Originally posted by Devil KingNo, I understand the meaning of the terms, and now that I think on it, I am more of a passive participant than an active one. But why do you feel the need to question me about it? Thats not passive, thats VERY active.
Passively participating in a thread. Look up the terms in regards to a discussion if you don't understand them.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I understand the meaning of the terms, and now that I think on it, I am more of a passive participant than an active one. But why do you feel the need to question me about it? Thats not passive, thats VERY active.
As soon as the thread topic becomes: "Why is Rouge Jedi possibly full of shit", then you'll have a point. But, as it is, the topic is Jack Bauer (a character you admit to knowing little about) v John McClane.
Originally posted by Devil KingYeah, I'd be pissed too if someone called me out and made me look like an idiot.
As soon as the thread topic becomes: "Why is Rouge Jedi possibly full of shit", then you'll have a point. But, as it is, the topic is Jack Bauer (a character you admit to knowing little about) v John McClane.
McLane, while not as highly trained as Bauer, has a way of beating the odds time and time again. But Bauer is ex Delta force, not to mention he was in the CIA, I think.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, I'd be pissed too if someone called me out and made me look like an idiot.McLane, while not as highly trained as Bauer, has a way of beating the odds time and time again. But Bauer is ex Delta force, not to mention he was in the CIA, I think.
I'm not sure I'm the idiot. Especially since we have both admitted to not knowing enough about one half of the debate to speak from some measure of informed perspective. Neither am I trying to turn this into a debate about the merrits of two characters (one of which you have admitted to knowing little to nothing about) on which you are not fully informed. But, feel free to think you've "called me out", when you do nothing but exactly that for your own perspective, over and over and over again. I'm not following up my position with a rant about a character I've already admitted to knowing nothing about. Or, am I wrong in reading you saying you've never watched single episode of the show from which the central character your're arguing for?
And by the way, I don't give a shit about which of them wins. I just care that some members of a discussion aren't talking out of their ass.
Originally posted by Devil KingI'm not talking outta my ass. I know all there is to know about McLane, and I know a bit about Bauer's background and what he does for CTU.
I'm not sure I'm the idiot. Especially since we have both admitted to not knowing enough about one half of the debate to speak from some measure of informed perspective. Neither am I trying to turn this into a debate about the merrits of two characters (one of which you have admitted to knowing little to nothing about) on which you are not fully informed. But, feel free to think you've "called me out", when you do nothing but exactly that for your own perspective, over and over and over again. I'm not following up my position with a rant about a character I've already admitted to knowing nothing about. Or, am I wrong in reading you saying you've never watched single episode of the show from which the central character your're arguing for?And by the way, I don't give a shit about which of them wins. I just care that some members of a discussion aren't talking out of their ass.
I said I have seen bits and pieces of 24, 5 minutes here, 10 minutes there. I assumed you meant you had never seen a full episode, and I was saying neither had I.
At first, I thought McLane, with his tough guy mentality and incredible luck, would prevail, but now that I think on it, Jack is ex CIA, not to mention Delta Force.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I'm not talking outta my ass. I know all there is to know about McLane, and I know a bit about Bauer's background and what he does for CTU.I said I have seen bits and pieces of 24, 5 minutes here, 10 minutes there. I assumed you meant you had never seen a full episode, and I was saying neither had I.
At first, I thought McLane, with his tough guy mentality and incredible luck, would prevail, but now that I think on it, Jack is ex CIA, not to mention Delta Force.
Redefining an apparent claim is fine. You suddenly know it all and win, without question. I'm glad you and Mr. Willis, as well as Mr. Lucas, had this hippie moment-style pow-wow. I said I'd never seen an episode of 24, and you said you had not as well. Now, though, you have seen as much that one would need to in order to know all one needed to in order to speak from an informed perspective. It's amazing what a few posts and an inescapable profession of ignorance can do for a position. Congratulations, you have apparently and soundly excused yourself from speaking out of ill-informed ignorance on any number of topics.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
That means nothing. 😬Rank doesn't mean a whole lot..
Right Right... Its ok to admit you don't know anything about Delta Force. Its not about rank. Its about how good you have to be to get in, and the amount of advanced physical and tactical training that is involved.
What training does it take to get into a normal police force (not SWAT) ?
Originally posted by Devil KingI know it all? I just admitted I know alot about McLane, and a bit (small bit) about Bauer. When did I say I knew it all? There is a LOT about Bauer and 24 I dont know, but hey, you seem to think you know what's inside my head before I do. I admitted last post I thought you meant you had seen 24 as I had, in passing, never a full episode.
Redefining an apparent claim is fine. You suddenly know it all and win, without question. I'm glad you and Mr. Willis, as well as Mr. Lucas, had this hippie moment-style pow-wow. I said I'd never seen an episode of 24, and you said you had not as well. Now, though, you have seen as much that one would need to in order to know all one needed to in order to speak from an informed perspective. It's amazing what a few posts and an inescapable profession of ignorance can do for a position. Congratulations, you have apparently and soundly excused yourself from speaking out of ill-informed ignorance on any number of topics.
