Originally posted by Deadline
Without the IF. Also read the third line of my post above.
Without the IF he dodged bullets after they've been fired (as jalek recently showed), defeated most of the Wrecking Crew, hurt and made Cage bleed, affected Iron Man (old armor but whatever) and current War Machine with his blows... and you're saying he's below peak human? Seriously?
You would be able to prove Cap is faster than him?
Originally posted by Nietzschean
someone should post the preview sparring match between Wolverine and Ironfist.
Here you are:
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=3494&page=2
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Without the IF he dodged bullets after they've been fired (as jalek recently showed), defeated most of the Wrecking Crew, hurt and made Cage bleed, affected Iron Man (old armor but whatever) and current War Machine with his blows... and you're saying he's below peak human? Seriously?You would be able to prove Cap is faster than him?
and Batman has done similar stuff. You done? Even if he was peak human thats still below Wolverine, it's a lose lose situation.
Originally posted by Deadline
and Batman has done similar stuff. You done? Even if he was peak human thats still below Wolverine, it's a lose lose situation.
Look at you. Trying to start shit as always. One sparring you didn't like and you're back to posting, fueled by Wolverine hate again 😛
Danny isn't Batman. He mastered the use of Chi. Y'know, the one he got from a freakin dragon. He can clearly operate at superhuman levels. Deal with it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Here you are:http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=3494&page=2
Is that Eddie Brock in the background or did Peter change outfits again?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW"good, let the hate out." sounds like he has a personal vendetta against Wolverine. Maybe Wolverine did something to him prior to the weapon x brain washing. 😉
Look at you. Trying to start shit as always. One sparring you didn't like and you're back to posting, fueled by Wolverine hate again 😛Danny isn't Batman. He mastered the use of Chi. Y'know, the one he got from a freakin dragon. He can clearly operate at superhuman levels. Deal with it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Look at you. Trying to start shit as always. One sparring you didn't like and you're back to posting, fueled by Wolverine hate again 😛Danny isn't Batman. He mastered the use of Chi. Y'know, the one he got from a freakin dragon. He can clearly operate at superhuman levels. Deal with it.
All you did was dodge the point. I'll just repeat myself so you can have a clearer understanding.
1. Batman is below Cap and has done similar stuff to Danny.
2. You can call Danny what you like superhuman, peak human it's all semantics. The point is without the IF his stats are below Cap and Wolverine.
Got it?
Originally posted by jalek moye
i think that sparring match really adds to that (for reasons i said in the ownage thread) but I do agree with he has great showing against them.
He does but people are going overboard.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
"good, let the hate out." sounds like he has a personal vendetta against Wolverine. Maybe Wolverine did something to him prior to the weapon x brain washing. 😉
Context. It's not that I don't think that Wolverine isn't top tier and doesn't have impressive showings it's when people want to start exaggerating and start acting like he's better than everybody. Which is essentially what DDD said.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I hate the double standards on the boards, The recent IF vs Wolverine sparring match is just another great presentation, of the fact that Wolverine is held to an entirely different standard then vast majority of characters on KMC.
That is a blantant exaggeration. One thing to say Wolverine has impressive showings, this is another thing entirely.
Originally posted by Deadline
What on earth are you talking about? Does IF have enhanced stats and a HF? You know without the IF hes below peak human. To be fair its a sparring match, not insignificant but not as important as a real fight.
Originally posted by Deadline
All you did was dodge the point. I'll just repeat myself so you can have a clearer understanding.1. Batman is below Cap and has done similar stuff to Danny.
2. You can call Danny what you like superhuman, peak human it's all semantics. The point is without the IF his stats are below Cap and Wolverine.
And you're just spamming the thread, but since it's going to be remade you can, I guess.
I don't know why you're bringing up DC shit here. Haven't seen him performing similar feats actually. Punching at super speed? No. Catching a bullet/flechettes? No. Dodging bullets "by fractions of an inch"? No. One-shotting a brick of Piledriver's strength? No. Healing from cancer? Hell no. Him hurting heralds is pure PIS (low meta like Croc was able to pretty much no-sell his best batkick) and it does not interest me. If we counted those showings, he would be superior to Cap.
IF technique doesn't make him faster. It simply greatly enhances his striking power and enables to withstand massive explosions when he uses it the right way (like when he turned himself into a human bullet in that train instance).
Anyway, it was a pure skill showing, like Sam said. They were portrayed as having equal/comparable speed.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Didn't Wolverine force that Successor Ironfist on the defensive years ago? You know, the kid who was better than Danny in every way and 2 hit ko-ed Luke Cage?
👆
Originally posted by jinzin
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Junzo=====
Here for the same reasons as Elektra; Junzo's badass enough to toss Iron Fist aside like a child twice, and powerful enough to KO Luke Cage with two blows; He even has control over the elements... Doesn't save him from the onslaught that is Wolverine though:
1. http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/167/ironfistjunoga9.jpg
2. http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6954/ironfistjuno2fs5.jpg
3. http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8594/ironfistjuno3cj4.jpg
4. http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9518/ironfistjuno4ld5.jpg
5. http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9638/ironfistjuno5ll5.jpg
6. http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/906/ironfistjuno6im9.jpg
7. http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2227/ironfistjuno7db5.jpg
8. http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2128/ironfistjuno8nx0.jpg
Originally posted by SamZED
Wolverine dominated the sparring because of his skills, imo that was made pretty clear. Nobody here says that this sparring is one definite proof that Wolverine >>>>> Iron Fist. But sayng he only managed to do that thanks to his superior physical stats is just not true. It didnt play any role here, their speed/reflexes feats are roughly on the same level.
