Star Wars: The Clone Wars

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Padme's death was unrealistic, and stupid. The weakest point in RotS. But that's ONE thing. It would have been so much better for her to really get killed by Vader...

In the opening space battle. They scream, they died, and you actually see the corpse of one of them flying through space.

Nope, no screams, was watching it just now, not even comparable to the "AAAAAAAAAARGH, I AM ****ING DYING, OH GOD, IT HURTS SO MUCH, NOW MY EYES ARE EXPLODING, WHY, WHYYYYYYYY!" death screams of the OT.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nope, no screams, was watching it just now, not even comparable to the "AAAAAAAAAARGH, I AM ****ING DYING, OH GOD, IT HURTS SO MUCH, NOW MY EYES ARE EXPLODING, WHY, WHYYYYYYYY!" death screams of the OT.

Nice. I just caught you on a little lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0srDwWzUkFo&feature=related

3:59. Death scream. That should resolve this weird little debate...

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Nice. I just caught you on a little lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0srDwWzUkFo&feature=related

3:59. Death scream. That should resolve this weird little debate...

Err, you might hear something slightly resembling a scream (could be anything else, really), but as I said

not even comparable to the "AAAAAAAAAARGH, I AM ****ING DYING, OH GOD, IT HURTS SO MUCH, NOW MY EYES ARE EXPLODING, WHY, WHYYYYYYYY!" death screams of the OT.

Either way, it's apparent that the OT is more for grown ups than the PT, so I am indeed not sure why we have this debate. Not even to start about that darker doesn't mean more mature by any means.

RotS = Darkest movie with the most mature themes in the saga. This is not debatable. Whether it executes it as well as ESB and ANH IS, however.

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Oh, I agree it was supposed to be the darkest and most mature movie, it just isn't. It might be the darkest, it is without a doubt not the most mature. And in it's darkness it is certainly a childish approach to dark themes.

lol wut?

Seriously. You need to explain what's the whole childish deal with it. I mean, c'mon. Kids can't even fully understand what's the big deal with its darkness.

By the way, I can tell you're more of an OT type of guy. Don't let it get in the way of your rational thinking- I mean, c'mon. You can still like ANH and ESB more than RotS even if RotS is darker and more mature than 'em. Neither of these three films- the 'truly great' SW movies (tho I think AotC isn't too far away from ANH)- are all dark (with varying degrees) and with mature themes, and made for both adults and kids.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
lol wut?

Seriously. You need to explain what's the whole childish deal with it. I mean, c'mon. Kids can't even fully understand what's the big deal with its darkness.

By the way, I can tell you're more of an OT type of guy. Don't let it get in the way of your rational thinking- I mean, c'mon. You can still like ANH and ESB more than RotS even if RotS is darker and more mature than 'em. Neither of these three films- the 'truly great' SW movies (tho I think AotC isn't too far away from ANH)- are all dark (with varying degrees) and with mature themes, and made for both adults and kids.

I could prefer ANH and ESB even if they weren't the more mature movies, they just happen to be.

ROTS, is a popcorn film, with dark tones. It's not particularly deep, imo, and it doesn't really deal with very mature topics. Sure, it has a bit of politics, but it is mostly meant to be action. You truly believe that ROTS is a more mature movie than ANH and ESB? May I ask why?

Return of The Jedi had Ewoks, ****ing Ewoks, "dark themed" my ass. None of the movies are "dark" per se, they're kids movies first and foremost, fun entertainment.

Just watched Clone Wars, was a decent kids animation, nothing special though. The Jedi figts scenes were cool though, as animation allows the Jedi to really do more Jedi-powers shit. The super-jumping, speed and whatnots.

Originally posted by Robtard
Return of The Jedi had Ewoks, ****ing Ewoks, "dark themed" my ass. None of the movies are "dark" per se, they're kids movies first and foremost, fun entertainment.

Well, that's what I don't think about ANH, ESB and also, partly ROTS.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, that's what I don't think about ANH, ESB and also, partly ROTS.

That they're not kids movies?

Originally posted by Robtard
That they're not kids movies?

Yeah.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah.

Look at the subject matter, the rating of the movies and the dialogue. They're kids movies with just enough added to be fun for adults, but they are what they are.

Edit: I should really say "family movies" instead of "kid", as the latter implies kiddy-shit like teletubbies.

Originally posted by Robtard
Look at the subject matter, the rating of the movies and the dialogue. They're kids movies with just enough added to be fun for adults, but they are what they are.

Edit: I should really say "family movies" instead of "kid", as the latter implies kiddy-shit like teletubbies.

They are very black and white, if that's what you mean. I would more see them as an adult fairy tale, then a children's bedtime story though.

Dude, leave the Ewoks alone! 😛

Originally posted by Bardock42
I could prefer ANH and ESB even if they weren't the more mature movies, they just happen to be.

