting skills then 616 Cap ? He also has a more volatile temper.

I agree he's stronger but nothing in the 10-15 ton range like USAgent or Spiderman.

More like 2-4 tons at the most.

Definitely has weaker fighting skills compared too 616 Cap.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Ult. Cap 6/10.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Last I checked U.Cap works out with small weights unlike Agent who uses 10 plus tons. He wrestled with a nervous break down Spiderman who holds back a lot. One shotted U.Juggernaut who was never shown to be out anywhere.

Toe to toe? Did you even see that U.Cap got owned by U.Hulk twice he only put him down briefly if any. Add to that there was major circumstances like U.Ironman making him puke out his guts to even Wasp calming U.Hulk down to only have a tank fall on him.

LOL

Yeah Lie much. I think you've been exposed.

You lost the battled just like U.Cap back down from U.Thor in the bar.....Son. 🙂

Ult. Spidey being forced to fight Ult. Cap because he thought his Aunt May would be killed is still a force to be reckoned with. But it's debateable that he was holding back. At the same time, it is equally debateable that Ult. Cap did not want to hurt him either. So considering that Parker was trying to prevent his Aunt May from being killed and Ult. Cap didn't want to beat up a poor kid out of his depth, the knife cuts both ways. You all comfy sittin down yet, kid? Good, there's more.

Ult. Juggernaut wrecked the X-Mansion and was shown to be on par with Ult. Colossus ON-PANEL. I won't fault you for not knowing this as it is painfully obvious you didn't read Ultimate X-Men or Ultimate War. One kick. Surprising? Not really... considering he put down Ult. Hulk. Put that dunce cap on now, kid. More schoolin's a comin.

I know that Ult. Ironman, Wasp and ther tank took their shots at Ult. Hulk. Did you also read the fact that everything they were doing was only making Ult. Hulk stronger and stronger as the fight went on? And despite what you think happened, it's undeniable at that point that Ult. Hulk was still durable enough to emerge virtually unscathed out of the tank and was still strong enough to tear that reinforced tank apart with his bare hands. But then again, your lack of clarity on those events is not surprising. No matter what, he knocked out Ult. Hulk. I never once denied that Ult. Cap took a nasty beating thereafter. Which is completely in line with him getting stronger and stronger as the fight went on. But considering that he took some unmitigated pounding straight on his face, that also speaks volumes about Ult. Cap's durability too. Take your dunce cap and sit in a corner, kid.

I don't lie. You know what I do? I read. You should try it sometime. Take your desperate attempts at undermining my credibility and stuff em under your dunce cap, kid. A lot better have tried and failed.

And while we're calling pots black, making it sound like Ult. Cap backed down from a fight with Ult. Thor in the bar is ridiculous. Ult. Cap confronted him about leaking secrets and Ult. Thor denied them with a simple credible explanation. Ult. Cap got spit on, then Ult. Thor chastized his own followers and finally Ult. Cap walked away with a warning. They never sized up against each other. Take your garbage elsewhere. You don't want to see me gettin nastier than I am past destroying your arguments and overturning your accusations. I will downright embarass you, kid.

Ult. Cap 6/10.

Spidey 9/10

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No matter what, he knocked out Ult. Hulk.

Uh, no. He tripped him with a leg sweep. being knocked over isn't remotely close to being knocked out.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Did it look like Ult. Cap's max capacity? Especially when he's having a casual conversation with Ult. Wasp? No? Sit down and get ready for your lesson, kid.

Big whupp 616 Cap has a feat with weights and he's talking as well. Doesn't mean he's as strong as Agent or 616 Cap. Does it.

Ult. Spidey being forced to fight Ult. Cap because he thought his Aunt May would be killed is still a force to be reckoned with. But it's debateable that he was holding back. At the same time, it is equally debateable that Ult. Cap did not want to hurt him either. So considering that Parker was trying to prevent his Aunt May from being killed and Ult. Cap didn't want to beat up a poor kid out of his depth, the knife cuts both ways. You all comfy sittin down yet, kid? Good, there's more.

So its then becomes debatable both ways one holds back more...one more more prone to being violent. The fact that U.Spiderman was talking and asking questions during this shows this as same for U.Spiderman its just a question of who is holding back more. Thus there is no proof for that. Thus the "feat" becomes moot.