You know what I agree. This is the motivation behind my post.
Originally posted by DeadlineContext. It's not that I don't think that Wolverine isn't top tier and doesn't have impressive showings it's when people want to start exaggerating and start acting like he's better than everybody. Which is essentially what DDD said.
This is not true, period.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I hate the double standards on the boards, The recent IF vs Wolverine sparring match is just another great presentation, of the fact that Wolverine is held to an entirely different standard then vast majority of characters on KMC.
I'm gonna do a test. You're a neutral second party read these scans carefully and see why this isn't good proof that Wolverine >>> Ironfist.
Originally posted by jinzin
[B] SECTION 10 (FIGHTS) - STREET LEVELS AND MARTIAL ARTISTS:=====
Junzo=====
Here for the same reasons as Elektra; Junzo's badass enough to toss Iron Fist aside like a child twice, and powerful enough to KO Luke Cage with two blows; He even has control over the elements... Doesn't save him from the onslaught that is Wolverine though:
1. http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/167/ironfistjunoga9.jpg
2. http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6954/ironfistjuno2fs5.jpg
3. http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8594/ironfistjuno3cj4.jpg
4. http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9518/ironfistjuno4ld5.jpg
5. http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9638/ironfistjuno5ll5.jpg
6. http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/906/ironfistjuno6im9.jpg
7. http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2227/ironfistjuno7db5.jpg
8. http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2128/ironfistjuno8nx0.jpg[/B]
This is not the only example of Wolverine fans taking fights out of context. I'm not going to point it out because if one bothers to read it properly you can clearly see it.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I like how marvel continuously tries to tell and show Wolverine is one of the most skilled fighters in marvel and the people who don't want to accept it continuously ignore it.I mean I have not love for the man but I am not gonna let it blind me to his capabilities.
You talking about me? If you are you're taking what I'm saying out of context. Also if we take what Wolverine fans are saying about his h2h skills he's not top tier anymore. He should be ranked at cosmic level or Temugin or Mandarin level.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I can't wait for the excuses to start rolling in when Wolverine beats up Fat Cobra in Jason Aaron's next arc Goodbye, Chinatown.
It's a legitimate example of Wolverine skills. I just don't like you guys saying Wolverine >>>>> everyone.
The real issue isn't his enhanced reflexes or HF, the issue here is that it's a sparring match. It is an indication of skill but not as good as a real fight. Hell you have even said yourself that sparring matches aren't a good form of proof.
Originally posted by Deadline
You know what I agree. This is the motivation behind my post.This is not true, period.
I'm gonna do a test. You're a neutral second party read these scans carefully and see why this isn't good proof that Wolverine >>> Ironfist.
This is not the only example of Wolverine fans taking fights out of context. I'm not going to point it out because if one bothers to read it properly you can clearly see it.
You talking about me? If you are you're taking what I'm saying out of context. Also if we take what Wolverine fans are saying about his h2h skills he's not top tier anymore. He should be ranked at cosmic level or Temugin or Mandarin level.
It's a legitimate example of Wolverine skills. I just don't like you guys saying Wolverine >>>>> everyone.
The real issue isn't his enhanced reflexes or HF, the issue here is that it's a sparring match. It is an indication of skill but not as good as a real fight. Hell you have even said yourself that sparring matches aren't a good form of proof.
I pretty much consider Wolverine equal to the likes of Shang Chi, Cap, etc in terms of skill. He did beat Cap with pure skill - neither of them landed blows that would have sealed the deal against opponents without a HF until Logan finally caused the blod clot. The point of the fight was to clearly show that Logan can match Cap in terms of pure skill. They have similar stats regarding speeds and strength and it's not like Cap dished out any serious punishment aside from crushing Logans tendons in his arms which Logan compensated for without the use of his HF.
I personally don't know too many that actually think Wolverine is significantly greater than top tiers but I personally would put him at Caps level without discernable differences between the two in terms of pure skill.
There are some fanboys on this site but don't confuse them with rational fans.
Lets take it here.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=530265&pagenumber=74#post13488045
However I'm too busy right now to get into this.
New Avengers 15
She's owned Thanos. She's owned Korvac. She's owned Ego the Living Planet. She's destroyed Terrax, Mandarin, Modok and Dr. Doom. She was rumored to be absent from WWH because she was off fighting Galactus. The one, the only Squirrel Girl! How does she do against Wolverine? Well... she doesn't beat him! In his most impressive feat to date, Wolverine survives and encounter Squirrel Girl and it ends in a stalemate. *gasp* 😱
So in one issue Wolverine beats Iron Fist and stalemates Squirrel Girl. Almost makes up for the fact that he didn't do anything in the entirety of New Avengers v1.
Wolverine vs Iron Fist:
Wolverine vs Squirrel Girl:
Wolverine, the one man to stalemate Doop and Squirrel Girl. /salute
