Superman & WWH vs Members or former members of the Avengers

Who wins? No Speedblitz or BFR

Team
Hercules- http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hercules

Namor the Sub-Mariner/black suit- http://www.marvel.com/universe/Namor

Wonder Man- http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wonder_Man

Iron Man- http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iron_Man_%28Anthony_Stark%29

Two formers members

Vision- http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iron_Man_%28Anthony_Stark%29

Crystal- http://www.marvel.com/universe/Crystal

&

She Hulk- http://www.marvel.com/universe/She-Hulk

The duo wrecks the team.

Superman, or possibly even Hulk solo this team.

Superman solo's 9.5/10.

Hulk solo's 3-4/10.

Superman could solo this rather easily. With WWH it's just plain overkill.

Originally posted by icu311
Superman could solo this rather easily. With WWH it's just plain overkill.

I disagree with this post, I dont think that either could solo this but I think putting hulk and superman together to face this team IS overkill. You should put someone weaker then hulk on superman team to make this kind of a match.

both could definitely solo.

Supes could easily solo this team.

So even without his superspeed and bfr option being lost you guys think Superman could defeat these guys by himself? Hard for me to believe

Originally posted by golem370
So even without his superspeed and bfr option being lost you guys think Superman could defeat these guys by himself? Hard for me to believe

Well if there's no speedblitz as specified in OP they can't blitz him either, so he just melts them all with heat vision, that's if he chooses not to one shot them when it's close quaters.
Plus WWH has owned teams and heroes equal to this team in WWH, so the duo take it 10/10.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Superman, or possibly even Hulk solo this team.

Superman solo's 9.5/10.

Hulk solo's 3-4/10.

So this team would beat WWH most of times ? 😆

Byrne's hulk was not WWH and still beat two avengers team with Iron Man, She Hulk, Hercules, Wonder Man, Doc Samson, Namor etc inside....

Really amusing 😆

Originally posted by The Pict
Well if there's no speedblitz as specified in OP they can't blitz him either, so he just melts them all with heat vision, that's if he chooses not to one shot them when it's close quaters.
Plus WWH has owned teams and heroes equal to this team in WWH, so the duo take it 10/10.

I just cant see this team being one shotted let alone 4 shotted by superman. Even if you were to put the blitz on, I think this team has a good chance of beating him. Vision alone has fought inside of a volcanoe and held his own against some of the most top heros and villians in the MU, hell vision stalemated thor and silver surfer. Namor has hung with the best and without heat vision I could see him doing quite fine against superman (but would lose in the end). Wonderman is also a strong tier and very powerful himself and has hung with the best, I could see him doing good also since he was created and established off of superman character. On the field, Iron man IS the most powerful and the most versatile and he would give any of these two a fight but would lose due to being overwhelmed but Iron man is a beast with special gadgets in his suit that would make him a challenge for almost anyone (and no Im not talking about galactus level beings).

She hulk is almost one of the most durable characters out here BUT she is grounded and she wont be able to attack until superman hits the ground but I know she is capable of taking superman punches, if wonder woman can do it I dont see she hulk having a problem also since she durability>wonderwoman.

The team together should be able to bring him down, by themselves superman would crush them.

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
So this team would beat WWH most of times ? 😆

Byrne's hulk was not WWH and still beat two avengers team with Iron Man, She Hulk, Hercules, Wonder Man, Doc Samson, Namor etc inside....

Really amusing 😆

I honestly think that they would have a much harder time against the hulk then they would against superman since WWhulk strength is>>>superman. Hulk TRULY does have the ability to one shot ANYONE on the battlefield including superman. The reason that I said superman also is because weaker people then the hulk has accomplished this and a few to name is titus and despero.

Originally posted by carver9
I just cant see this team being one shotted let alone 4 shotted by superman. Even if you were to put the blitz on, I think this team has a good chance of beating him. Vision alone has fought inside of a volcanoe and held his own against some of the most top heros and villians in the MU, hell vision stalemated thor and silver surfer. Namor has hung with the best and without heat vision I could see him doing quite fine against superman (but would lose in the end). Wonderman is also a strong tier and very powerful himself and has hung with the best, I could see him doing good also since he was created and established off of superman character. On the field, Iron man IS the most powerful and the most versatile and he would give any of these two a fight but would lose due to being overwhelmed but Iron man is a beast with special gadgets in his suit that would make him a challenge for almost anyone (and no Im not talking about galactus level beings).