Ult. Juggernaut wrecked the X-Mansion and was shown to be on par with Ult. Colossus ON-PANEL. I won't fault you for not knowing this as it is painfully obvious you didn't read Ultimate X-Men or Ultimate War. One kick. Surprising? Not really... considering he put down Ult. Hulk. Put that dunce cap on now, kid. More schoolin's a comin.

Put down U.Hulk briefly after said circumstances and then got owned by U.Hulk twice and needed to be saved from U.Hulk. LOL yeah right.

They even said U.Cap needed to be saved against U.Thor and this is while U.Cap had a team and relied on a flame thrower. Take some notes..🙂 Fact is it didn't show U.Juggs unconscious.

I know that Ult. Ironman, Wasp and ther tank took their shots at Ult. Hulk. Did you also read the fact that everything they were doing was only making Ult. Hulk stronger and stronger as the fight went on? And despite what you think happened, it's undeniable at that point that Ult. Hulk was still durable enough to emerge virtually unscathed out of the tank and was still strong enough to tear that reinforced tank apart with his bare hands. But then again, your lack of clarity on those events is not surprising. No matter what, he knocked out Ult. Hulk. I never once denied that Ult. Cap took a nasty beating thereafter. Which is completely in line with him getting stronger and stronger as the fight went on. But considering that he took some unmitigated pounding straight on his face, that also speaks volumes about Ult. Cap's durability too. Take your dunce cap and sit in a corner, kid.

Him getting stronger doesn't help your case. Did you forget U.Hulk was calmed down by wast and forgot his anger. Shoot of course it look like he got stronger. Calm with Cap and peed off a bit from tank since that occurred after Wasp calming him. To then Cap putting him down but "briefly" and then needed to be saved against U.Cap since he stood no chance what so ever. I see you ignore this fact as well.

Even in a issue were it shows them moving subs and other heavy equipment it shows U.Ironman and Captain Britain doing all the work as U.Cap is not bothering.........hmmmmmm I wonder why.

I don't lie. You know what I do? I read. You should try it sometime. Take your desperate attempts at undermining my credibility and stuff em under your dunce cap, kid. A lot better have tried and failed.

Too easy. Lie....you ignore.....lie......embellish and recreate.

And while we're calling pots black, making it sound like Ult. Cap backed down from a fight with Ult. Thor in the bar is ridiculous. Ult. Cap confronted him about leaking secrets and Ult. Thor denied them with a simple credible explanation. Ult. Cap got spit on, then Ult. Thor chastized his own followers and finally Ult. Cap walked away with a warning. They never sized up against each other. Take your garbage elsewhere. You don't want to see me gettin nastier than I am past destroying your arguments and overturning your accusations. I will downright embarass you, kid.

Ult. Cap 6/10.

LOL U.Cap backed down immediately when U.Thor told him he won't fold like U.Hank. And then even in U.Cap's with U.Thor he couldn't hang and relied on a flame thrower and team and they even stated U.Cap would need to be saved. As they only beat U.Thor with circumstances.

Embarrass you did that to yourself.

Originally posted by Starscream M
your hard-on for Ult Cap is quite incredible to witness...

Pretty much. He's way up there on the fanboy scale.

Just to lay any controversy to rest. I'll give you a test. Show me scans where 616 Spidey clearly surpasses these feats:

1) Taking a full-blown double-fist piledriver into the ground from a class 100 like Ult. Abomination and getting up immediately thereafter. No rolling with the blow.

2) Diving straight into water from 600 feet and being completely unharmed (which is essentially concrete at that height, so you can show him falling onto concrete headfirst without being harmed as proof too).

3) Taking half a pint of tetrodotoxin (.0008 grams injected kills an ordinary man, which means he took more than a million times over the lethal dose) and still fighting and struggling against super soldiers.

4) One-shotting a class 100 like Ult. Juggernaut with a single blow. No prior fighting, no outside interference. Just a single blow.

