what if batman's and spider-man's rouges gallery switched?
what if batman made an agreement with pete to handle his guys and vice-versa.
-fights are out of ten each
-full tech
spider-man in gotham faces:
-joker
-freeze
-bane
-shiva
-ra's-al-ghul
-clay face
-kgbeast
-prometheus
-man-bat
-poison ivy
batman in manhattan faces:
-lizard
-carnage
-rhino
-doc ock
-hydro-man
-sandman
-electro
-green goblin
-kraven the hunter
-mysterio
you can just copy and paste the list with an x/10 result beside it.
Spider-man gets traumatized really really badly in the first 24 hours. The memories of seeing Joker and the rest of those guys in action will never fade and he'll be traumatized forever and ever.
Batman (due to his massive Jobber Aura) still comes on top no matter that now he's fighting people who are infinitely superior to him in terms of power, just like it happens in DC all the time.
Re: what if batman's and spider-man's rouges gallery switched?
Good one. This is kinda hard.
spider-man in gotham faces:
-joker-->7/10
-freeze-->9-10/10
-bane-->8-9/10
-shiva-->8-9/10
-ra's-al-ghul-->8-9/10
-clay face-->5-6/10
-kgbeast-->7-8/10
-prometheus-->7/10
-man-bat-->10/10
-poison ivy-->5/10
batman in manhattan faces:
-lizard-->4-5/10
-carnage-->3/10
-rhino--6-7/10
-doc ock-->4/10
-hydro-man-->2-3/10
-sandman-->2-3/10
-electro-->2/10
-green goblin-->4/10
-kraven the hunter-->8/10
-mysterio-->5/10
Hm, I hope I did them both justice. I tried hard to really place both Spidey and Batman in each other's position and to see how they would handle these opponents. I considered how one of the heros defeated their enemy, then switched the heroes, and determine whether or not the other hero could win that way (or any other way), too.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Batman would own Mysterio .... I don't think he'd do as well as you seem to think against Kraven though.
You really think so? Against Mysterio? One of the main things that saves Peter a lot against him is his spider-sense and then using his superhuman abilities in conjunction with it. What does Batman have that would help him against Mysterio?
And Kraven, well, you make a good point (I also didn't really take my time on that one). Upon some further consideration, I think Batman would go 5-6/10 against Kraven.
Dealing with Gotham's villains would cause Spidey to become much darker than than we've ever known him. Once he realizes what he's dealing with he cleans up Gotham quick. Poison Ivy and Ra's being are the two I can't see him stopping on a regular.
With prep Bats brings sonics, serums, moleculer destabulizers etc and does well but eventually gets killed.
spider-man in gotham faces:
-joker- 0/10
-freeze-7/10
-bane- 2/10
-shiva- 3/10
-ra's-al-ghul-0/10
-clay face-0/10
-kgbeast-8/10
-prometheus-4/10
-man-bat-6/10
-poison ivy-7/10
batman in manhattan faces:
-lizard-8/10
-carnage-9/10
-rhino-10/10
-doc ock-9/10
-hydro-man-10/10
-sandman-7/10
-electro-10/10
-green goblin-9/10
-kraven the hunter-10/10
-mysterio-10/10
thats how it goes imo
Originally posted by carnage52****, if joker got word of pete's
joker wouldnt **** about like goblin no kidnapping for him just dunk aunt may in a tub of acid.hed fare well against some but would get pwned by shiva bane and prometheus also ras could handle him well.batman would be able to take down these as hes faced far worse and still came out fighting
but if joker mutilated aunt may...he will see a very different side of spider-man...and i for one wouldn't want a distraught spider-man on my ass. (no homo)
i think we had this a little while back - the general concensus(sp?) was that Humans tend not to do so well against Spidey Villains - the ABC ones anyway, ya'know the Venoms Carnages Ocks Elektos Rhinos Sandmen and Goblins. No doubt Bruce with prep stands a chance, i just mean..well..
Heck i'll say it, Spidey doesnt even REALLY do too well against his own Enemies ^^ he usually has to take a little pounding before he goes away and use s his brain (calls in favour) or what ever.
And that non prep'd pounding spidey takes is the difference in a non-prep'd battle that would see Bats 6 feet below.
imo
Originally posted by psycho gundamjoker would kill hom easier in his distraught state of mind as hed be off balance.
****, if joker got word of pete's
family's residence....bad stuff there.but if joker mutilated aunt may...he will see a very different side of spider-man...and i for one wouldn't want a distraught spider-man on my ass. (no homo)
Originally posted by carver9
The thing about spiderman is that he dont do so good against high rank martial artist and batman enemies is full of them. About half on the list I could see getting a good majority against spiderman.
agree there, ..just except for the ones who would go down with 1 20+ ton punch from Pete, which he is capable of getting.
i heerz he be dedly fasts!
spider-man in gotham faces:
Well Batman's rogue's gallery tends to be more cerebral and use nastier means in population and such. That being said most if not all of them are severely lacking physically compared to others. So then I'll give it a prep take, and a straight up fight
-joker 3/10, 10/10
-freeze 7/10 , 3/10
-bane 10/10, 10/10
-shiva 10/10, 8/10
-ra's-al-ghul 2/10, 10/10
-clay face 10/10, 0/10
-kgbeast 10/10, 10/10
-prometheus 4-5/10, 8/10
-man-bat 10/10, 10/10
-poison ivy 3-4/10, 0/10
batman in manhattan faces:
Spider-man's rogues tend to be a lot more physical, and a lot more straight up brutal. Some of them possessing better standard tech then
Batman himself. On the same token they tend to be less skilled fighters, and more easy to manipulate.
-lizard 10/10, 2-3/10
-carnage 7/10, 0/10
-rhino 10/10, 2-3/10
-doc ock 6-7/10, 1-2/10
-hydro-man 10/10, 0/10
-sandman 10/10, 0/10
-electro 6/10, 1-2/10
-green goblin 7/10, 2/10
-kraven the hunter 8-9/10, 4/10
-mysterio 8/10, 10/10
OK then my final verdict on the subject is this:
Is that Spiderman generally does better in straight up random scenarios, while Batman does better in prep ones. Now people tend to forget that Spiderman isn't stupid and has done various smart things many times.
On the other hand Batman while yes generally does take on people way out of his weight class, most heroes do, he generally does it through prep or previous knowledge of the person. On the other hand we have seen where, when faced with overwhelming physical superiority, he has been beaten down. Slade becomes a perfect image of this.