Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Galactus goes to face Odin... doesn't seem scared or threatened by Odin at all.. in fact he acts like always does against tough foes like Agamotto, In-Betweener, Mephisto, Ego etc etc.. demeaning and unconcered about them... This is in stark contrast to how he acted when he realized he was going to face Tyrant... The first time he backed down for fear of galaxies being destroyed.. the second time.. he prepped and fed before the battle...

And what about the times when he faced the Galactus engine, Mikaboshi, Thanos w/IG, Magus w/Cosmic Cubes and Abraxas without fear? Does that mean Tyrant is more powerful than them?

Originally posted by Sundipped
The thing about that though is the fact that all the energy projection came from the orb. Not Thanos.

But Tyrant never acknowledges the orb as part of Thanos' power. Quite the opposite in fact. After the first blast, Tyrant comments that Thanos is more than the others. Kind of a ridiculous statement if his power was being augmented to begin with.

^ Not sure it matters.

Because even if what Sundipped says is true, that actually renders the possibility that "Tyrant's B-E energy absorption = auto-win" even more suspect... since he wasn't even absorbing energies he had already siphoned in one form or another.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That would tend against Tyrant being more impressive than Odin... since Tyrant fought an unshielded Thanos. Think for a second.

When you get over the fact that Tyrant got toppled by Thanos, and Tyrant didn't one-shot heralds as easily as Odin did, and Odin wasn't even close to appearing to be going all-out, let me know. Until then, seizing upon the non-finality of Odin's fight -- which was interrupted by Sif -- isn't advancing your case. I'm sure if Ganymede stopped Tyrant's fight before it's inevitable conclusion, people would be drooling at how much of a stalemate it was.

Funny enough, u also didn't mention the galactus part... Ya know how he wasn't even worried about odin nor did he prep for him nor back down... Yet with tyrant he die just that.

You mentioning heralds is comical as I have said before... Heroes last longer than they should sometimes. Mind you its not like Tyrant struggled he basically one or two shot them all. Celestials have failed to one shot Thor.. yet we know they are above odin. Shit odin has failed to one shot Thor as well... Him not one shotting heralds means little when this commonly happens with heroes n big bad villians and changes nothing as the comic made it clear he was well above them

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
please point to any part of my post where I referenced finality of the fight making a difference. What I did re, was the fact that thanos never backed down from odin nor did he have any fear of dying. Yet with tyrant he did both. Don't think I didn't notice u not mentioning the most important part of my post that makes it crystal clear who did better against thanos... Ya know the part where thanos admitted he would be killed fighting a guy he prepped n amped for.. yet didn't do any such thing against a opponent he didn't prep for nor even wanna fight.

Funny enough, u also didn't mention the galactus part... Ya know how he wasn't even worried about odin nor did he prep for him nor back down... Yet with tyrant he die just that.

Your constant harping about the lack of any admissions by Thanos of inferiority to Odin is simply misguided reliance on the absence of evidence. Like celestialdemon already effectively countered, Galactus faced many more formidable opponents than Tyrant without statements of hesitation. Does that absence of evidence mean Tyrant is somehow more dangerous than them because Galactus had expressed hesitation with Tyrant? No.

Try focusing on actual evidence instead of the absence of evidence...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You mentioning heralds is comical as I have said before... Heroes last longer than they should sometimes. Mind you its not like Tyrant struggled he basically one or two shot them all. Celestials have failed to one shot Thor.. yet we know they are above odin. Shit odin has failed to one shot Thor as well... Him not one shotting heralds means little when this commonly happens with heroes n big bad villians and changes nothing as the comic made it clear he was well above them

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Not sure it matters.

Because even if what Sundipped says is true, that actually renders the possibility that "Tyrant's B-E energy absorption = auto-win" even more suspect... since he wasn't even absorbing energies he had already siphoned in one form or another.

Too bad we can't really ask Terrax exactly why Tyrant's orbs are his greatest asset and biggest liability huh? Seemed like it would be ineffective but as it turned out, that wasn't the case.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
But Tyrant never acknowledges the orb as part of Thanos' power. Quite the opposite in fact. After the first blast, Tyrant comments that Thanos is more than the others. Kind of a ridiculous statement if his power was being augmented to begin with.

He could have been alluding to the fact that Thanos actually had the sense to prep first and confront him with his own weapon.

