Odin vs Thanos (Rematch)

Originally posted by quanchi112
So are you saying all his shields are similar and denying his best shields for the purposes of debating ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never stated it was but unlike Galactus there's no limit and it can keep tapping into it and eventually the forcefield goes down whereas Galactus had to tax himself to do so.

I don't have to it's easy to see you are saying all shields are created equal despite common sense slapping you right between the eyes.

It's easy to see that you're reduced to prevarications. Making unsupported excuses like, "Oh, Thanos decided not to use his shields or he used inferior shields" to pretend that your bald assertions weren't effectively rebutted by proof is childish.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I haven't said anything. And I haven't denied anything. You're just trying to divert attention from how you've insisted Thanos used weaker shielding or no shielding without any evidence whatsoever. You've not stated anything here. PG Champion wrecked Thanos' shields. PG Thor shattered them. They were nothing to DP Tyrant and Odin.

It's easy to see that you're reduced to prevarications. Making unsupported excuses like, "Oh, Thanos decided not to use his shields or he used inferior shields" to pretend that your bald assertions weren't effectively rebutted by proof is childish.

Go ahead and do it.

Not the same shields. When did Odin wreck his shields or Tyrant ? Do you read my posts ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did use different shielding it's obvious unless you want to prove these guys are more powerful than Galactus.

Go ahead and do it.

But it was a foolish and brash statement to make that "only a well-fed Galactus can wreck Thanos' shields." You know better than to set yourself up for such an easily dispellable notion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not the same shields. When did Odin wreck his shields or Tyrant ? Do you read my posts ?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You don't have to be greater than Galactus to wear down Thanos' shields. DP Tyrant did it. Heck, PG Champion was on the cusp of doing it. PG Thor did it. PG Champion and PG Thor were less powerful than Odin.

at NO point.. did Thanos even bring his shields to fight Tyrant or Odin. The shield he used against Thor was clearly an inferior shield to what he could bring when going all out... Unless of course you believe a hammer shot from Thor is greater than blasts from Galactus and Omega

Speculation

Originally posted by Silent Master
Speculation

Which part?

The part where we SEE NO SHIELDS WHAT-SO-EVER against Odin or Tyrant? Yet we clearly see shielding against Champion, Galactus and Omega... Shields that encircles his whole body. Shielding that took a continuous blast from Omega and help up. Took a continuous blast from well fed Galactus that made him exert so much he had to feed again. Yet, you feel a half ass shield that actually looks like a shield you'd carry on your arm.. is that same kinda of shielding... ummmmm okay...

^ It's called artist choice. Don't act like different artist's don't portray shields differently. Phail. Utter phail.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
at NO point.. did Thanos even bring his shields to fight Tyrant or Odin. The shield he used against Thor was clearly an inferior shield to what he could bring when going all out... Unless of course you believe a hammer shot from Thor is greater than blasts from Galactus and Omega

It's transparent how desperate you are to aggrandize Thanos' showings, which were already impressive on their own. But you're doing it with no proof and against all sheer logic to the contrary. But fine. Tyrant and Odin used between 1-2% shots the entire time. They were so arrogant and they thought so little of the Titan, that's all they used. And they still slapped him around like a slut.

Wow, using no proof to aggrandize characters works well.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thanks for offering no proof whatsoever with your insistence that somehow, someway, Thanos decided to countenance getting slapped around like a slut. Failing to offer any proof completely belies the weaknesses of your assertion.

It's transparent how desperate you are to aggrandize Thanos' showings, which were already impressive on their own. But you're doing it with no proof and against all sheer logic to the contrary. But fine. Tyrant and Odin used between 1-2% shots the entire time. They were so arrogant and they thought so little of the Titan, that's all they used. And they still slapped him around like a slut.

Wow, using no proof to aggrandize characters works well.

That is how little he thought of Odin.. he didn't even feel the need to bring his shields as he knew Odin couldn't put him down. Ooo wait.. he wasn't even going to look for a fight huh.. just for Odin's help... Tyrant he was simply testing HIS might as he stated on panel. Of course, the plain presentation of the comic make it clear WHICH times he was and wasn't... hmmmm why is that.. well we ACTUALLY SEE shielding against Galactus don't we... We see it again against Omega don't we.. same with Champion with the PG... we see it yet again don't we... In fact we see it surrounding his whole body... We even see a half ass shield against PG Thor which look like a glass shield on his arm.. not totally surrounding him... Which makes sense of course.. because a well fed galactus having to go fed just by breaking his shields.. then we have a being stated to be more powerful than Galactus firing a constant blast at Thanos and his shields holding. Being exponentially more powerful than Thor or a simple hammer strike from Thor.. Hmmmm we know he can bring different shields and has difference shields... Yet you feel a hammer strike from Thor to a Thanos shield that look like a piece of glass on his arm is the same level of shielding that surrounds his whole body and can take a continous blast from a well fed galactus and Omega... Certainly you jest......

