Wolverine (finally! The Revamped Respect Thread!)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're my boy Dum, Dum, but you're vested interest in this is making this more difficult than it needs to be. Everything I've makes it pretty clear that Logan was amped. I'd need a direct quote from the writer to come to the conclusion that Logan was not amped.

Applying some telekinetic pressure to the tip his claws would help a fair bit would it not? Course, that's speculation.

It would but there no evidence he did. I find it doubtful he amped him self with his TK. Enhanced attributes likely simply from demomic posesion

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes, you are correct he was, I just bitter, becuase he done nothing out side normal wolverine abilities. Though you are correct the statements do suggest he is amp physically. Though it a hard pill to swallow that he was faster then normal with what he displayed so far.

It would but there no evidence he did. I find it doubtful he amped him self with his TK. Enhanced attributes likely simply from demomic posesion

I get what your saying. You don't think Wolverine did anything obviously out of his class (I think the Ghost Rider scene was out of his strength range as I've seen Ghost Rider tow Hulk against his will, subway trains, and bring down an entire Skyscraper etc.)

You just want the ownage of Colossus to be admissible in fights. 😛

You can make more than a convincing case for Wolverine to cut Colossus without the recent fight.

Like I said, it's purely speculation on my part. I'm not trying to push it in any form or shape.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I get what your saying. You don't think Wolverine did anything obviously out of his class (I think the Ghost Rider scene was out of his strength range as I've seen Ghost Rider tow Hulk against his will, subway trains, and bring down an entire Skyscraper etc.)

You just want the ownage of Colossus to be admissible in fights. 😛

You can make more than a convincing case for Wolverine to cut Colossus without the recent fight.

Like I said, it's purely speculation on my part. I'm not trying to push it in any form or shape.

It shows that if enough force is applied, Logan's claws can cut Colossus. However, we all knew that. The question as to whether Logan, on his own, can cut C is not a matter of strength but of skill. We know that in the Marel U martial arts tends to amplify striking power by an degree that is impossible in the real world. We also know that Logan can cut Thor..albeit a miniscule amount compared to the normal amount he dishes out.

My take on this whole thing....I suspected he was amped when he held Big C in a headlock...that's just waaaaay outside of his range. A non-amped Wolverine is capable of cutting C but to a much lesser extent than an amped Wolverine. A real fight between the two with no holds bars would, in my opinion, end with Logan taking tons of punishment but being able to significantly incapacitate Colossus with repeated claw strikes to vital areas. It would take more time than Demoniverine but he would eventually get the job done...that is if he isn't knocked out of the prospective "arena" or just flat-out K.Oed first. I think C might have a hard time tagging Logan if Logan really plays it careful and doesn't fully rely on his healing factor and bones the whole time...although he can certainly do that for a long while against Colossus.

Of course Adamantium can cut Colossus. It's much tougher than the organic metal his made out of. I think Logan should at least be doing superficial damage such as what he did to Thor. I don't think Logan can cut Thor. Not a higher end Thor. Just saying. The Thor he fought was pretty watered down.

I don't know who would win. I guess it depends on how much different Colossus is portrayed from humans. If his metal through and through, you'd think even Logan stabbing him all the way through the chest (Let's assume he can) wouldn't stop him.

Wolverine has cut elder gods without any difficulty, he would (and point of fact has) cut through either Thor or Colossus with minimal to no resistance.

Here is the conversation between Demonrine and Mystique:

Demonrine: Wolverine doesn't kill you because he holds back, I won't do that because I'm EVIL!!!! So I'm better in every way!!!!

Mystique: Maybe... but... but your a dumbface!

Lets take that exchange at absolute face value!!!!!! dur

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has cut elder gods without any difficulty

What Elder Gods? Better be named.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
he would (and point of fact has) cut through either Thor with minimal to no resistance.

😂

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Here is the conversation between Demonrine and Mystique:

Demonrine: Wolverine doesn't kill you because he holds back, I won't do that because I'm EVIL!!!! So I'm better in every way!!!!

Mystique: Maybe... but... but your a dumbface!

Lets take that exchange at absolute face value!!!!!! dur

facepalm

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I get what your saying. You don't think Wolverine did anything obviously out of his class (I think the Ghost Rider scene was out of his strength range as I've seen Ghost Rider tow Hulk against his will, subway trains, and bring down an entire Skyscraper etc.)

You just want the ownage of Colossus to be admissible in fights. 😛

You can make more than a convincing case for Wolverine to cut Colossus without the recent fight.

Like I said, it's purely speculation on my part. I'm not trying to push it in any form or shape.

I agree that the ghost rider incident is debatable. Becuase wolverine weight and tug should be easily enough to ripp some one of ghost rider weight and that of the bikes over, however then against ghost rider as you put as done some crazy stuff with his bike. The vagueness of the event allows for many different spins for how it was accomplished.

you caught me 😱 😆

That is very true

apparently the backlash between adamantium and hellfire has been retconned.

