what if batman's and spider-man's rouges gallery switched?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It doesn't seem to me like the thread frames the question of how they fare in terms of an arena style battle.

If it's asking that then the scenario favors Spider-Man as he and his gallery of rogues are more reliant on brute strength, while Batman and his villains are generally more cerebral planners. Batman is physically outclassed in most cases, while Spider-Man physically outclasses most, but not all of Batman's rogues.

If it's instead asking who would fare better in general dealing with the other's enemies then the scenario favors whomever is more adaptable and/or intellectual in their approach to their enmity. In which case, while Spider-Man is intelligent and adaptable, Batman is more so. And villains like the Joker or Ra's could very well destroy Spider-Man far worse than simply killing him. Never go for the kill, when you can go for the hurt.

for spider-man to beat bane, he is not only going to go through some mind games and misdirection, but also a head to head fight if they meet.

in batman's case, if he was going against the green goblin, he waould have to counter the goblin's clear mobility advantage and save innocents from his destructive exploits while most likely saving hosteges on top of that. and he too might have to go toe to toe with him.

fighting the hydro-man isn't ever really that cerebral, but it almost always is a test of the inginuity of the hero.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It doesn't seem to me like the thread frames the question of how they fare in terms of an arena style battle.

If it's asking that then the scenario favors Spider-Man as he and his gallery of rogues are more reliant on brute strength, while Batman and his villains are generally more cerebral planners. Batman is physically outclassed in most cases, while Spider-Man physically outclasses most, but not all of Batman's rogues.

If it's instead asking who would fare better in general dealing with the other's enemies then the scenario favors whomever is more adaptable and/or intellectual in their approach to their enmity. In which case, while Spider-Man is intelligent and adaptable, Batman is more so. And villains like the Joker or Ra's could very well destroy Spider-Man far worse than simply killing him. Never go for the kill, when you can go for the hurt.

Aside from MA abilty, what can Batman do that Spider-man cant..?

and please no one say "Batman can find a way, he always finds a way" - id fear a bloodlusted Spiderman over a Bloodlusted Batman, but maybe thats just me.

But if Bats can call upon the resources of his company, cant Spidey call in favours from his mutant geniuses, his Reeds and such.?

Reed Richards isn't a "Spider-Man resource" at least not on the forum.

Essentially I consider Batman more equipped mentally to take on Spider-Man's rogues, while Spider-Man may be more equipped physically to take on Batman's rogues - this being reflected in the general qualities of their respective rogues.

So for example while in a head-to-head arena-style confrontation, I would expect Batman to lose to for example Carnage; I would similarly expect the Joker to put Spider-Man through psychological hell in the event he were to become Spider-Man's rogue in the more "real" sense.

in a head to head confrontation..u mean with no out side influence, Carnage would kill Bats yes..but unless the Joker has MJ or Aunt bloody May on a noose 50 ft up, ready to drop her to her death..(that being an outside influence). I cant see joker rattling off the Phsycology in the 2 seconds it would take to swing over and KO him..

but, i see your point none the less, a prep'd Joker, sure he could win..

"what if batman's and spider-man's rouges gallery switched?"

ROUGE gallery??

red gallery?😂

Originally posted by ScarletSpeed
"what if batman's and spider-man's rouges gallery switched?"

ROUGE gallery??

red gallery?😂

but yeah, i noticed that after the fact, spell check only works on misspelled words so all i can do is roll with it.

but more importantly, how come it took this long for someone to say something about it? 😛

Originally posted by psycho gundam

but more importantly, how come it took this long for someone to say something about it? 😛

Originally posted by psycho gundam
heh, it's a trick question and you all fell for it. 😱

but yeah, i noticed that after the fact, spell check only works on misspelled words so all i can do is roll with it.

but more importantly, how come it took this long for someone to say something about it? 😛

cause it looks the exact same to the untrained eye😖hifty:

Originally posted by carver9
The thing about spiderman is that he dont do so good against high rank martial artist and batman enemies is full of them. About half on the list I could see getting a good majority against spiderman.

I think Peter's problem is that he is too worried about hurting people. He was like that against original Tombstone, until he got pissed. He always beats the Rhino, but when Rhino threatened his family he went apeshat. When Mary Jane was kidnapped he beat the crap out of everyone especially that Boxer manslaughter who is like super strong.

Originally posted by Juntai
Grodd.
http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc122&image=233_batgrodd2.jpg
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc80&image=0f5_batgrodd3.jpg

Grundy.
http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc121&image=3fc_batgrundy1.jpg

Choking out Lobo, Lobo unable to pull him away, until Lobo points out the villain of the story.
http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmanlobodeadlyseriousoo8.jpg

Beats Aquaman down until he surrenders.
http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc287&image=3a3_aqbat2.jpg
http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc87&image=697_aqbat3.jpg

How superior are his villains to what Batman's faced and beat the crap out of?