^ Right. Thanos just called for Surfer to help him and used a force-block almost immediately because he felt Odin wasn't worth his shields.

But hey, Odin clearly thought even less than Thanos. So he used only 1-2% shots.

Sorry if you can't see how retarded your suggestion is that a difference in atist portrayal of shields automatically requires you to believe there are different shields or they are weaker shields. Certainly your stubbornness doesn't blind you from how idiotic that is.

In any case, taking your half-a$$ed assumption that Thanos walked into a fight without any shields, Odin and Tyrant walked into the fight while limiting themselves to 1-2% of their power. Who needs proof? You don't obviously.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No he didn't. You haven't offered any evidence whatsoever. People less powerful than well-fed Galactus can wreck Thanos' shielding. It's happened on-panel. I'm sorry that your canned response now is, "Nuh uh." I'm not going to apologize for the fact that you stand utterly rebutted and have nothing further to say.

But it was a foolish and brash statement to make that "only a well-fed Galactus can wreck Thanos' shields." You know better than to set yourself up for such an easily dispellable notion. When Odin and Tyrant reduced Thanos' armor to tatters. Do you read the comics?

Only Galactus or someone of this power level with no limits can wreck one of his best shields but severely drains himself of energy making Odin a feeble old man by the time the deed is done if at all.

So when the artist draws no shielding whatsoever against Tyrant ot Odin you still assume shielding was present despite seeing it used every other time or drawn every other time.

Laughing out loud.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Right. Thanos just called for Surfer to help him and used a force-block almost immediately because he felt Odin wasn't worth his shields.

But hey, Odin clearly thought even less than Thanos. So he used only 1-2% shots.

Sorry if you can't see how retarded your suggestion is that a difference in atist portrayal of shields automatically requires you to believe there are different shields or they are weaker shields. Certainly your stubbornness doesn't blind you from how idiotic that is.

In any case, taking your half-a$$ed assumption that Thanos walked into a fight without any shields, Odin and Tyrant walked into the fight while limiting themselves to 1-2% of their power. Who needs proof? You don't obviously.

False.. you have ZERO proof what so ever do you ODG. In the cases I stated.. we SEE the shielding.. in fact.. they are even referenced during the fight... Yet in other times... we SEE NO SHIELDING and yet you go... Oooo it's there the artist just didn't draw them LOL LOL. You're calling my argument idiotic.... lol. We know for a fact that Thanos shields aren't always up... we know he can call on them to be raised as we've seen. Yet you wanna take the HUGE LEAP and go... well they were there.. he never called on them.. we don't see them drawn.. but but but he must've taken them cause it's Odin and Tyrant... LOL. Odg your argument is failing miserably.. Offer ANY PROOF that Thanos had shields against Odin or Tyrant.. PLEASE ANYTHING. not your bs and speculation.

What is even worse.. is you question whether Thanos has different types of shielding. Do I really need to find the post where you admitted that thanos has didn't levels of shielding it seems by his various portrayals of them? Do I need to find that post? Unless of course you've changed your mind and Thor.. Thor hiting a half ass shield on Thanos arm is greater than a continous blast from Galactus as Omega... You say my arguments is idiotic.. ASK ANYBODY on this forum or any other if a Thor hammer strike is equal to a continuous blast from Omega or Galactus.. please ask.... LOL

^ And in many cases with comic characters, we don't see shielding drawn. Unfortunately, you assume with no proof whatsoever that Thanos deigned to use them.

I can insist without proferring no evidence either. I insist that, granting your assumption for argument's sake, Odin and DP Tyrant deigned to use 98-99% of their power.

During debates we tend to use proof and support for our arguments. You don't obviously. So chew on it for a while.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, but two instances were with the power gem which has no limits so really you have no point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Only Galactus or someone of this power level with no limits can wreck one of his best shields but severely drains himself of energy making Odin a feeble old man by the time the deed is done if at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So when the artist draws no shielding whatsoever against Tyrant ot Odin you still assume shielding was present despite seeing it used every other time or drawn every other time.

Laughing out loud.

