Odin vs Thanos (Rematch)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ That's essentially what you are asking. You haven't offered any proof that Thanos either refused to use his shields or used far weaker shields. You've rested your laurels on that. The only thing I can do more, is absolutely prove without a doubt that he did not use shields or used the same shields.

I don't have to prove a negative. I don't have to make your own argument simply because you have no proof. I have proof that PG Champion and PG Thor wrecked his shields. If your wish is to assert that DP Tyrant and Odin couldn't, that's your own delusion.

But I'm not going to waste my time indulging your desperate attempts to use a negative proof fallacy or turn your own lack of evidence against me. You have no proof. That's it.

Now go ahead and deal with the fact that likewise, Odin and DP Tyrant used only 1-2% of their power. Go ahead. Deal with it. Show me exactly what you expect should be done by a reasonable person when confronting statements that have no proof to support them.

Please provide ANY proof that he used shielding. I'm STILL WAITING you idiot. This isn't a negative proof fallacy.. That is WHAT YOU"RE DOING HERE. You want me to prove he wasn't using shielding when that is EXACTLY what is shown.. Let me ask you something simpleton. Do we see ANY shielding used against Tyrant or Odin.. The answer is NO.. that is my proof he used none. Wow that was hard. Was there any mention of shielding or was it even implied to be up.. NOPE we saw NO mention of it whatever so ever. You idiot YOU HAVE TO PROVE it was UP WHEN IT WAS SHOWN OR MENTIONED not the other way around. I don't have to prove a negative. You've been caught ODG.. and all the twisting can't get you out of it. either provide any proof he used shielding or concede the argument. As of now, you're ignoring forum rules and trolling. All the fancy world-play and lies can't get you out of it this time. Trying to say i'm using a fallacy, that in fact, you're using. Don't you know how bad that makes you look. Now you believe he was using his shields against Tyrant and Odin.. PLEASE PROVIDE ANY PROOF THAT HE WAS or concede.

Kurupt and ODG...durpalm.

First, stop the bashing and flaming. Pr and I tend to give more room when it's a heated debate but you both are getting too angry.

Second, if there are shields present, an artist will generally show them. If no shields are drawn then please provide proof or concede the point. There are no givens and claims must be backed.

If I have to come back in here then...mmm... bad things will happen. sneer

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which part?

This part.

The shield he used against Thor was clearly an inferior shield to what he could bring when going all out

You have no actual proof, just speculation.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please provide ANY proof that he used shielding. I'm STILL WAITING you idiot. This isn't a negative proof fallacy.. That is WHAT YOU"RE DOING HERE. You want me to prove he wasn't using shielding when that is EXACTLY what is shown.. Let me ask you something simpleton. Do we see ANY shielding used against Tyrant or Odin.. The answer is NO.. that is my proof he used none. Wow that was hard. Was there any mention of shielding or was it even implied to be up.. NOPE we saw NO mention of it whatever so ever. You idiot YOU HAVE TO PROVE it was UP WHEN IT WAS SHOWN OR MENTIONED not the other way around. I don't have to prove a negative. You've been caught ODG.. and all the twisting can't get you out of it. either provide any proof he used shielding or concede the argument. As of now, you're ignoring forum rules and trolling. All the fancy world-play and lies can't get you out of it this time. Trying to say i'm using a fallacy, that in fact, you're using. Don't you know how bad that makes you look. Now you believe he was using his shields against Tyrant and Odin.. PLEASE PROVIDE ANY PROOF THAT HE WAS or concede.

For your assertion to make sense, Thanos would have to willingly not use his shields or used weaker shields. Why would Thanos do that? Why? He is not the personality that would countenance getting slapped around if he could help it. He never announced that he wanted to test his body armor and natural durability. He used allies and experimental weaponry and outside amps between the fights against DP Tyrant and Odin... why would he decline to use his shields? Why make use of all that stuff and NOT his shields? He's not an idiot.

In any case, we both know this: despite your refusal to comprehend that you will willingly undergo character assassination, i.e., Thanos is an idiot and forgets to use his shields, and despite you're absolute utter reliance on a negative proof fallacy you still lose this argument.

Why? Because you have no proof that Odin or DP Tyrant didn't use 1-2% of his power since 100% or anywhere near 100% of his power is NEVER DRAWN, SPOKEN OF or EVEN IMPLIED.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Now go ahead and deal with the fact that likewise, Odin and DP Tyrant used only 1-2% of their power. Go ahead. Deal with it. Show me exactly what you expect should be done by a reasonable person when confronting statements that have no proof to support them.

Originally posted by Badabing
Kurupt and ODG...durpalm.

First, stop the bashing and flaming. Pr and I tend to give more room when it's a heated debate but you both are getting too angry.

Originally posted by Badabing
Second, if there are shields present, an artist will generally show them. If no shields are drawn then please provide proof or concede the point. There are no givens and claims must be backed.