Who ever wrote those stories should be ashamed of themselves. That's like Daredevil choking out the Abomination. 😬

The choking lobo one makes no senses............besides the fact he a million tiems stronger..........if he able to talk he not being choked.......out.............meaning he allow batman to do it...........

Originally posted by carnage52
spider-man in gotham faces:

-joker- 0/10
-freeze-7/10
-bane- 2/10
-shiva- 3/10
-ra's-al-ghul-0/10
-clay face-0/10
-kgbeast-8/10
-prometheus-4/10
-man-bat-6/10
-poison ivy-7/10

batman in manhattan faces:

-lizard-8/10
-carnage-9/10
-rhino-10/10
-doc ock-9/10
-hydro-man-10/10
-sandman-7/10
-electro-10/10
-green goblin-9/10
-kraven the hunter-10/10
-mysterio-10/10

thats how it goes imo

Mysterio beats batman 10 of 10, but carnage only beats him 9 of 10?

Oh wait, I just remembered what site I'm on. You think batman can beat carnage 9 of 10 and think spidey couldnt beat the joker once.

How embarrassing.

There are some similiarities between enemies here, at least the gimmicky ones. Clayface and Poison Ivy (at least the classic version of her) wouldnt be all that different from like Hydroman or Sandman. You just need to know their flaw and all of a sudden all that crazy potential they have is moot. That said, I think Spider-man would fare better overall. A lot of the more physical Batman enemies, he can outmatch. As far as the Joker or the other Batman psychopaths go, Parker has had to hide his family before. He could put his aunt in some discreet hotel room (Tony Stark and all his resources couldnt find them last time). As for MJ, she and Spidey dont know each other anymore, remember? lol
Anyway, a lot of Spidey's enemies could potentially end Batman's life very quickly. Electro for example is a beast when he wants to be. So yeah I see Spider-man doing better, but also ending up a basket case after the experience

Originally posted by Juntai
What's your point? I just showed Batman KOing several 100 tonners with punches and kicks. The guy in comics and the guy on the forum are vastly different.

In one of Batman's issues OYL, he made the note that Poison Ivy is almost as strong as Swamp Thing now.

Something tells me that is a high showing because Batman has had trouble with far weaker opponents. Hell Captain America hurt Korvac but I dont expect him to hurt somebody as powerful as Korvac everything single time.

Originally posted by redhotrash
I see Spider-man doing better, but also ending up a basket case after the experience

I think people are really selling Peter's mental stability short. He has dealt with some pretty damn mental situations. People on here are acting like he has never dealt with any pressure 😕

The Green Goblin has caused him a whole lot of grief and Parker has never cracked. The Jackal (yeah everyone forgets about him) didn't even cause Peter to crack.

The Joker is a bad ass, and yeah he is different than anyone Peter has gone up against, but its not like Peter hasn't dealt with lunatics before.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
I think people are really selling Peter's mental stability short. He has dealt with some pretty damn mental situations. People on here are acting like he has never dealt with any pressure 😕

The Green Goblin has caused him a whole lot of grief and Parker has never cracked. The [B]Jackal (yeah everyone forgets about him) didn't even cause Peter to crack.

The Joker is a bad ass, and yeah he is different than anyone Peter has gone up against, but its not like Peter hasn't dealt with lunatics before. [/B]

Agreed

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
I think people are really selling Peter's mental stability short. He has dealt with some pretty damn mental situations. People on here are acting like he has never dealt with any pressure 😕

The Green Goblin has caused him a whole lot of grief and Parker has never cracked. The [B]Jackal (yeah everyone forgets about him) didn't even cause Peter to crack.

The Joker is a bad ass, and yeah he is different than anyone Peter has gone up against, but its not like Peter hasn't dealt with lunatics before. [/B]

Exactly everybody keeps exaggerating how unpredicatble The Joker is. To be quite honest how is he that much different?

Originally posted by Juntai
What's your point? I just showed Batman KOing several 100 tonners with punches and kicks. The guy in comics and the guy on the forum are vastly different.

In one of Batman's issues OYL, he made the note that Poison Ivy is almost as strong as Swamp Thing now.

Just wondering, how does Batman know how strong Swamp Thing is?

Originally posted by Mindset
Just wondering, how does Batman know how strong Swamp Thing is?

Knowing Batman he probably has files on Swamp Thing.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Against Rhino in a city street? Pshh, screw prep. He wins 10/10.

Like most Spidey rogues, Rhino is borderline retarded. And BAtman is far more intelligent than Spidey.

And this is why Batman wins and Spidey loses.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/DoctorDestiny132.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/DoctorDestiny133.jpg

And i just thought it was because you said so... 😛