You can laugh at how you continue to present utterly no proof that Thanos rushed in with no shielding. At this point, there's nothing to argue. I understand you insist that there's a difference. But again, you've offered no support for your wishful thinking.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ And in many cases with comic characters, we don't see shielding drawn. Unfortunately, you assume with no proof whatsoever that Thanos deigned to use them.

I can insist without proferring no evidence either. I insist that, granting your assumption for argument's sake, Odin and DP Tyrant deigned to use 98-99% of their power.

During debates we tend to use proof and support for our arguments. You don't obviously. So chew on it for a while. There is a point. Odin > PG Thor at that point. Easily seen when Odin effortlessly broke out of a force block that contained PG Thor for hours. You ignore that point. How unfortunate. Or Tyrant, or PG Champion who is only subconsciously drawing on the Power Gem, or PG Thor who drew upon the PG only to the point where he was still far weaker than Odin. It's unfortunate that you cannot countenance anybody but a well-fed Galactus wrecking Thanos' shields. Unfortunate, because it's already happened on-panel. It wasn't drawn. Iron Patriot has had his shields drawn and other times they're not. Same with Doom. Thanos isn't special in that regard.

You can laugh at how you continue to present utterly no proof that Thanos rushed in with no shielding. At this point, there's nothing to argue. I understand you insist that there's a difference. But again, you've offered no support for your wishful thinking.

When did Tyrant ever break through one of his shields ? Scan or page number ?

So you're saying thor and champion at the time they broke Thanos' shields they reached the same levels of power Galactus used or do you agree his shielding isn't always the same ?

Give me one instance where Thanos had his shields up and they weren't mentioned or drawn in. Thanos isn' tthe same as other characters also and in the same arc of blood and thunder we see the artist draw the shielding but not against Odin proving you to be wrong there.

You're the one who made the claim so please show me one instance where he had his shields up without it being clearly stated or drawn. Why draw it it all if they are always there ? I so wonder about you sometimes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
There is a point. Odin > PG Thor at that point. Easily seen when Odin effortlessly broke out of a force block that contained PG Thor for hours. You ignore that point. How unfortunate. Or Tyrant, or PG Champion who is only subconsciously drawing on the Power Gem, or PG Thor who drew upon the PG only to the point where he was still far weaker than Odin. It's unfortunate that you cannot countenance anybody but a well-fed Galactus wrecking Thanos' shields. Unfortunate, because it's already happened on-panel. It wasn't drawn. Iron Patriot has had his shields drawn and other times they're not. Same with Doom. Thanos isn't special in that regard.

You can laugh at how you continue to present utterly no proof that Thanos rushed in with no shielding. At this point, there's nothing to argue. I understand you insist that there's a difference. But again, you've offered no support for your wishful thinking.

Do you listen to yourself sometimes.. You are saying we are providing no proof for him having not having shielding.. are you slow or retarded today. YOU HAVE TO PROVE HE DID HAVE SHIELDING... let me break this down so that even a simpleton can understand...

1. We DON'T SEE ANY SHIELDING DRAW or EVEN MENTIONED. That IS OUR PROOF. It was never mentioned let alone even implied he had any shielding. Your favorite "the clear presentation of the comic" fails you here.. the clear presentation shows NO SHIELDING WHAT-SO-EVER. Please prove he had his shields for his fight with Odin or Tyrant ANY PROOF or just rubbish?

2. Not only don't we see shields against Tyrant or Odin.. but we know that Thanos has varying degrees of shields don't we... as you once admitted. We know this because we saw a simple hammer strike break one shield.. yet we saw Thanos other shields.. one that encircled his whole body (which artistically look stronger.. stronger than a glass shield thing on his arm) Yet you feel this arm glass shield which broke under a hammer strike.. is the same level of shielding that took a continous blast from Galactus and Omega....? WTF? Are you kidding me.. You actually think a hammer strike can break Thanos shield but a blast from Galactus or Omega have to be a continous I'm pissed off at you (and deplete a well fed galactus) is the same level of shielding really?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ And in many cases with comic characters, we don't see shielding drawn. Unfortunately, you assume with no proof whatsoever that Thanos deigned to use them.

I can insist without proferring no evidence either. I insist that, granting your assumption for argument's sake, Odin and DP Tyrant deigned to use 98-99% of their power.

During debates we tend to use proof and support for our arguments. You don't obviously. So chew on it for a while. There is a point. Odin > PG Thor at that point. Easily seen when Odin effortlessly broke out of a force block that contained PG Thor for hours. You ignore that point. How unfortunate. Or Tyrant, or PG Champion who is only subconsciously drawing on the Power Gem, or PG Thor who drew upon the PG only to the point where he was still far weaker than Odin. It's unfortunate that you cannot countenance anybody but a well-fed Galactus wrecking Thanos' shields. Unfortunate, because it's already happened on-panel. It wasn't drawn. Iron Patriot has had his shields drawn and other times they're not. Same with Doom. Thanos isn't special in that regard.

