Lord Rayden vs Emperor Palpatine

LOL WOW ! This debate is pretty heated.

Ok i am going to used the terms the best way i know how.
Provided this thread is in the MOVIE versus forum, we have to assume that the movie iterations of both characters are being used, so no DE sidious or video game raiden.

That being said i say raiden takes this.
lightening seems to be just one of the things palpatine does but its raidens specialty, so im sure his attack is better crafted because he spends more time on it.

when sith do force lightening it seems they have to take a couple seconds to position thier hands then charge it, then send it towards thier enemies, i have seem dooku do this in aotc and and palpatine do it in rotj and it takes all of 3 seconds.

raiden on the other hand seems to have it flowing through him so could probably shoot it out instantly.

so we have 3 scenarios occurring.

A) raiden shocks him to death because he needed more time to gather lightening( which they were both trying to do)

B) siddious force pushes raiden into the wall which knocks him off balance then strikes him down.

C) siddious gets out his lightsaber because he assumes that raiden isnt force sensitive and gets supprised with a lightening death

so raiden takes is 6.6/10

also blax-hydralix if i may lapse into my language for a little while

en repuesto al batalle ente goku y superman, superman lo perdio por que puede ser affectado con el kamehameha que no es energia electrico pero lo es "ki" y por eso goku ganaria.

quando superman es muy fuerte, goku puede destruir un mundo solamente con su energia

I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but a lot of what you just said makes no sense.

Originally posted by Devil King
I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but a lot of what you just said makes no sense.

entonces necesita que aprender espanol

Originally posted by Man of Christ
[B]
That being said i say raiden takes this.
lightening seems to be just one of the things palpatine does but its raidens specialty, so im sure his attack is better crafted because he spends more time on it.

Well... what does that mean exactly? His lightning is "better"? From what we've seen him do in the movie, his lightning is not all that different from regular force lightning, nor any more potent. Dooku's lightning blew off a chunk of the steel ceiling in AotC, and Sideous's lightning is far more potent then Dooku's is, and while it it's true that it only one of many things Sideous can do it, it's also his specialty, his forte.

when sith do force lightening it seems they have to take a couple seconds to position thier hands then charge it, then send it towards thier enemies, i have seem dooku do this in aotc and and palpatine do it in rotj and it takes all of 3 seconds.

raiden on the other hand seems to have it flowing through him so could probably shoot it out instantly.

Well, when Dooku did it to Anakin in AotC and to Ventress as soon as he raised his hand lightning shot out. Both Raiden and jedi cast lightning the same way, through there hands.

A) raiden shocks him to death because he needed more time to gather lightening( which they were both trying to do)

Meh, debatable. And besides even if Raiden can shoot faster, Sideous can still block lightning with his hands like Yoda and Dooku, or with his lightsaber like Mace and Obi-Wan.

B) siddious force pushes raiden into the wall which knocks him off balance then strikes him down.

Entirely feasible considering Raiden can not dodge or block the force.

C) siddious gets out his lightsaber because he assumes that raiden isnt force sensitive and gets supprised with a lightening death

With his lightsaber out Sideous can still cast lightning and defend against lightning with his free hand or his lightsaber.

also blax-hydralix if i may lapse into my language for a little while

en repuesto al batalle ente goku y superman, superman lo perdio por que puede ser affectado con el kamehameha que no es energia electrico pero lo es "ki" y por eso goku ganaria.

quando superman es muy fuerte, goku puede destruir un mundo solamente con su energia

Sorry man, but even though I'm Mexican I don't really speak Spanish. My grandmother refused to teach my ma spanish, so she doesn't know it and can't teach me. I'm taking classes, but I can can only understand and speak a few phrases at my current level.

The day you are perma-banned, which is inevitable because you're a troll and you've been banned before, I am going to dance.

YOU don't understand me, in an invornment like this, with dog bastards like you, and crappy authority like mods on this site, I can't control myself, it's best I'm not on, it'[s like an addiction, I'll get just as much satifasction as you.

Superman would thrash Goku by the way.

Not if I write their crossover shit for brains.

Which was my point in saying, 'Proof is for the women and the weak in fary land, cause all you need is a WRITER.'

Besides, it's not like Superman beating Goku would make it any more real than if their universes met.

I think Goku would kill Superman, he's the one made of steel.

Look at Goku's thousand mile stare in my sig, that stare makes people like Superman cry.

I mean read that part of the Manga, Goku's face is bloodied, his friends have been killed, he's fighting a planet destroyer, and all he can think about is breaking something.

The reason i assumed that with siddious's lightsaber out he couldnt defend against lightening is because sidious' lightening destroyed yoda's saber which shows that lightening on a raiden or siddious level can bypass the saber defense

furthermore, since raiden is not force sensitive, siddious wont know that he can shoot lightening out of his hands so when raiden raises his finger palpatine will be like "what are you doing? where is your blaster"
then raiden shocks him before he has the time to put up a defense

Yoda's lightsaber was not destroyed, it was just knocked out of his hands because Yoda did not have proper footing to brace himself and he did not have a firm grip on his lightsaber, plus he was surprised. If you remember though, when Mace was fighting Sideous Mace was able to defend against Sideous' lightning with his lightsaber. So it depends.