Show me 616 Spidey's feats that far surpass these feats and I will concede that I overestimated Ult. Cap's physicality as compared to 616 Spidey's. Simple enough, right? Go for it. No excuses. Just do it. I don't mind being called a liar, embellisher, etc. by a kid like you who doesn't even read these comics. That's fine, it's like being called slow-footed by a quadripelgic. You read Spidey, so go for it. You don't even need to read Ultimates to do this. These things are all ON-PANEL.

No excuses, no nit-picking. Just do it.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Uh, no. He tripped him with a leg sweep. being knocked over isn't remotely close to being knocked out.

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Gnight, Daredevil1. Guess it was your bedtime. It's ok, the challenge will still be there for you in easy black and white when you wake up tomorrow. I look forward to reading your excuses and dodging- *ahem*. I mean I look forward to reading your scans and attempts at greatly surpassing those feats from 616 Spidey lore.

Durability:
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7742/feat17durability2kf1.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4231/feat10skillstr0.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/896/feat9strengthmm4.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4256/feat4durabilityra9.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3887/feat9durability4ha3.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3671/feat9durability5er7.jpg

I don't remember Ult. Cap ever showing any strength feats comparable to Spiderman, 616 Cap has koed Rhino with a kick, that doesn't mean he is as strong as Spiderman. And I don't think Ult. Cap has shown one more than one occasion that kind of strength.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
By the way, although that was how he was laid out on his back, Ult. Hulk was indeed knocked out. He was down with his eyes shut and Ult. Cap had enough time to step over him, take out his needle and ask the SHIELD boys to get some med staff for when he "wakes up."

He was down for about a second then got straight back up, he was never knocked out:

At the moment im thinking Spiderman 8/10

Originally posted by Starscream M
your hard-on for Ult Cap is quite incredible to witness...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ult. Cap 6/10. Ult. Cap is so underrated it's a joke.

Ultimate Cap IS underrated.

He still loses to 616 Spider-Man. 😐

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Just to lay any controversy to rest. I'll give you a test. Show me scans where 616 Spidey clearly surpasses these feats:

1) Taking a full-blown double-fist piledriver into the ground from a class 100 like Ult. Abomination and getting up immediately thereafter. No rolling with the blow.

2) Diving straight into water from 600 feet and being completely unharmed (which is essentially concrete at that height, so you can show him falling onto concrete headfirst without being harmed as proof too).

3) Taking half a pint of tetrodotoxin (.0008 grams injected kills an ordinary man, which means he took more than a million times over the lethal dose) and still fighting and struggling against super soldiers.

4) One-shotting a class 100 like Ult. Juggernaut with a single blow. No prior fighting, no outside interference. Just a single blow.

Show me 616 Spidey's feats that far surpass these feats and I will concede that I overestimated Ult. Cap's physicality as compared to 616 Spidey's. Simple enough, right? Go for it. No excuses. Just do it. I don't mind being called a liar, embellisher, etc. by a kid like you who doesn't even read these comics. That's fine, it's like being called slow-footed by a quadripelgic. You read Spidey, so go for it. You don't even need to read Ultimates to do this. These things are all ON-PANEL.

No excuses, no nit-picking. Just do it.

Hell I can do that with 616 Cap who's inferior to 616 Spiderman.

1. Actually its debatable wheither U.Cap took the impact head on from Abomonation. But 616 took a beat down from a blood lusted Ironman in a annual and was not KO'ed. To taking a hit from King Thor "himself".

2. Cap has fallen from a airplane crash with not his Cap suit on and no use of shield. Cap was in jail clothes at the time. He even fell from the sky going 100 mph to land on the solid rocky Thing from FF4.

3. Cap's healing has shrugged off a living virus that effected true Superhumans like She-hulk and many more. Even healed from a bullet to the head in a mere minute.

4. Cap has one shotted by your definition of it anyhow Korvac, Thunderball, Hulk. And these guys are "superior" to U.Hulk or U.Abom.

I just showed you 616 Cap matching and surpassing U.Cap. Who is actually weaker then 616 Spiderman. No point in doing it with 616 Spiderman. 😂

Anyhow you've misrepresented the feats as seen from above anyhow. Cap's feats are better then U.Cap's feat. All your doing if just focusing on High end feats anyways so I did the say for 616 Cap.