what if batman's and spider-man's rouges gallery switched?

Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Last time I read, Spider-Man was the one taking the beating from Juggernaut and not the other way around.

Of course, I do not remember how that issue ended.

Many encounters in both Spider-Man and Batman end quite stupid 😛 Both of them should've been dead a long time ago.

Originally posted by Newjak
Green Goblin is currently the head of an entire government sanctioned Super Villain Army 😐

And I think you over estimate how scary these villains would be to Spiderman. The guy has fought heralds, demons, vampires, etc. To say that the Joker strolling into town would cause Peter to wet his pants is a little overboard.

And Batman has been beaten by Killer Croc who is by far less than the Lizard.

Goblin is also schitzo and obssesed with spidey the same way that Joker is obsessed with Batman.

Frankly, I don't consider any of Spiderman's rogues gallery to be worthy of being in Batman's. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Batman has the single toughest rogues gallery in comics. (Superman DOES NOT COUNT. He fights everyone.)

You really think Joker won't scare Spidey? You are lowballing Mr. J. If he knew who Joker was, he would be scared. Hell, Joker scares most villains in DC, he's certainly way more than Spidey can handle.

The difference is, Batman would realize he was physically outclassed. He wouldn't try to beat them the way he does his own rogues. 2nd, you all forget Batman's biggest edge over the guys in Gotham. Fear. Batman scares them as much as Joker, if not more. They won't fear Spidey.

If the challenge is to beat them the way the home town guy does, then they both lose. If the challenge is to win with your own methods, Batman wins, Spidey loses.

As for what Joker has done lately, Salvation Run. I'm pretty sure he beat several supervillains to death during that.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Good one. This is kinda hard.

spider-man in gotham faces:

-joker-->7/10
-freeze-->9-10/10
-bane-->8-9/10
-shiva-->8-9/10
-ra's-al-ghul-->8-9/10
-clay face-->5-6/10
-kgbeast-->7-8/10
-prometheus-->7/10
-man-bat-->10/10
-poison ivy-->5/10

batman in manhattan faces:

-lizard-->4-5/10
-carnage-->3/10
-rhino--6-7/10
-doc ock-->4/10
-hydro-man-->2-3/10
-sandman-->2-3/10
-electro-->2/10
-green goblin-->4/10
-kraven the hunter-->8/10
-mysterio-->5/10

Hm, I hope I did them both justice. I tried hard to really place both Spidey and Batman in each other's position and to see how they would handle these opponents. I considered how one of the heros defeated their enemy, then switched the heroes, and determine whether or not the other hero could win that way (or any other way), too.

Spiderman beat Juggernaut?
Oh rily? 😱

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Frankly, I don't consider any of Spiderman's rogues gallery to be worthy of being in Batman's.

Yeah I know Killer Croc, Puppet Master, Bane, 2-Face, Penguin, Posion Ivy all those guys (and gal) would wipe the floor with Spiderman. Yeah you just keep sayin that. 👇

Poison Ivy is unkillable, her plants can crush buildings, she can down a Green Lantern and she's been said comparable to Swamp Thing.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Poison Ivy is unkillable, her plants can crush buildings, she can down a Green Lantern and she's been said comparable to Swamp Thing.

She must have got some upgrade because im pretty sure I saw Batman koing her by kicking her in the mouth. Anyway Spiderman can deal with all the others mentioned.

Bane's as smart and skilled as Batman. And when he was on venom, he lifted a ferris wheel, and singlehandedly destroyed the walls of Arkham. Arkham's walls are 3 feet (or more) of thick concrete.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Bane's as smart and skilled as Batman. And when he was on venom, he lifted a ferris wheel, and singlehandedly destroyed the walls of Arkham. Arkham's walls are 3 feet (or more) of thick concrete.

Ermm hes not on venom anymore. 😬 Besides when he took venom he wasnt always that strong you're just taking the highest showing possible.

im assuming these battles are on the fly? no prep for anyone?

Originally posted by Juk3n
im assuming these battles are on the fly? no prep for anyone?

If its then Batman is toast.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
If its then Batman is toast.

Aye i was just thinking that, Batman comes across Rhino by chance..

ummm, does he carry a change of underwear in the utility belt ^^.

A nonpreped Bats doesnt get very far at all, is there such thing as a NON-PIS situation where Batman gets hit in the face by someone of multi ton strength and ISNT out for an autolose?? Does it exist?

Against Rhino in a city street? Pshh, screw prep. He wins 10/10.

Like most Spidey rogues, Rhino is borderline retarded. And BAtman is far more intelligent than Spidey.

And this is why Batman wins and Spidey loses.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/DoctorDestiny132.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/DoctorDestiny133.jpg

Originally posted by Newjak
Spider-man has beaten Firelord, Thor, Juggernaut, Hulk

I don't really think you really want to start putting out that garbage.

I mean let's be honest go ahead and make a Batman vs anyone you just mentioned match. See how that works out for ya 😉

Originally posted by Newjak

The guy has fought heralds, demons, vampires, etc..

Anyone mentions the guys Batman has fought and defeated, which can easily match Spiderman on any front, and suddently you're up in fits.

We call this a double-standard.

While you're at it, put up that Spiderman vs those heralds thread. See if you get better results than Batman vs Grodd.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
She must have got some upgrade because im pretty sure I saw Batman koing her by kicking her in the mouth. Anyway Spiderman can deal with all the others mentioned.

In one of Batman's issues OYL, he made the note that Poison Ivy is almost as strong as Swamp Thing now.

Originally posted by Juntai
Oh, I get it.

When YOU use examples like those, it's a perfectly OK showing.

Anyone mentions the guys Batman has fought and defeated, which can easily match Spiderman on any front, and suddently you're up in fits.

We call this a [b]double-standard.

While you're at it, put up that Spiderman vs those heralds thread. See if you get better results than Batman vs Grodd. [/B]

Originally posted by Newjak

And I think you over estimate how scary these villains would be to Spiderman. The guy has fought heralds, demons, vampires, etc. To say that the Joker strolling into town would cause Peter to wet his pants is a little overboard.

Oh yes I was just letting you know why Spiderman wouldn't be scared if the Joker came into town. Man context makes a huge difference doesn't it 🙂

Originally posted by Juntai
What's your point? I just showed Batman KOing several 100 tonners with punches and kicks.

isnt something like that on par with Flash battle lasting longer than one panel?

Batman just KOed these 100 tonners straite up, no prep. None? Straite fisty cuffs?

please bare with me, im not as knowledgable as some.

We know. We're just saying that if PZ can use that as evidence, we've got just as many examples for Batman.

It doesn't seem to me like the thread frames the question of how they fare in terms of an arena style battle.

If it's asking that then the scenario favors Spider-Man as he and his gallery of rogues are more reliant on brute strength, while Batman and his villains are generally more cerebral planners. Batman is physically outclassed in most cases, while Spider-Man physically outclasses most, but not all of Batman's rogues.

If it's instead asking who would fare better in general dealing with the other's enemies then the scenario favors whomever is more adaptable and/or intellectual in their approach to their enmity. In which case, while Spider-Man is intelligent and adaptable, Batman is more so. And villains like the Joker or Ra's could very well destroy Spider-Man far worse than simply killing him. Never go for the kill, when you can go for the hurt.