The force gives the user super human reflexes and the like. Raiden's lightning moves slow enough that it can be dodged by peak human fighters. Sideous, who like other Jedi moves fast enough to block lasers, should have no problem putting up a defense.

And by the way, could you translate what you said in Spanish? It'll help me with mah edumcation.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
[B]YOU don't understand me, in an invornment like this, with dog bastards like you, and crappy authority like mods on this site, I can't control myself, it's best I'm not on, it'[s like an addiction, I'll get just as much satifasction as you.

Then go away.

Not if I write their crossover shit for brains.

Then go away and go write it. Fulfill your fanboy fetishes.

It's called an addition dumbass.

How am I supposed to go away when I enjoy so much loosing control?

Fetishes, tsk, hardly, Superman never lost his temper to the degree Goku did in his transendence of The Super Saiyan, Vegeta couldn't have gotten that mad if he were in Goku's shoes, Goku wasn't corrupt, and he had never felt real hate before.

Goku was a good guy before that point, but after that, his persona slightly changed, and his potenital encreased, he was no longer a low class Saiyan, he had become a Saiyan, and for that reason alone, I share hate with Goku, and I'd like for Goku to rip something significant's head off.

Something as significant as Superman, thats what I feel.

Now you know.

Originally posted by Man of Christ
entonces necesita que aprender espanol

that might make sense if anything you said was in spanish.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Then go away.

Then go away and go write it. Fulfill your fanboy fetishes.

I don't have a clue why why someone would argue Goku's demise, preach it, and worship it to the degree that you do.

Except for the reason I preach Superman's defeat, this reason is simple, it's not a dispute of characters, but a dispute of us, this is why I preach it, it's a personal matter, it's between you, and me, and I hate you.

Originally posted by Devil King
that might make sense if anything you said was in spanish.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Yoda's lightsaber was not destroyed, it was just knocked out of his hands because Yoda did not have proper footing to brace himself and he did not have a firm grip on his lightsaber, plus he was surprised. If you remember though, when Mace was fighting Sideous Mace was able to defend against Sideous' lightning with his lightsaber. So it depends.

The force gives the user super human reflexes and the like. Raiden's lightning moves slow enough that it can be dodged by peak human fighters. Sideous, who like other Jedi moves fast enough to block lasers, should have no problem putting up a defense.

And by the way, could you translate what you said in Spanish? It'll help me with mah edumcation.

i say the element of supprise gives raiden the win here because for example, siddious knew yoda had the force but even then he did nothing to defend against yoda's force push in the office.

imagine then if palpatine was caught off guard in this same scenario but instead of a tk push it was enough lightening to stop a heart.

sids gets creamed

Originally posted by Man of Christ

also blax-hydralix if i may lapse into my language for a little while

en repuesto al batalle ente goku y superman, superman lo perdio por que puede ser affectado con el kamehameha que no es energia electrico pero lo es "ki" y por eso goku ganaria.

quando superman es muy fuerte, goku puede destruir un mundo solamente con su energia

Translation: In response to the battle between goku and superman. Superman lost it because he can be affected with the kamahameha which is not electrical energy but it is "Ki". Because of this Goku will win.

while superman is very strong, goku can destroy a world only with his energy

Originally posted by Man of Christ
Translation: In response to the battle between goku and superman. Superman lost it because he can be affected with the kamahameha which is not electrical energy but it is "Ki". Because of this Goku will win.

while superman is very strong, goku can destroy a world only with his energy

Why do you assume this "Ki" shit will affect Superman?

Originally posted by Robtard
Why do you assume this "Ki" shit will affect Superman?

we must discuss this on another thread because our debate will be off topic

Originally posted by Robtard
Why do you assume this "Ki" shit will affect Superman?

Chi shit?

It's DBZ's equavilant of dark energy, which is stronger than gravity itself.

This 'Chi shit' is energy in it's purest form.

Chi balls are condensed explosions, that stay in a ball instead of expand in every direction, this means their mass is great, and when all of that mass is released in an explosion, it causes the gravity relative to itself to disapate into energy, blowing pretty much any matter into shapeless paste.

This is especially dangerous in a Kameha wave, because this Chi Ball is at the end of a wide laser beam, and when it hits it's target, it just plows through it, and THEN explodes if the target is durable enough to take the impact, and that explosion is the killer.

I've watched BDZ before, that shit didn't always take out Goku's foes and they weren't nearly as durable as Superman.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've watched BDZ before, that shit didn't always take out Goku's foes and they weren't nearly as durable as Superman.

Says WHO?

PLease open a new thread for this dicsussion