Sorry Srank, but how is calling summoning a horde of normal squirrels and Logan calling that "well played" respect worthy?
So he'd didn't get pwned by Jobberzilla; that's more being 4th wall lucky with your writer than anything character related.
The fact he got completely owned in hand to hand by a girl who was never mentioned being a martial artist of even the same caliber as Wolverine makes it pretty disrespectful.
🙁
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Sorry Srank, but how is calling summoning a horde of normal squirrels and Logan calling that "well played" respect worthy?So he'd didn't get pwned by Jobberzilla; that's more being 4th wall lucky with your writer than anything character related.
The fact he got completely owned in hand to hand by a girl who was never mentioned being a martial artist of even the same caliber as Wolverine makes it pretty disrespectful.
🙁
Because her squirrel's have more impressive win sheet then Thor? She's beaten Thanos dude. Thanos. Her stats are all maxed out on the Marvel scale.
She went feral, caught him by surprise initially, hit him three times, then got put into some sort of a wrist / arm lock. That's a good showing for Wolverine, hell any showing where Squirrel Girl doesn't beat you effortlessly off panel, is a phenomenal showing.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because her squirrel's have more impressive win sheet then Thor? She's beaten Thanos dude. Thanos. Her stats are all maxed out on the Marvel scale.
I'm 75% sure that during She-Hulk's stint as a cosmic lawyer they revealed that the Thanos she beat was just a clone that was good enough to fool the Watcher.
And who have the squirrels beaten other than Doctor Doom?
She went feral, caught him by surprise initially, hit him three times, then got put into some sort of a wrist / arm lock. That's a good showing for Wolverine, hell any showing where Squirrel Girl doesn't beat you effortlessly off panel, is a phenomenal showing. [/B]
But that's the thing. She's only ever beaten someone off-panel. The only other on-panel fight I can remember with her is against Deadpool and he had just taken an exploding bandoleer of grenades to the chest and found her too funny/cute to actually fight back.
And honestly, surviving a fight with Squirrel Girl shouldn't be a good showing for anyone. She's a joke that should have run its course 10 years ago instead of mucking up Marvel to such a huge degree.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I'm 75% sure that during She-Hulk's stint as a cosmic lawyer they revealed that the Thanos she beat was just a clone that was good enough to fool the Watcher.And who have the squirrels beaten other than Doctor Doom?
But that's the thing. She's only ever beaten someone off-panel. The only other on-panel fight I can remember with her is against Deadpool and he had just taken an exploding bandoleer of grenades to the chest and found her too funny/cute to actually fight back.
And honestly, surviving a fight with Squirrel Girl shouldn't be a good showing for anyone. She's a joke that should have run its course 10 years ago instead of mucking up Marvel to such a huge degree.
They trail of Starfox, but as far as I'm concerned that is just shady lawyering. Even if he was a clone, he had the HOTU didn't he?
They happen off-panel because her victories are so absurd that they can't be depicted. But that is the essence of the character. Is it any stupider then Karate Kid's "super karate" that lets him fight Kryptonians? She exists to parody characters like Batman and Karate Kid, who's accomplishments make no sense relative to their skill set. She has squirrel agility, and she will take on all comers, and she will win. Being a joke character doesn't devalue her accomplishments.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Being a joke character doesn't devalue her accomplishments.
Erm, yeah, yeah they do.
And I find it quite insulting that you compare Karate Kid and Batman to Squirrel Girl. Many other characters have gained strange and superhuman abilities from just learning a single style of martial arts and Karate Kid knows every style from a setting several centuries in the future. And at least for Batman he has, as asinine as they may be, actual gambits and precautions and preparations for dealing with the outlandish situations he finds himself in.
Squirrel Girl just waltzes up to the character she does and wins. As I said in another thread, she's the equivalent of a DMPC, charged full of DM Fiat-incarnate, armed with the Golden Plot Railrod of Isayso.
It'd be more damn acceptable if they just made it so she was a Cube being all along or maybe the personal avatar of the Living Tribunal instead of the damn nonsensical insanity of someone with her powerset doing what she does.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Erm, yeah, yeah they do.And I find it quite insulting that you compare Karate Kid and Batman to Squirrel Girl. Many other characters have gained strange and superhuman abilities from just learning a single style of martial arts and Karate Kid knows every style from a setting several centuries in the future. And at least for Batman he has, as asinine as they may be, actual gambits and precautions and preparations for dealing with the outlandish situations he finds himself in.
