Jack Bauer VS John McClane

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See, I love this. You GDFers come here and purposely look to cause problems. You are constantly on the lookout for someone to bash/ridicule/whatever because it makes you feel better about yourself. You make outrageous claims about others, claim they are coming off like Yoda, when they are not. You seriously need to loosen your girdle and take some Midol.

"You GDFer's"? So, this is the only thread outside the GDF you've seen me participate in? I haven't been bashing you, in this thread or any other in which we're interacting. I'm simply saying that you can't admit to not watching a show that is 1/2 of the discussion. I can assure you, I would never call you Yoda. My only point in this is that you can not sit here and fight a point with any certainty if you do not know what you're talking about. And I'm not addressing only this thread or any point you may have made, I'm talking about in general.

I asked, given the popularity of 24 and it's subject of terrorism and the current politial ideology of with us or with the terrorists, if I would be considered a terrorist for never having seen an episode of the show. To which you replied:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, me neither.

So, if I'm a GDF'er, what are you?

Originally posted by jaden101
i love how people actually get upset and angry in these kinds of debates as if they actually mean anything...

I love how people think I'm angry, as though I don't realize this thread isn't a life or death situation.

Originally posted by Devil King
"You GDFer's"? So, this is the only thread outside the GDF you've seen me participate in? I haven't been bashing you, in this thread or any other in which we're interacting. I'm simply saying that you can't admit to not watching a show that is 1/2 of the discussion. I can assure you, I would never call you Yoda. My only point in this is that you can not sit here and fight a point with any certainty if you do not know what you're talking about. And I'm not addressing only this thread or any point you may have made, I'm talking about in general.

I asked, given the popularity of 24 and it's subject of terrorism and the current politial ideology of with us or with the terrorists, if I would be considered a terrorist for never having seen an episode of the show. To which you replied:

So, if I'm a GDF'er, what are you?

Forget the GDF thing, I shouldn't have said that, just go with this:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I know it all? I just admitted I know alot about McLane, and a bit (small bit) about Bauer. When did I say I knew it all? There is a LOT about Bauer and 24 I dont know, but hey, you seem to think you know what's inside my head before I do. I admitted last post I thought you meant you had seen 24 as I had, in passing, never a full episode.

I have seen bits and pieces of 24 while channel surfing, it never really caught my interest, thats all I meant.

And:

Originally posted by Impediment
Calm down, DK.

Let's just enjoy the thread and have a debate. m'kay?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Forget the GDF thing, I shouldn't have said that, just go with this:

And:

Oh, so I'm the only one that said things that imply some measure of outrage?

I must have misunderstood the midol and girdle comment. Just because you thought I was angry or outraged, and said as much and a moderator decided to agree with your assumption, doesn't mean I was angry. I have never understood why a post that is more than 2 or 3 sentences is misconstrude into an angry rant. I'll reitterate my point: Don't actively participate in a thread by offering an opinion with any measure of certainty if you aren't informed enough to do so. And if you do, don't admit to not being informed.

Originally posted by Devil King
Oh, so I'm the only one that said things that imply some measure of outrage?

I must have misunderstood the midol and girdle comment. Just because you thought I was angry or outraged, and said as much and a moderator decided to agree with your assumption, doesn't mean I was angry. I have never understood why a post that is more than 2 or 3 sentences is misconstrude into an angry rant. I'll reitterate my point: Don't actively participate in a thread by offering an opinion with any measure of certainty if you aren't informed enough to do so. And if you do, don't admit to not being informed.

Originally posted by Placidity
Once again, I don't think you understand what being in Delta Force means. It is comparable or even superior to the US Navy SEALs.
Only the best of the best ever make it through. Which means, he is among the best. Why does that seem hard for you to understand?

Also, one does not simply sign up to be a part of Delta Force. In fact, there is no such unit known for enlistment. People get selected because they are the best, not simply because one enlists for it. Eligible recruits must also have the rank of a Sergeant with about 4 years of service. And thats the minimum requirement, in reality you must have a very good history (number of successful high profile missions) to even get noticed.
Recruits that serve in the Delta Force undergo intense and one of the most advanced training compared to other global ops branches. I'm talking skill, intelligence and combat tactics and survival including under interrogation torture. In all 5 seasons, Jack Bauer has never been broken under torture, not even when the Chinese had him for 2 years to try to extract information from him.
You think all these skills come from practicing shooting a pistol at the police academy's shooting range and making a smart comment after a kill? Think again, skills like this only come from real mission experience and intense training that only top military branches in the world can provide.

Aside from his sheer physical superiority in every aspect, Jack Bauer is also clearly more intelligent than McClane. Although he works for CTU, most of the time he is working solo and gathers intel for himself and some of the time even with CTU working against him. The government and CTU have always made bad calls, but I don't recall Bauer ever making a wrong decision. He is intuitive and instinctive, and his instincts have always been right.

Hahaha, holy crap, I did some research and discovered something I didn't know about Bauer.
"Among his honors are the Silver Star, the Purple Heart, and the Legion of Merit" while serving in Delta Force.

No policeman will ever be more skilled and elite than a Delta Force Operator. If you believe otherwise, you're really showing that you know nothing regarding the military. You might consider sticking to comic book characters.

No offence, But I really find it ridiculous and ignorant that someone can say "it doesn't mean anything" to the achievement of being a Delta Force Operator.

Yeah, see, "he was in the delta force", is one line you can put on any fictional character. What they actually show to be capable of should be what is important. If you have a total idiot character but then say he is a badass then your writing is bad. Anyways, it doesn't matter, what either of them actually did on screen is what is important.

Also, only read your first and last sentence, I assume the rest of it is trivial shit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, I said I know alot about McLane, and a bit about Bauer. I dont know all the details about 24, but the basic facts about Jacks capabilities I am aware of, more or less.

You can backtrack faster than a Ferrari in reverse.

Originally posted by Devil King
You can backtrack faster than a Ferrari in reverse.

You expect any one here to buy that you didn't understand what "never seen a single episode" meant?

Dude, let it go. I told you I thought you meant a FULL episode. Take it or leave it, as well as "anyone here."

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, let it go. I told you I thought you meant a FULL episode. Take it or leave it, as well as "anyone here."

I leave it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I leave it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well of course YOU do.

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah....stop trying to justify....I left it. It's left. End of story.

Left.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah....stop trying to justify....I left it. It's left. End of story.

Left.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You feel better now? 😉

Not better or worse. Since I left it. No net gain or loss.

Do you have the little problem that you always need to have the last word?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not better or worse. Since I left it. No net gain or loss.

Do you have the little problem that you always need to have the last word?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so you think McLane would be able to evade the highly trained Bauer?

Not necessarily.

The luck you must have RJ, in having only seen bits and pieces of a show and they just happened to be the very bits and pieces one would need to have seen in order to take part in this thread as an informed poster.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not necessarily.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The only edge McLane has is his incredible luck, and I dont think that is enough in this case.

I take it you changed your mind due to a sheepish awe of ranks, uniforms and authority?