I'm not going to prove a negative. It's a mockery of argumentation. If you ask that of me, prove you will take it seriously. Respect and concede my negative proof argument first.

lol.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Don't blame me for his propensity to escalate his own anger. Doom's shields are not generally drawn. Fact. They weren't even drawn when he got blasted by IG-Thanos. When Odin is fighting seriously it is generally shown that he exclaims he is drawing upon the Odin power, amps, grows large, etc. He didn't do so in his fight against Thanos. Odin used 1-2% power?

I'm not going to prove a negative. It's a mockery of argumentation. If you ask that of me, prove you will take it seriously. Respect and concede my negative proof argument first.

Read my post again.

Originally posted by Badabing
Kurupt and ODG...durpalm.

First, stop the bashing and flaming. Pr and I tend to give more room when it's a heated debate but you both are getting too angry.

Second, if there are shields present, an artist will generally show them. If no shields are drawn then please provide proof or concede the point. There are no givens and claims must be backed.

If I have to come back in here then...mmm... bad things will happen. sneer

Again this is not me debating, it's me modding. Whoever is claiming shields needs to back up their claims or concede the point.

Thanos wasnt using shiellds against Odin its clear as day he just tanked the first blast and the Odin increased the power of his blasts from then on( if he had used shields you would have seen them break/crumble, as he didnt simply tank the rest of the blasts).

Spam edit.

Let me make this clear. I am modding, not debating. So don't spam up this thread with replies to me. Unfortunately for you I get the last word since I'm making a ruling regarding a report. Next time you reply it's a warning. Take it to a PM. Back your claims with proof or concede the point. Backing claims with proof has been in the rules for years.

Fine.

Here's proof then, an old argument that focuses on character propensity:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You seriously think Thanos didn't employ personal shielding against Tyrant either? Ridiculous. He was nearly killed by Tyrant. Thanos went into both of those fights testing his might against their's in full-fledged fights. You're assuming he dropped his own personal shields, utilized full attacks (and even in the Tyrant fight, an amped attack) and specifically dropped his personal durability enhancements, i.e., forcefields? If he wanted to drop all extra durability, then why not remove his damn body armor? So now... both fights were tests of how much his body armor could take?

This is an exceptionally ridiculous aggrandization of Thanos at the expense of common sense. I can equally argue that Odin purposefully lowered his might to a miniscule amount (because there isn't any proof he didn't) assuming it would be enough to beat Thanos. But this would be just a facile and self-serving attempt to aggrandize Odin. So I won't argue it. Because it's preposterous. Just as this myth that Thanos purposefully dropped all forcefields against Tyrant and Odin is. Thanos isn't an idiot.

Originally posted by Badabing
People seem to not understand that when a mod responds to reports and we post, we're not debating but modding and there shouldn't be replies, excuses or more arguing. Concerns can be taken to a PM.

Read my post again.
The onus is on the person saying there are shields. I post clearly states that person needs to prove the use of said shields. That's not proving a negative, but is backing claims made. If there is no art depicting shields or no dialogue stating the use of shields then that person needs to concede the point.

Again this is not me debating, it's me modding. Whoever is claiming shields needs to back up their claims or concede the point.

Thank u. No shields drawn, implied or even hinted at... yet he has the audacity to say i need to prove he wasnt using shielding... that is the proof... lol. He is making a claim n cant provide any proof he was...but goes my proof is sometimes they arent drawn in other characters..lol lol

^ I've just provided proof. You haven't countered Thanos' character propensity to use shielding in a serious fight.

We both know that characters, even in the same storyline, even the same artist, don't always draw shields where NEVERTHELESS clearly, they use shields. Still the onus is on me to prove that they did make use of them. I've provided an argument that he did. Feel free to counter it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I've just provided proof. You haven't countered Thanos' character propensity to use shielding in a serious fight.

We both know that characters, even in the same storyline, even the same artist, don't always draw shields where NEVERTHELESS clearly, they use shields. Still the onus is on me to prove that they did make use of them. I've provided an argument that he did. Feel free to counter it.

^ I'm saying it is far more likely that he did use shielding against Odin because he uses it a lot and even used it two issues prior against PG Thor (who was far weaker than Odin).

It makes little sense that going up against a far more dangerous opponent, Thanos would toss his shields aside. If he wanted no durability enhancements, he could have taken off his armor. He didn't. This is simply an instance of an artist not portraying the forcefield and the writer not bothering to mention it.

We've seen that happen before. Accordingly, given Thanos' propensity, I'm arguing it's more likely than not this is what happened here. I'll not rest my laurels on the mere fact that it happens in comics. I'm relying on Thanos' personality here.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Fine.

Here's proof then, an old argument that focuses on character propensity:

that is ur proof.. no proof what so ever. unreal.

ur argument is he always has shields.. they just get broken by people... problem is that is absolutly false. We have seen hulk punch thanos n move is hit from contact.. ur saying a simple punch from hulk broke, while it took great effort for exponentially stronger people like galactus n omega to break them... LOL do u understand how dumb u look claiming that? Gamora, mar-veil, the thing have simple punched thanos once n according to u broken his shields since we see it hit him... lol. Is this how bad ur arguing has become?