I have seen bits and pieces of 24 while channel surfing, it never really caught my interest, thats all I meant.
See, I love this. You GDFers come here and purposely look to cause problems. You are constantly on the lookout for someone to bash/ridicule/whatever because it makes you feel better about yourself. You make outrageous claims about others, claim they are coming off like Yoda, when they are not. You seriously need to loosen your girdle and take some Midol.
It's not like I said cops can wear their uniforms while working extra jobs, is it?
Originally posted by Devil King
But, how can one do so under the self-admitted ignorance of one half of the very debate in which you have decided to participate? I can't assume you don't have an answer, since you were so upfront about your lack of actual knowledge regarding the subjects of the discussion.I never saw the 2nd Matrix movie. This is why I never participated in a discussion I knew nothing about, for sure.
Calm down, DK.
Let's just enjoy the thread and have a debate. m'kay?
Originally posted by Placidity
Right Right... Its ok to admit you don't know anything about Delta Force. Its not about rank. Its about how good you have to be to get in, and the amount of advanced physical and tactical training that is involved.What training does it take to get into a normal police force (not SWAT) ?
What does the training it needed have to do with the ability they have shown?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I know it all? I just admitted I know alot about McLane, and a bit (small bit) about Bauer. When did I say I knew it all? There is a LOT about Bauer and 24 I dont know, but hey, you seem to think you know what's inside my head before I do. I admitted last post I thought you meant you had seen 24 as I had, in passing, never a full episode.I have seen bits and pieces of 24 while channel surfing, it never really caught my interest, thats all I meant.
See, I love this. You GDFers come here and purposely look to cause problems. You are constantly on the lookout for someone to bash/ridicule/whatever because it makes you feel better about yourself. You make outrageous claims about others, claim they are coming off like Yoda, when they are not. You seriously need to loosen your girdle and take some Midol.
It's not like I said cops can wear their uniforms while working extra jobs, is it?
It's probably not good to suggest he's wrong for thinking he knows what's inside your head and then go on a long rant about why everyone comes here as if that's definitely why.
He was just saying you should honestly know about both sides when debating.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYou didnt know both sides of the Neo/Luke thread when you stepped in, remember? 😉
It's probably not good to suggest he's wrong for thinking he knows what's inside your head and then go on a long rant about why everyone comes here as if that's definitely why.He was just saying you should honestly know about both sides when debating.
-AC
I did, technically.
I've seen all three of the movies he is in, multiple times. Same for Neo. Unless your point is that you think you're catching me out because I wasn't knowledgeable on a character that shouldn't have ever been in the thread, wasn't relevant and that I had no reason to really discuss.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriAt the time we were discussing NJO Luke, and you admitted to not knowing about him. You even did the research, remember?
I did, technically.I've seen all three of the movies he is in, multiple times. Same for Neo. Unless your point is that you think you're catching me out because I wasn't knowledgeable on a character that shouldn't have ever been in the thread, wasn't relevant and that I had no reason to really discuss.
-AC
Relevant or no, it's what was being discussed.
Originally posted by Bardock42
What does the training it needed have to do with the ability they have shown?
Once again, I don't think you understand what being in Delta Force means. It is comparable or even superior to the US Navy SEALs.
Only the best of the best ever make it through. Which means, he is among the best. Why does that seem hard for you to understand?
Also, one does not simply sign up to be a part of Delta Force. In fact, there is no such unit known for enlistment. People get selected because they are the best, not simply because one enlists for it. Eligible recruits must also have the rank of a Sergeant with about 4 years of service. And thats the minimum requirement, in reality you must have a very good history (number of successful high profile missions) to even get noticed.
Recruits that serve in the Delta Force undergo intense and one of the most advanced training compared to other global ops branches. I'm talking skill, intelligence and combat tactics and survival including under interrogation torture. In all 5 seasons, Jack Bauer has never been broken under torture, not even when the Chinese had him for 2 years to try to extract information from him.
You think all these skills come from practicing shooting a pistol at the police academy's shooting range and making a smart comment after a kill? Think again, skills like this only come from real mission experience and intense training that only top military branches in the world can provide.
Aside from his sheer physical superiority in every aspect, Jack Bauer is also clearly more intelligent than McClane. Although he works for CTU, most of the time he is working solo and gathers intel for himself and some of the time even with CTU working against him. The government and CTU have always made bad calls, but I don't recall Bauer ever making a wrong decision. He is intuitive and instinctive, and his instincts have always been right.
Hahaha, holy crap, I did some research and discovered something I didn't know about Bauer.
"Among his honors are the Silver Star, the Purple Heart, and the Legion of Merit" while serving in Delta Force.
No policeman will ever be more skilled and elite than a Delta Force Operator. If you believe otherwise, you're really showing that you know nothing regarding the military. You might consider sticking to comic book characters.
No offence, But I really find it ridiculous and ignorant that someone can say "it doesn't mean anything" to the achievement of being a Delta Force Operator.