You can laugh at how you continue to present utterly no proof that Thanos rushed in with no shielding. At this point, there's nothing to argue. I understand you insist that there's a difference. But again, you've offered no support for your wishful thinking.

Do you listen to yourself.. You're saying we use PROOF to decide arguments.. yet you HAVE NONE. The proof you simpleton is his shields were NEVER DRAWN, SPOKEN OF or EVEN IMPLIED to be there. That IS the proof when we are arguing if he had shields up... Hmmm what is the best way to prove it one way or the other.. HMMMMMMMm ... well we can see them drawn... nope not drawn... we can see them said to be up... fail again eh ODG... lastly.. we can seem them implied to be there if not outright stated... yet again ODG.. fail on that. That IS THE PROOF you jack.. YOU ARE THE ONE WITH NO PROOF. PLEASE OFFER ANY PROOF WHAT SO EVER that he had his shielding up.. If you don't and you continue I think for the first time I'll have to get a mod here to put this to a end. I will clearly win as you have no proof at all.. .OOOOO WAIT here is your proof... sometimes comic book characters get written with no shields drawn.. Thus if thanos shields were drawn.. they wre still up LOL LOL. Do you know how idiotic this sounds... We could say that about ANY comic book character who has ever been shown to use a shield of any kind... Oo it jsut wasn't drawn LOL LOL. I'm going to love a mod to come in here, see what you have been arguing about, and your proof.. and tell you how stupid you look LOL

^ You have no proof that Odin didn't use 1-2% of his power since 100% or anywhere near 100% of his power is NEVER DRAWN, SPOKEN OF or EVEN IMPLIED.

Do you know what you're doing? You're trying to get me to argue that there is no possibility that Thanos didn't use shields. In other words, you're trying to use a negative proof fallacy because you don't have the wits (much less the proof) to make your own argument that Thanos definitely used no shielding or used far weaker shielding.

Again. We debate with proof. Try using it. In the meantime, get a grip or control your butt-hurt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Force block isn't the same as his shielding which is the point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Tyrant ever break through one of his shields ? Scan or page number ?

So you're saying thor and champion at the time they broke Thanos' shields they reached the same levels of power Galactus used or do you agree his shielding isn't always the same ?

What a poor straw-man. Is this really what you've been reduced to? Veering left and right onto tangential points that are clear mockeries of argumentation? At some point, you need to be straight here. When you're ready, let me know. In the meantime, I've already proven that you don't have to be as powerful as well-fed Galactus to wreck Thanos' shields. I've given proof of four such instances. You've provided no proof otherwise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Give me one instance where Thanos had his shields up and they weren't mentioned or drawn in. Thanos isn' tthe same as other characters also and in the same arc of blood and thunder we see the artist draw the shielding but not against Odin proving you to be wrong there.

You're the one who made the claim so please show me one instance where he had his shields up without it being clearly stated or drawn. Why draw it it all if they are always there ? I so wonder about you sometimes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You have no proof that Odin didn't use 1-2% of his power since 100% or anywhere near 100% of his power is NEVER DRAWN, SPOKEN OF or EVEN IMPLIED.

Do you know what you're doing? You're trying to get me to argue that there is no possibility that Thanos didn't use shields. In other words, you're trying to use a negative proof fallacy because you don't have the wits (much less the proof) to make your own argument that Thanos definitely used no shielding or used far weaker shielding.

Again. We debate with proof. Try using it. In the meantime, get a grip or control your butt-hurt. Odin escaping from it easily whereas PG Thor couldn't is proof that Odin was more powerful than PG Thor was at that stage. I'm afraid you're trying to argue with a notion that is really unassailable at this point. He didn't have to try. Thanos' shields proved useless in preventing Thanos from being slapped around.

What a poor straw-man. Is this really what you've been reduced to? Veering left and right onto tangential points that are clear mockeries of argumentation? At some point, you need to be straight here. When you're ready, let me know. In the meantime, I've already proven that you don't have to be as powerful as well-fed Galactus to wreck Thanos' shields. I've given proof of four such instances. You've provided no proof otherwise. Black hole. DP Tyrant. Odin. And we have different artists drawing parts of Blood and Thunder. Why you continue to open yourself up to such effective rebuttal is beyond me. I thought you cared abotu debating.