What is worse is there ZERO narration EVER stating that he always has his shields up. none. What is even worse is we see him calling on them n activating them ON PANEL PROVING they arent always up. Even worse we know there are varying degrees of them...in the omega fight he specifically mentions being lucky he used all 3 of his tech shields or he was dead. That proves without question he has has a variety of shielding to employ which again, u have conceided this before but no lie cause u were caught...

to make it even worse.. ur claiming they were broke.. yet when that has happened he ghas mentioned them breaking or near failing... see galactus... omega.. champion.. against omega they werent shown... yet we see him mention them failing huh? where was that mention when he fought odin n tyrant? oooo wait it wasnt huh? they werent even shown, hinted at, or implied in anyway to be there huh?

all in al u have made urself look really bad asking for proof when that onus is on u... n u have nada... thanks for playing odg

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I've just provided proof. You haven't countered Thanos' character propensity to use shielding in a serious fight.

We both know that characters, even in the same storyline, even the same artist, don't always draw shields where NEVERTHELESS clearly, they use shields. Still the onus is on me to prove that they did make use of them. I've provided an argument that he did. Feel free to counter it.

u provided NO proof only speculation. Let me know when u actually have proof not ur silly speculation. my paragraph above makes ur theory n u look worse than u already do. I destroyed ur theory that his shields are always up. Anyways we are done here... let me know when u have proof

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'm saying it is far more likely that he did use shielding against Odin because he uses it a lot and even used it two issues prior against PG Thor (who was far weaker than Odin).

It makes little sense that going up against a far more dangerous opponent, Thanos would toss his shields aside. If he wanted no durability enhancements, he could have taken off his armor. He didn't. This is simply an instance of an artist not portraying the forcefield and the writer not bothering to mention it.

We've seen that happen before. Accordingly, given Thanos' propensity, I'm arguing it's more likely than not this is what happened here. I'll not rest my laurels on the mere fact that it happens in comics. I'm relying on Thanos' personality here.

And if he did use his shield with Odins first blast why didnt he use them on the rest of them? and there was no indication of his "shields" breaking or shattering.

Thanos hasnt always used shields agaisnt dangerous opponents, he never used them against Walker, The Dopplegnger(whi was more powerful than him) Maker(who koed his in one blast) or Afro Magus w/soul gem.

Imo the Odin/Thanos fight was more of a ego fest, which Thanos came worse off.

^ Doom never explicitly used force-fields that inured to every contour of his body down to his fingers until we were explicitly shown that. Neither did Iron Man. Just because Mark Bagley did and other's didn't, doesn't mean that every time it's not shown that way, Doom isn't using force-fields. It's obvious he's had his forcefields against several attacks where it's not shown as a globe (not shown as anything frankly) WAAAAY before Mark Bagley portrayed it inuring to his body in Mighty Avengers. It's simply a difference in artist portrayal.

Sometimes Wolverine is tall, other's he's short. Just because Leinil Yu portrays him as tall doesn't mean that every time he's not shown that way, he had his height amped for that comic. It's simpyl a difference in artist portrayal.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
u provided NO proof only speculation. Let me know when u actually have proof not ur silly speculation. my paragraph above makes ur theory n u look worse than u already do. I destroyed ur theory that his shields are always up. Anyways we are done here... let me know when u have proof

Originally posted by Existere

That possibility has happened in comics. You obviously don't deny that. What you're denying here is that it is less likely. I posit to you, given Thanos' character propensity and his situation, that was not the case. If you wish to refute that and give me reasons why it is not likely, go ahead.

Originally posted by Nihilist
But he has never ever used shields that are molded to the shape of his body. ALL his shields have been shwon to be at least a few feet away from his body, even the shield he used against power gem Thor( which he held at arms length).

And if he did use his shield with Odins first blast why didnt he use them on the rest of them? and there was no indication of his "shields" breaking or shattering.

Thanos hasnt always used shields agaisnt dangerous opponents, he never used them against Walker, The Dopplegnger(whi was more powerful than him) Maker(who koed his in one blast) or Afro Magus w/soul gem.

Imo the Odin/Thanos fight was more of a ego fest, which Thanos came worse off.

guess what ODG believes... thanos shields are always up...lol. Even though this has Never ever been said in his entire history... even though we have seen The thing, Gamora, Mantis & Mar-veil just to name a few... ACCORDING to ODG BREAK HIS SHIELDS IN ONE SHOT. We see those blows strike Thanos and move his head ... Hmmm those guys can get through his shields in one shot... yet Omega and Galactus had to strain to do so... not only does it not make logically sense but it destroys his theory that all his shields are the same level. What is worse.. we've seen thanos CALL on his shields to raise them a few times on panel. Why call on them if they are always up just not shown... I swear... he is just making himself look this bad.