Why would Thanos even need the orb in the first place if he could channel enough required energy on his own? He would've never taken Terrax's advice.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Too bad we can't really ask Terrax exactly why Tyrant's orbs are his greatest asset and biggest liability huh? Seemed like it would be ineffective but as it turned out, that wasn't the case.

Again, it's arguable, but it's highly circumstantial at best, and as it currently stands, unproven.

Originally posted by Galan007

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In fact, that bio alludes to the pantheons of earth gods being created after mankind

It alludes to both the earth pantheons and Elder Gods with the Elder Gods created first shortly after earth was created.

Originally posted by Sundipped
It alludes to both the earth pantheons and Elder Gods with the Elder Gods created first shortly after earth was created.

The Demiurge itself, the "father" of ALL the gods, is the sentient life force of Earth's biosphere. Tyrant would eat him and his children as snacks.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I just think the whole idea that Tyrant could readily absorb any pantheon's attacks because they're "biospheric" would make more sense had he absorbed Thanos' -- y'know.. a descendant of the Eternals offshoot, the Titans.

WTH are you talking about? The Celestials created the Eternals, they weren't spawned from biospheric energy. The Celestials took existing creatures and experimented on them to produce the Deviants and Eternals and humanity.

All the Gods are directly linked to the biospheric energy of the Demiurge. It created the Elders and then Atum devoured them and reseeded the biosphere with the energy of the fallen Elders and that gave rise to the next generation of Gods.

Originally posted by zopzop
WTH are you talking about? The Celestials created the Eternals, they weren't spawned from biospheric energy. The Celestials took existing creatures and experimented on them to produce the Deviants and Eternals and humanity.

All the Gods are directly linked to the biospheric energy of the Demiurge. It created the Elders and then Atum devoured them and reseeded the biosphere with the energy of the fallen Elders and that gave rise to the next generation of Gods.

But Sersi and Starfox being immune to Tyrant's B-E energy absorption powers is awesome. I don't care that this theory is complete speculation, the way you're trying to sell it, it's becoming too much win to debunk.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I could argue about the origins of the Eternals with you.

Has there been a retcon? Last time I checked the Celestials experimented with Earth creatures and that's how they produced the Eternals, Deviants, and humans (eventually after evolving from early mammals).

Originally posted by Sundipped
He could have been alluding to the fact that Thanos actually had the sense to prep first and confront him with his own weapon.

Doesn't seem as likely as Tyrant simply acknowledging Thanos' power, especially after just taking a direct blast from him.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Why would Thanos even need the orb in the first place if he could channel enough required energy on his own? He would've never taken Terrax's advice.

I always thought his reasons were two-fold. One, he thought the orb was the source of Tyrant's power and wanted it for himself; and two, he wanted to test himself against Tyrant. That was the whole point of the series to begin with. Thanos was bored and wanted to fight someone who was a challenge. It wouldn't make sense for him to inflate his power in order to meet that challenge.

Also, at the end of the series, Thanos was using a machine to tap into the orb's power. If he could do it at will, why bother with the machine?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I just think the whole idea that Tyrant could readily absorb any pantheon's attacks because they're "biospheric" would make more sense had he absorbed Thanos' -- y'know.. a descendant of the Eternals offshoot, the Titans.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Doesn't seem as likely as Tyrant simply acknowledging Thanos' power, especially after just taking a direct blast from him.

It was already stated on panel that it was Morg's energy. Most likely amplified from "charging" so to speak while sitting in that containment unit. This was not Thanos's power.

I always thought his reasons were two-fold. One, he thought the orb was the source of Tyrant's power and wanted it for himself; and two, he wanted to test himself against Tyrant. That was the whole point of the series to begin with. Thanos was bored and wanted to fight someone who was a challenge. It wouldn't make sense for him to inflate his power in order to meet that challenge.

Yes he wanted the power and yes he wanted to test Tyrant. But he didn't want to test Tyrant without this power. Thanos knows Tyrants orgin and what he was up against. That was his reason for asking Terrax for info. Normally you fight to win/take the prize (orb). If Thanos was confident he would've done it. He did it the other way around, he got the prize first then fought. Direct indication of him needing aid.

Also, at the end of the series, Thanos was using a machine to tap into the orb's power. If he could do it at will, why bother with the machine?

Could have been the same kinda unit like what Tyrant had. Likely capable of charging the orb. He did use a considerable amount of energy vs. Tyrant. Had to be to even affect him.

