Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by Sundipped
It took a combination of the "Godstuff" + mandkind's consciousness to create the earth pantheons according to the bio. One couldn't have did it without the other.

What do you mean by "as we know now, isn't correct"?

If you check the bio you'll see everything is connected to the biosphere. Important points to look at:

1.Biosphere already existed. Sentinent life force called Demiurge. So Demiurge = biosphere.
2.Demiurge alligned earth with Celestial axis and spreaded his seed over earth which triggered creation of Elder Gods.
3.Gaea mated with the Demiurge and produced Atum. Atum killed and absorbed Elder Gods (essence of which was birthed from Demiurge to begin with which basically = Biospheric energy which in turn = "Godstuff"😉.
4.Mankind came into existence and it's consciousness taped into this "Godstuff" and produced Gods in mans image.

If you backtrack through the bio, every god, Skyfather and Elder can attribute it's existence to the biosphere. It's nothing but a chain reaction with the earth patheon recieving a little help from mandkind's consciousness.

The bio states that Demiurge was forged of the biosphere. Then Demiurge creates the Elder Gods. Then Atum is created to kill the Elders. Then Atum dissipates the power he absorbed from the Elders. Then mankind is created. Then mankind creates earth's pantheons of gods from the energy Atum dissipated.

I feel like you're trying to play "7 Degrees of Kevin Bacon" here. ermm

The Elder God retcon is outdated and stupid. It contradicts almost everything that came before and after. It doesn't exactly fit seamlessly with the Norse Origin introduced in the same era either.

Asgardian's weren't created by man, most of the time it's the other way around. They definitely predate man and currently predate the Universe.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Asgardian's weren't created by man, most of the time it's the other way around. They definitely predate man and currently predate the Universe.

predate the universe.... HUH?

As far as I can tell, Bor and his sons predate the current cycle of creation or whatever you want to call it. If there's any debate, it'll be settled when #7 of Mighty Thor is released. We get a flashback focusing on Odin's childhood .

I wonder how Fraction will fit the Serpent into the All Father's history. What about his other two brothers? He'll probably just ignore whatever he doesn't like.

Originally posted by Galan007
A+B=C, right? Yeah, not buying it.

The bio states that Demiurge was forged of the biosphere. Then Demiurge creates the Elder Gods. Then Atum is created to kill the Elders. Then Atum dissipates the power he absorbed from the Elders. Then mankind is created. Then mankind creates earth's pantheons of gods from the energy Atum dissipated.

I feel like you're trying to play "7 Degrees of Kevin Bacon" here. ermm

In current continuity, Gods predate mankind.

That's why using scans/bios from 30+ years ago isn't always a good thing.

Originally posted by Galan007
In current continuity, Gods predate mankind.

That's why using scans/bios from 30+ years ago isn't always a good thing.

The Bio was as recent as 2007 or so. Also Thor 300 was referenced recently in Invincible Hercules (during the Sacred Invasion arc).

All the Thomas era retcons are out the window. Simonson retconned the origin of the Asgardians soon after actually. Did he really have to shit on Asgardian lore that much just to introduce the Eternals and Celestials into Marvel continuity?

Originally posted by zopzop
The Bio was as recent as 2007 or so. Also Thor 300 was referenced recently in Invincible Hercules (during the Sacred Invasion arc).

Asgardians predate man. That was the case long before the Elder God retcon and it's the stance currently. Not really sure what's so hard to understand.

The Gods can be affected by mortal prayer etc. but that's about the extent of it.

DP Tyrant is nowhere near his original levels, when Galactus fought fora second time Galactus was winning, but he made a mistake and us his teh which also has bio sphere energy which gave him the power he needed, fighting Odin he would not have that luxury. Odin his a mystical/cosmic being by nature, Odin going all out can tap into the full power of the Odin-force which he will grow in size.

If Thanos can phase Tyrant with punch and wasn't amp with the orb and this same Thanos couldn't even budge Odin, then what the hell do you think Odin will do too Tyrant with a punch or b***h slap. Odin is above DP tyrant period end of story, unless we see DP Tyrant takes out a Celestial he is screwed big time.

Originally posted by the Darkone
DP Tyrant is nowhere near his original levels, when Galactus fought fora second time Galactus was winning, but he made a mistake and us his teh which also has bio sphere energy which gave him the power he needed, fighting Odin he would not have that luxury. Odin his a mystical/cosmic being by nature, Odin going all out can tap into the full power of the Odin-force which he will grow in size.