Squirrel Girl just waltzes up to the character she does and wins. As I said in another thread, she's the equivalent of a DMPC, charged full of DM Fiat-incarnate, armed with the Golden Plot Railrod of Isayso.
It'd be more damn acceptable if they just made it so she was a Cube being all along or maybe the personal avatar of the Living Tribunal instead of the damn nonsensical insanity of someone with her powerset doing what she does.
So your hating was not enough for her respect thread you thought what the hell lets go over to wolverine's? she is what she it whether you choose to accept or not is irrelevant to the character.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Erm, yeah, yeah they do.And I find it quite insulting that you compare Karate Kid and Batman to Squirrel Girl. Many other characters have gained strange and superhuman abilities from just learning a single style of martial arts and Karate Kid knows every style from a setting several centuries in the future. And at least for Batman he has, as asinine as they may be, actual gambits and precautions and preparations for dealing with the outlandish situations he finds himself in.
Squirrel Girl just waltzes up to the character she does and wins. As I said in another thread, she's the equivalent of a DMPC, charged full of DM Fiat-incarnate, armed with the Golden Plot Railrod of Isayso.
It'd be more damn acceptable if they just made it so she was a Cube being all along or maybe the personal avatar of the Living Tribunal instead of the damn nonsensical insanity of someone with her powerset doing what she does.
No they don't.
Batman has beaten the entire Justice League. He's taken down Wonder Woman by kicking her in the stomach because "she needs to breath." He is accomplishments are asinine and don't make any logical sense given his physical attributes and skill set. Obviously Squirrel Girl is more extreme... but that's how parody works. She is a commentary on Captain America punching out the Hulk. On Black Panther putting Silver Surfer in an arm bar. That's why she exists. She wins fights because she is Squirrel Girl, the same way Batman wins fights because he is Batman... there just isn't any pretense of suspension of disbelieve. Lobo has pulled out planet sized guns and had cross planetary gun fights. Deadpool knows a joke so funny it will kill anyone who hears it. Squirrel Girl beats everyone up. If anything Wolverine stalemating Squirrel Girl is PIS.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
So your hating was not enough for her respect thread you thought what the hell lets go over to wolverine's? she is what she it whether you choose to accept or not is irrelevant to the character.
And you caring so damn much brought you cross-threads too, so it really leaves your personal attack of me on the hypocritical side, if not Pyrrhic since you're flaming a user while I at worst bad mouthed a fictional character.
Sorry you like Squirrel Girl that much.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No they don't.Batman has beaten the entire Justice League. He's taken down Wonder Woman by kicking her in the stomach because "she needs to breath." He is accomplishments are asinine and don't make any logical sense given his physical attributes and skill set. Obviously Squirrel Girl is more extreme... but that's how parody works. She is a commentary on Captain America punching out the Hulk. On Black Panther putting Silver Surfer in an arm bar. That's why she exists. She wins fights because she is Squirrel Girl, the same way Batman wins fights because he is Batman... there just isn't any pretense of suspension of disbelieve. Lobo has pulled out planet sized guns and had cross planetary gun fights. Deadpool knows a joke so funny it will kill anyone who hears it. Squirrel Girl beats everyone up. If anything Wolverine stalemating Squirrel Girl is PIS.
And yet nothing you just mentioned ever gets used in a versus fight nearly anywhere, let alone on here, while Squirrel Girl in all her stomach wrenching "glory" does. And none of the characters you mentioned are solely "joke characters". While Deadpool and Lobo can be very over the top at times, they also tend to be used in more "serious" manners.
And PIS isn't really the right term to use for her fight with Wolverine. Doreen didn't act any different than she normally does and acted at her full capability as per her written powerset (except the fact she's suddenly a class 7 martial artist). You'd probably need to invent a new term to explain her not using her Omnipotent Jobber Aura to insta-win.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
And you caring so damn much brought you cross-threads too, so it really leaves your personal flaming of me on the hypocritical side, if not Pyrrhic since you're flaming a user while I at worst bad mouthed a fictional character.Sorry you like Squirrel Girl that much.
No I came to check the Wolverine respect thread and ran into your whining once more this is the character this is what she is and has been for a long time since the joke started your argument make not sense in relation to the character.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
No I came to check the Wolverine respect thread and ran into your whining once more this is the character this is what she is and has been for a long time since the joke started your argument make not sense in relation to the character.
Sorry, not going to rise to your baiting.