Originally posted by Sundipped
It alludes to both the earth pantheons and Elder Gods with the Elder Gods created first shortly after earth was created.

The bio says:
*Demiurge is formed by earth's biosphere.
*Demiurge creates the Elder Gods.
*Demiurge/Gaea create Atum.
*Atum kills the remaining Elders.
*Atum leaves and seeds the heavens with the "Godstuff" he'd absorbed.
*Eons pass, and mankind comes into being.
*Mankind's consciousness taps the "Godstuff" Atum seeded throughout the heavens, subsequently birthing earth's pantheons of Gods.

Ergo: this bio states that humans second-handedly created earth's pantheons of Gods -- which, as we know now, isn't correct. Additionally, the opinion that earth's God's are formed of B-S-E doesn't strike me as correct either, if this bio is to be believed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Mankind's consciousness taps the "Godstuff" Atum seeded throughout the heavens, subsequently birthing earth's pantheons of Gods.Ergo: this bio states that humans second-handedly created earth's pantheons of Gods -- which, as we know now, isn't correct.

It took a combination of the "Godstuff" + mandkind's consciousness to create the earth pantheons according to the bio. One couldn't have did it without the other.

What do you mean by "as we know now, isn't correct"?

Additionally, the opinion that earth's God's are formed of B-S-E doesn't strike me as correct either, if this bio is to be believed.

If you check the bio you'll see everything is connected to the biosphere. Important points to look at:

1.Biosphere already existed. Sentinent life force called Demiurge. So Demiurge = biosphere.
2.Demiurge alligned earth with Celestial axis and spreaded his seed over earth which triggered creation of Elder Gods.
3.Gaea mated with the Demiurge and produced Atum. Atum killed and absorbed Elder Gods (essence of which was birthed from Demiurge to begin with which basically = Biospheric energy which in turn = "Godstuff"😉.
4.Mankind came into existence and it's consciousness taped into this "Godstuff" and produced Gods in mans image.

If you backtrack through the bio, every god, Skyfather and Elder can attribute it's existence to the biosphere. It's nothing but a chain reaction with the earth patheon recieving a little help from mandkind's consciousness.

Once again this is in reference to the bio.
There may be other sources/bios/on panel evidence credited with the gods orgins.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You are referencing the finality of Thanos' fight with Tyrant. Acting like Thanos' coming to terms with how his fight with Tyrant would have ended somehow distinguishes it from his fight with Odin. Thanos didn't even end his fight with Odin or come close to its end because it was interrupted by Sif.

Your constant harping about the lack of any admissions by Thanos of inferiority to Odin is simply misguided reliance on the absence of evidence. Like celestialdemon already effectively countered, Galactus faced many more formidable opponents than Tyrant without statements of hesitation. Does that absence of evidence mean Tyrant is somehow more dangerous than them because Galactus had expressed hesitation with Tyrant? No.

Try focusing on actual evidence instead of the absence of evidence... ... or you could completely ignore the actual evidence. Typical.

Well in fact there is something that distinguishes the fight... In both fights... Thanos was told his defeat was assured by both Odin and Tyrant. Yet, ONLY in the case of Tyrant did thanos agree he would be killed. With Odin, he not only never conceded he would be defeated during the numerous exchanges and claims Odin made about his defeat. Not once did he agree, and not only did he not agree, he felt like he was going to win in the end. Tyrant said he was going to kill him once.. Thanos agreeed he would. Odin said something to that effect numerous times as well as asking him to yield.. in every instance he disagreed or didn't back down. That just further proves my point.

Can you name these stronger foes he's faced as I'm curious who you're referring to... Agamotto.. in betweener.. ego... T&A.. who are you referring to. What we do know, is that he's faced very powerful foes and I can't recal him ever backing down from them EVEN when hungry. Not only does he not back down from them.. he doesn't feed nor prep to fight them. Even Odin, he didn't seem the least bit concerned about Odin or him being a threat. You trying to deny this has any significance or bearing on anything is amusing. Of course it does. If you have someone who has a history of not being fearful of foes nor feeding before facing a foe.. when he does do so... it certainly is a red flag like hey... he must feel threatened by him. Which of course makes sense, cause ya know, he was made in Galactus image. Ya know, cause the first time they might it was a long long battle that clearly Galactus had to work for. So when Tyrant has said he's gotten enough power back and at the HEIGHT of his powers... your damn right Galactus would know he's in for a fight and needed to feed and prepare for this battle.