If Thanos can phase Tyrant with punch and wasn't amp with the orb and this same Thanos couldn't even budge Odin, then what the hell do you think Odin will do too Tyrant with a punch or b***h slap. Odin is above DP tyrant period end of story, unless we see DP Tyrant takes out a Celestial he is screwed big time.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
All the Thomas era retcons are out the window. Simonson retconned the origin of the Asgardians soon after actually. Did he really have to shit on Asgardian lore that much just to introduce the Eternals and Celestials into Marvel continuity?

Asgardians predate man. That was the case long before the Elder God retcon and it's the stance currently. Not really sure what's so hard to understand.

The Gods can be affected by mortal prayer etc. but that's about the extent of it.

Simonson undid Thomas BS work that water down Asgardian lore, just introduce the Eternals and Celestial which I agree with rage on. Pantheons of the God's predate humans and eternals since majority of the eternals came from humans and altered by the Celestial testing.

Originally posted by the Darkone
DP Tyrant is nowhere near his original levels, when Galactus fought fora second time Galactus was winning, but he made a mistake and us his teh which also has bio sphere energy which gave him the power he needed, fighting Odin he would not have that luxury. Odin his a mystical/cosmic being by nature, Odin going all out can tap into the full power of the Odin-force which he will grow in size.

Nice theory, except you are forgetting their (Galactus and DP Tyrant's) first encounter since Tyrant's exile, Galactus came searching for Morg and he was pissed (Firelord even mentions this) :

Yet he backed down from a fight with "DP" Tyrant.

If Thanos can phase Tyrant with punch and wasn't amp with the orb and this same Thanos couldn't even budge Odin, then what the hell do you think Odin will do too Tyrant with a punch or b***h slap. Odin is above DP tyrant period end of story, unless we see DP Tyrant takes out a Celestial he is screwed big time.

Tyrant was unfazed till Thanos blasted him in the face with the Orb, then Tyrant was feeling Thanos' attacks (exactly like Terrax told Thanos, the Orbs are his greatest asset and his greatest vulnerability should it be used against him). But orb or no orb, Thanos ran from that fight. He was up for more vs Odin.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Simonson undid Thomas BS work that water down Asgardian lore, just introduce the Eternals and Celestial which I agree with rage on. Pantheons of the God's predate humans and eternals since majority of the eternals came from humans and altered by the Celestial testing.

Did he? Like I said earlier, that encounter with the Celestials was referenced by Athena during the "Sacred Invasion" arc in Invincible Hercules.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Where on earth are you getting Odin is beyond Tyrant from ? Odin couldn't even faze a Celestial and ko'd himself after growing supersize against Galactus unlike Tyrant who made him bleed. Please make sense.

This is Dp Tyrant he is not above Odin, DP tyrant didn't do anything to believe that he is above Odin or his equal.Dp Tyrant couldn't faze the Celestial either, so whats your point. My point is clear DP Tyrant is below Odin, and that's my imo.

You mean other than looking better against Thanos and Galactus... two similiar foes? Sure other than that.. no.. only those are two key fights we can look at...

Odin 8-10.

Originally posted by the Darkone
This is Dp Tyrant he is not above Odin, DP tyrant didn't do anything to believe that he is above Odin or his equal.Dp Tyrant couldn't faze the Celestial either, so whats your point. My point is clear DP Tyrant is below Odin, and that's my imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He looked better against Thanos and Galactus and has never met a Celestial. There's no basis whatsoever for people to proclaim Odin is mightier than Tyrant and never has been. This recent showing has only made it worse for Odin supporters here.

He didnt look better against Odin; Odin had him in a position where he could have run Gungnir through the back of his neck and killed him...

In addition, Thanos was unable to do anything significant to Odin at all...

Originally posted by Galan007
A+B=C, right? Yeah, not buying it.

The bio states that Demiurge was forged of the biosphere. Then Demiurge creates the Elder Gods. Then Atum is created to kill the Elders. Then Atum dissipates the power he absorbed from the Elders. Then mankind is created. Then mankind creates earth's pantheons of gods from the energy Atum dissipated.

I feel like you're trying to play "7 Degrees of Kevin Bacon" here. ermm

Oh well. It is what it is.
You don't have to buy it. Like I said earlier there may be other up to date sources/retcons/on panel evidence stating otherwise.