Originally posted by Trackz
apparently the backlash between adamantium and hellfire has been retconned.

They probably decided to ignore it because he was generating and encasing his claws in his own Hellfire several times in this story arc... he was even Human Torching it in Dark Wolverine.

The Elder Gods weren't named, just cited as being Elder Gods and then Wolverine cut one before fighting it off for a few panels before they were banished again.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What Elder Gods? Better be named.

Figured. Using that as evidence for Logan cutting Thor with minimal to no resistance is laughable.

They were Elder Gods, created by the Demiurge, same as Gaea, we just don't know what their names are. Just because we don't know there names (although one of them was pretty clearly Cthulhu) doesn't change the fact that they were Elder Gods, there are dozens maybe hundreds of unnamed Elder Gods, we only know the name of half a dozen of them.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Figured. Using that as evidence for Logan cutting Thor with minimal to no resistance is laughable.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
They were Elder Gods, created by the Demiurge, same as Gaea, we just don't know what their names are. Just because we don't know there names (although one of them was pretty clearly Cthulhu) doesn't change the fact that they were Elder Gods, there are dozens maybe hundreds of unnamed Elder Gods, we only know the name of half a dozen of them.

Really? Was this directly stated or are you just speculating/guessing? What dimension was this? No Elder Gods were supposed to survive besides Gaea, Set, and Chthon correct?

Like I said, useless. Unless they showed something in the way of impressive durability etc. above Thor or established, they mean little.

Thor's fought hordes of supposedly powerful demons. Proves little.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
If he wanted to show evidence of Wolverine cutting thor couldent he simply use wolveirne cutting king thor arm so badly it was made useless or use wolverine fight with current thor?

Apparently not.

He hurt Thor, but he didn't cut deep enough to even draw blood as I recall. He lost his arm fighting Thing and the Hulk. Common misconception.

Even in that horrible fight, Wolverine wasn't cutting Thor with minimal to no resistance. There was only one particular spot that even bled in any noticeable way.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Apparently not.

He hurt Thor, but he didn't cut deep enough to even draw blood as I recall. He lost his arm fighting Thing and the Hulk. Common misconception.

Even in that horrible fight, Wolverine wasn't cutting Thor with minimal to no resistance. There was only one particular spot that even bled in any noticeable way.

His arm was ripped off, but it was made useless by wolverine slash. This is clearly shown and is not misconception.

Becuase the issue was geared towards children. Also blood does not always display damage in comics. Many artist display of blood is minimal despite damage being significante to an individual.

I just finished watching the Ironman anime series and was wondering if anyone here have seen the Wolverine series? So far there's been 4 episode that has been release...

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
lol.

His arm was ripped off, but it was made useless by wolverine slash. This is clearly shown and is not misconception.

Becuase the issue was geared towards children. Also blood does not always display damage in comics. Many artist display of blood is minimal despite damage being significante to an individual.

That's a pretty huge leap.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/KillsWolverine.jpg

Wolverine caught Thor by surprise and slashed Thor's forearm. Thor was hurt but otherwise fine.

😬 Hulk was shown face down in a pool of blood.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really? Was this directly stated or are you just speculating/guessing? What dimension was this? No Elder Gods were supposed to survive besides Gaea, Set, and Chthon correct?

Like I said, useless. Unless they showed something in the way of impressive durability etc. above Thor or established, they mean little.

Thor's fought hordes of supposedly powerful demons. Proves little.

They aren't all dead, a lot of the Elder Gods were banished / flied to other dimensions before the purge. These were the banished Elder Gods Belasco was trying to free with the blood stones (made from the blood of Elder Gods). They where legitimate Elder Gods, not "powerful demons."

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
They aren't all dead, a lot of the Elder Gods were banished / flied to other dimensions before the purge. These were the banished Elder Gods Belasco was trying to free with the blood stones (made from the blood of Elder Gods). They where legitimate Elder Gods, not "powerful demons."

I'll have to re-read the Thor annual but I was pretty sure almost all of the Elder Gods were killed by Atum.

Again, were these Elder Gods stated to be related to Gaea and so on or are you assuming.

What issue was this? I'll have to read this for myself because too many times have people tried to pass off non impressive showings as something worth noting and so on.

They better have some legitimate durability for Wolverine cutting them being any sort of evidence of the capability to cut Thor, much less with minimal to no resistance.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Again, were these Elder Gods stated to be related to Gaea and so on or are you assuming.

They were stated to be Elder Gods... and that is what the Elder Gods are... 😕

It happened in X-Infernus, but most of Belesco's appearances circel around him trying to free these gods. They are who granted him immortality