I still fail to see how being manhandled by Squirrel Girl like a novice acolyte and then backing down from a swarm of regular, run of the mill Sciurus carolinensis (I assume) is anything approaching respect worthy.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Sorry, not going to rise to your baiting.I still fail to see how being manhandled by Squirrel Girl like a novice acolyte and then backing down from a swarm of regular, run of the mill Sciurus carolinensis (I assume) is anything approaching respect worthy.
You don't have to your argument is garbage and makes not sense.If you refuse to accept the character as she is and what she has done of course you will not find it impressive.Which is irrelevant as it does not need your validation.
Joke character of such extreme measures never do anything worth respecting. Validating the things they do and have done degrades every other character who they encounter, even those who are blatantly generalized as "losers" or "chumps" (such as M.O.D.O.K. and Terrax).
It's like the immature jokes of a pre-teen/teenager. Sure the trite toilet humor is funny the first time, but its generally run for far too long.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Joke character of such extreme measures never do anything worth respecting. Validating the things they do and have done degrades every other character who they encounter, even those who are blatantly generalized as "losers" or "chumps" (such as M.O.D.O.K. and Terrax).It's like the immature jokes of a pre-teen/teenager. Sure the trite toilet humor is funny the first time, but its generally run for far too long.
Again the character does not need your validation any point that you could hope to make is none existent the moment you stick you fingers in your ears and start pushing how you personally feel about the character instead of what she has done on panel and how she is portrayed.
Its clear you have a vendetta against this character and are acting like if how you personally feel about her is some how suppose to be how she is.Everyone knows she is a joke character we also know who she has put down as the joke has continued to run the fact that wolverine did this good is pretty clear cut a very good feat.
Again your personal feeling on something does not make you right what happens in the comic trumps you.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Again the character does not need your validation any point that you could hope to make is none existent the moment you stick you fingers in your ears and start pushing how you personally feel about the character instead of what she has done on panel and how she is portrayed.Its clear you have a vendetta against this character and are acting like if how you personally feel about her is some how suppose to be how she is.Everyone knows she is a joke character we also know who she has put down as the joke has continued to run the fact that wolverine did this good is pretty clear cut a very good feat.
Really? The just borderline personal insults are the best retorts you can give?
Instead of just pushing that she's a light hearted addition to a genre that has been growing darker and grittier and more pregnant with drama and tragedy and sorrow since the 90s or that she harkens back to the campy traditions that birthed the superhero genre in the first place in an attempt to bring things back to their roots in order to draw back an older crowd while influencing and teaching a new generation, you go for attacking me.
I'm done either way. Even if I personally hate a character, I won't derail a thread for more than a handful of posts. But you can keep continuing your personal attacks on my person.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Really? The just borderline personal insults are the best retorts you can give?Instead of just pushing that she's a light hearted addition to a genre that has been growing darker and grittier and more pregnant with drama and tragedy and sorrow since the 90s or that she harkens back to the campy traditions that birthed the superhero genre in the first place in an attempt to bring things back to their roots in order to draw back an older crowd while influencing and teaching a new generation, you go for attacking me.
I'm done either way. Even if I personally hate a character, I won't derail a thread for more than a handful of posts. But you can keep continuing your personal attacks on my person.
No my retorts where the facts as I see them you can be done or not it wont change the fact that you never has any kind of valid argument here all I see here is you not liking a character refusing to accept what she has done in the comic.Again your personal opinion does not change what has occurred in a comic book.
You can keep shouting from the roof and I will simply show you what she has done in the comics they back me up.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
And yet nothing you just mentioned ever gets used in a versus fight nearly anywhere, let alone on here, while Squirrel Girl in all her stomach wrenching "glory" does. And none of the characters you mentioned are solely "joke characters". While Deadpool and Lobo can be very over the top at times, they also tend to be used in more "serious" manners.And PIS isn't really the right term to use for her fight with Wolverine. Doreen didn't act any different than she normally does and acted at her full capability as per her written powerset (except the fact she's suddenly a class 7 martial artist). You'd probably need to invent a new term to explain her not using her Omnipotent Jobber Aura to insta-win.
That's because those characters have normally operating levels that are realistic relative to their power-sets, and a few moments of PIS. We can ignore the PIS because largely it is minimal, non essential to the character and won't make much of a difference in the big picture. But Squirrel Girl only has those types of feats. It's the entirety of her character. You can't discount them without discounting her entirely.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
What I am curious about is the question on the research board that stated
"What happened to Dog Logan?" in the Wolverine series.
I can't be the only one still waiting for this answer.
He start hunting Wolverine and his wolf pack shortly after Origins, and was teleported to the present.