She hulk is almost one of the most durable characters out here BUT she is grounded and she wont be able to attack until superman hits the ground but I know she is capable of taking superman punches, if wonder woman can do it I dont see she hulk having a problem also since she durability>wonderwoman.

The team together should be able to bring him down, by themselves superman would crush them.

Wonderman and Hercules might not be one-shotted, but they get melted with Supes sun-level heat vision. He solo's them, this team just can't compare to Supes without prep or a speed advantage.
I'm not a Hulk fan but I see him solo'ing the team half the time as well.

Originally posted by carver9
On the field, Iron man IS the most powerful and the most versatile and he would give any of these two a fight but would lose due to being overwhelmed

Didn't seem like he was the most powerful when WWH beat him by himself.

Originally posted by carver9
I honestly think that they would have a much harder time against the hulk then they would against superman since WWhulk strength is>>>superman. Hulk TRULY does have the ability to one shot ANYONE on the battlefield including superman. The reason that I said superman also is because weaker people then the hulk has accomplished this and a few to name is titus and despero.

Eh...Hulk was taking damage from the likes of Emma Frost, Colossus and Strong Guy. Sure all strong characters but not like who the JLA face off against. Superman is much stronger than Hulk, there's no evidence to suggest otherwise so I don't see where you getting this.

Hulk could one shot Superman......do....do you even read comics?

Despero weaker than Hulk.... 😂 😂 😂

Superman, Wonderwoman, Powergirl and Captain Marvel all attacked Despero at the same time and couldn't even knock him down.

with the exception of she-hulk, superman physically dominates anyone on the opposing team, and i doubt shulkie would last that long either given the amount of options he has at his disposal...

he and hulk take a very healthy majority imo...

Originally posted by The Pict
Eh...Hulk was taking damage from the likes of Emma Frost, Colossus and Strong Guy. Sure all strong characters but not like who the JLA face off against. Superman is much stronger than Hulk, there's no evidence to suggest otherwise so I don't see where you getting this.

Hulk could one shot Superman......do....do you even read comics?

Despero weaker than Hulk.... 😂 😂 😂

Superman, Wonderwoman, Powergirl and Captain Marvel all attacked Despero at the same time and couldn't even knock him down.

WWh would one shot Superman as Doc Samson, The Thing, She Hulk, Ares, Hercules and everyone else whose name is not Sentry or Zom/Strange.

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
WWh would one shot Superman .

He wouldn't.

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
WWh would one shot Superman as Doc Samson, The Thing, She Hulk, Ares, Hercules and everyone else whose name is not Sentry or Zom/Strange.

😂 fail.

Originally posted by The Pict
Eh...Hulk was taking damage from the likes of Emma Frost, Colossus and Strong Guy. Sure all strong characters but not like who the JLA face off against. Superman is much stronger than Hulk, there's no evidence to suggest otherwise so I don't see where you getting this.

Hulk could one shot Superman......do....do you even read comics?

Despero weaker than Hulk.... 😂 😂 😂

Superman, Wonderwoman, Powergirl and Captain Marvel all attacked Despero at the same time and couldn't even knock him down.

Wow, you really dont know what youre talking about. I cant believe you just said superman is stronger then the most stronger comic book character out there right now. Answer this for me, do you think that superman can jump in the core of a splitting planet and grab both pieces and put the planet back together with nothing but strength. How many tons do you think hulk was holding during that moment, can we say trillions and trillions and he did it effortlessly in the wwh arc. Despero showed nothing to make me think that he was stronger or more durable then hulk. He might didnt flinch when superman and cap marvel was punching him but he almost got his head took off when hawk man hit him in the head with that mace. How do you think he lost teeth. Again hulk strength>>>>Superman strength.

Do you know what more powerful mean, Im going to give you an example, ok.Namor is more powerful then wolverine but wolverine can beat him. Thing is more powerful then wolverine and spiderman but both have the ability to beat him. Thor is more powerful then mangog but mangog has proven that he can beat thor. Do you get it, iron man possess more powers but the power that superman has at his disposal is just better. Superman is more familar and know how to use the power he has better then iron man does and the powers that Iron man has might not be able to work against superman but that still dont change the fact that ironman is still more powerful.

And yes I do read comics, thats how I know that hulk is>>titus and despero. None have proven to be above him and again both have one shotted superman.

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
WWh would one shot Superman as Doc Samson, The Thing, She Hulk, Ares, Hercules and everyone else whose name is not Sentry or Zom/Strange.

None of there durability is comparable to supermans except sentry (i give a small edge to sentry in regards to durability) and wwh wasnt even trying to kill sentry during there fight. It appeared as if he was holding back.