Thanos didn't have any shields up at all during their conflict. I mean there's a reason why writers and artists make it clear when they are up.

You've made an argument against particular Thanos' shields not his best which has never been the argument it's been about Thanos bringing his best against Odin like he did against Omega and Galactus.

You speculate but cannot prove it and your claims have every showing under fire since the artist or writer doesn't have to make us aware and we can assume they are always up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree Odin was more powerful than Thor was at the time he broke through his shield and agree he could shatter the same shield used against Thor. Do you feel Galactus would have to deplete the same vital energies on that said shield ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos didn't have any shields up at all during their conflict. I mean there's a reason why writers and artists make it clear when they are up.

You've made an argument against particular Thanos' shields not his best which has never been the argument it's been about Thanos bringing his best against Odin like he did against Omega and Galactus.

You speculate but cannot prove it and your claims have every showing under fire since the artist or writer doesn't have to make us aware and we can assume they are always up.

You're absurd rationale is underlined by no evidence whatsoever. Projecting your own speculations onto me again reveals how weak your position is. Accordingly, you can argue against the notion that DP Tyrant and Odin only used 1-2% of their power. I've provided no evidence for that, but as has been pointed out repeatedly, you don't feel that's an issue.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You have no proof that Odin didn't use 1-2% of his power since 100% or anywhere near 100% of his power is NEVER DRAWN, SPOKEN OF or EVEN IMPLIED.

Do you know what you're doing? You're trying to get me to argue that there is no possibility that Thanos didn't use shields. In other words, you're trying to use a negative proof fallacy because you don't have the wits (much less the proof) to make your own argument that Thanos definitely used no shielding or used far weaker shielding.

Again. We debate with proof. Try using it. In the meantime, get a grip or control your butt-hurt. Odin escaping from it easily whereas PG Thor couldn't is proof that Odin was more powerful than PG Thor was at that stage. I'm afraid you're trying to argue with a notion that is really unassailable at this point. He didn't have to try. Thanos' shields proved useless in preventing Thanos from being slapped around.

What a poor straw-man. Is this really what you've been reduced to? Veering left and right onto tangential points that are clear mockeries of argumentation? At some point, you need to be straight here. When you're ready, let me know. In the meantime, I've already proven that you don't have to be as powerful as well-fed Galactus to wreck Thanos' shields. I've given proof of four such instances. You've provided no proof otherwise. Black hole. DP Tyrant. Odin. And we have different artists drawing parts of Blood and Thunder. Why you continue to open yourself up to such effective rebuttal is beyond me. I thought you cared abotu debating.

Please point to ANY place where I said that isn't a possibility.. Point to any place I said this.. I didn't say it wasn't possible just highly unlikely and not probable at all. You keep on talking about proof.. PLEASE PROVIDE ANY PROOF THAT THANOS USED HIS SHIELDS. ANY PROOF PLEASE... IS that so hard... I have ALL the proof on my side... We've seen Thanos's shields drawn.. iwe've seen them mentioned... we've seen him call to activate it.... In the case of Odin and Tyrant we SEE NO SHIELD AT ALL.. WE SEE NO MENTION OF HIS SHIELDS.. WE SEE HIM CALL ON NOTHING... yet you go... we argue with proof LOL. That is my proof. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF HE USED SHIELDING... STILL WAITING.. If you provide nothing and don't concede a mod will have to be called because this has gone on too long. You say we argue with proof and you have ZERO proof.. I HAVE ALL THE PROOF. oooo wait your proof is... other comic book characters don't always have their shields drawn.. therefore.. Thanos has his shields up even though they weren't drawn... LOL LOL... idiot. Please provide any proof or a mod will be called into to put you in your place.

^ That's essentially what you are asking. You haven't offered any proof that Thanos either refused to use his shields or used far weaker shields. You've rested your laurels on that. The only thing I can do more, is absolutely prove without a doubt that he did not use shields or used the same shields.

I don't have to prove a negative. I don't have to make your own argument simply because you have no proof. I have proof that PG Champion and PG Thor wrecked his shields. If your wish is to assert that DP Tyrant and Odin couldn't, that's your own delusion.

But I'm not going to waste my time indulging your desperate attempts to use a negative proof fallacy or turn your own lack of evidence against me. You have no proof. That's it.

Now go ahead and deal with the fact that likewise, Odin and DP Tyrant used only 1-2% of their power. Go ahead. Deal with it. Show me exactly what you expect should be done by a reasonable person when confronting statements that have no proof to support them.