ROTS, is a popcorn film, with dark tones. It's not particularly deep, imo, and it doesn't really deal with very mature topics. Sure, it has a bit of politics, but it is mostly meant to be action. You truly believe that ROTS is a more mature movie than ANH and ESB? May I ask why?

Sure thing.

It deals with the question of how Anakin turns to be evil; and it's oddly... sympathetic. Hell, this film asks "Why does a man become evil?", and the whole understanding of how impossible love can drive someone insane is difficult for kids to understand. In addition, the whole political stuff about a man taking over the world via democratic means is very mature, and seems very... eerr... real-world kind of stuff. Aside from the truly great sequence in ESB- where Luke enters the cave, duels the fake Darth Vader, and finds his own head inside the helmet- neither ANH nor ESB truly touched the themes of politics, and how evil is manifested. In both ANH and ESB, there are very simplistic, black-and-white moralities. Darth Vader is pure evil. Luke is pure good. The end. In RotS, though, the line between evil and good is so much more distorted- is Anakin good, or bad? Is Dooku (a political idealist who wanted to 'heal' the Republic of corruption) truly evil? Is Yoda entirely good? He makes mistakes concerning emotion, as does Windu.

Yeah. What do ESB or ANH have to make them more mature than RotS, aside from the "SCREAMS OF DEATH!!!"?

Edit: RotS received a PG-13 rating. Even it's rating says that it's not for (young) kids.

PG-13 doesn't mean it isn't for young children, just some material may be inappropriate for children under 13.

In regards to ROTS, there was little that was inappropriate for a child under 13. Maybe very young kids like 3-5, but even then there wasn't much.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Sure thing.

It deals with the question of how Anakin turns to be evil; and it's oddly... sympathetic. Hell, this film asks "Why does a man become evil?", and the whole understanding of how impossible love can drive someone insane is difficult for kids to understand. In addition, the whole political stuff about a man taking over the world via democratic means is very mature, and seems very... eerr... real-world kind of stuff. Aside from the truly great sequence in ESB- where Luke enters the cave, duels the fake Darth Vader, and finds his own head inside the helmet- neither ANH nor ESB truly touched the themes of politics, and how evil is manifested. In both ANH and ESB, there are very simplistic, black-and-white moralities. Darth Vader is pure evil. Luke is pure good. The end. In RotS, though, the line between evil and good is so much more distorted- is Anakin good, or bad? Is Dooku (a political idealist who wanted to 'heal' the Republic of corruption) truly evil? Is Yoda entirely good? He makes mistakes concerning emotion, as does Windu.

Yeah. What do ESB or ANH have to make them more mature than RotS, aside from the "SCREAMS OF DEATH!!!"?

Edit: RotS received a PG-13 rating. Even it's rating says that it's not for (young) kids.

I think the PT had more of a Saturday morning cartoon feel to it, whereas the OT felt more raw, like a Road Warrior movie, in a way, especially ANH. I think I agree that the OT feels more mature, but it's because of the way the film was made rather than a content thing.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
I think the PT had more of a Saturday morning cartoon feel to it, whereas the OT felt more raw, like a Road Warrior movie, in a way, especially ANH. I think I agree that the OT feels more mature, but it's because of the way the film was made rather than a content thing.

The OT, in general, is a more mature series. Except for RotS, that is, as I've said previously, the darkest and most mature in the series, IMO.

Oh, and by the way, Robtard, you don't consider decapacitation, de-limbing, hundreds of deaths, graphical mutilation/burning unsuitable for kids? You do know that PG-13 is the same rating movies like LotR, TDK, and Die Hard 4 got, right? And I won't exactly consider these movies suitable for young kids.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Oh, and by the way, Robtard, you don't consider decapacitation, de-limbing, hundreds of deaths, graphical mutilation/burning unsuitable for kids? You do know that PG-13 is the same rating movies like LotR, TDK, and Die Hard 4 got, right? And I won't exactly consider these movies suitable for young kids.

While true, not all PG-13 movies are created equal.

Those de-caps and de-limbings are fairly tame as far as that goes, there's isn't even blood shown. So yeah, it's not too bad for many a child to see; really depends on the kid. Some 8 year olds could handle it and understand it's just sci-fi fantasy, while I guess some couldn't, that's what the warning is given and the parents of those children under 13 make the call depending on the maturity level of the child in question.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm 22, I can't have your blankie syndrome idiocy.

You most certainly can.

I saw the OT many times before I heard of discussion of a PT.

😐

Originally posted by Bardock42
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Oh, I agree it was supposed to be the darkest and most mature movie, it just isn't. It might be the darkest, it is without a doubt not the most mature. And in it's darkness it is certainly a childish approach to dark themes.

blankie.