Originally posted by carver9
Wow, you really dont know what youre talking about. I cant believe you just said superman is stronger then the most stronger comic book character out there right now. Answer this for me, do you think that superman can jump in the core of a splitting planet and grab both pieces and put the planet back together with nothing but strength. How many tons do you think hulk was holding during that moment, can we say trillions and trillions and he did it effortlessly in the wwh arc. Despero showed nothing to make me think that he was stronger or more durable then hulk. He might didnt flinch when superman and cap marvel was punching him but he almost got his head took off when hawk man hit him in the head with that mace. How do you think he lost teeth. Again hulk strength>>>>Superman strength.
Are you just going to ignore every strength feat Superman has had throughout decades of comics? Yeah Supes could hold two of a planets plates together, give me some evidence to show one of DC's most powerful heroes couldn't.
Also saying "I cant believe you just said superman is stronger then the most stronger comic book character out there right now" is just plain stupid. Not just because it doesn't make much sense but because it's also not true. WWH expended all his energy fighting Sentry, he couldn't stop Juggernaut and was losing to Strange/Zom until Strange's personality took back control. And saying "comic book character" means comparing him to a host of other companies characters who's strength levels all eclipse Hulk's.
Originally posted by carver9
Do you know what more powerful mean, Im going to give you an example, ok.Namor is more powerful then wolverine but wolverine can beat him. Thing is more powerful then wolverine and spiderman but both have the ability to beat him. Thor is more powerful then mangog but mangog has proven that he can beat thor. Do you get it, iron man possess more powers but the power that superman has at his disposal is just better. Superman is more familar and know how to use the power he has better then iron man does and the powers that Iron man has might not be able to work against superman but that still dont change the fact that ironman is still more powerful.
Ironman is more powerful than Superman? What are you smoking!?
Originally posted by carver9
And yes I do read comics, thats how I know that hulk is>>titus and despero. None have proven to be above him and again both have one shotted superman.
Proven to be below Hulk....I laid out a perfect example as to why Despero is stronger than Hulk.
Supes and WWH for the win
Just my opinion on the supes and hulk strongest thing....
Superman starts out stronger than the hulk,but the hulk can get stronger than him
Superman starts out about the same as WWH..edge to superman
WWH can and will get stronger than superman
Superman is stronger than wwh while sundipped
WWH can get stronger than superman sundipped
Now this is not fighting eachother, as i think supes would win fast enough, but under ideal circumstances....lets say a lifting contest....hulk will win in the end...just my opinion
Originally posted by The Pict
Are you just going to ignore every strength feat Superman has had throughout decades of comics? Yeah Supes could hold two of a planets plates together, give me some evidence to show one of DC's most powerful heroes couldn't.Also saying "I cant believe you just said superman is stronger then the most stronger comic book character out there right now" is just plain stupid. Not just because it doesn't make much sense but because it's also not true. WWH expended all his energy fighting Sentry, he couldn't stop Juggernaut and was losing to Strange/Zom until Strange's personality took back control. And saying "comic book character" means comparing him to a host of other companies characters who's strength levels all eclipse Hulk's.
Ironman is more powerful than Superman? What are you smoking!?
Proven to be below Hulk....I laid out a perfect example as to why Despero is stronger than Hulk.
Youre a trip, Im not ignoring anything, i dont know what strength feat youre referring to but I can name something that comes to mind for ya. What about superman struggling to move a damn moon and he had to get the aid of wonderwoman and the martian to help him. What about composite superman, one of the strongest versions of superman struggling to move the moon and again needed the aid of wonder woman and the martial to budge the moon. Hulk holding a planet together>>>>moving 1/3 of a moon, which again could have been nothing but flight strength for that feat which makes the feat even worse. How about this, green lantern traps titus in a box that had the weight of 100 tons and he struggled to bust lose and this is the same guy that one shotted superman. Heres another one for you, despero struggling to hold up something that was the size of a mountain and couldnt even throw it from his hands, which caused his defeat but yet hes stronger then hulk who lifted a mountain and then threw it off of him and again held a planet together. What feats are there that you are using for superman that makes you think that he has greater strength then hulk.
Ironman is more powerful then superman but superman is more developed in his powers and has better powers then ironman. Thats why he would walk away with a 10/10 everytime against ironman. Superman only power is damn heat vision, ice breath, super strength, and flight, plus durability, Ironman has all of those powers plus interest.
Originally posted by starlock
Supes and WWH for the winJust my opinion on the supes and hulk strongest thing....
Superman starts out stronger than the hulk,but the hulk can get stronger than him
Superman starts out about the same as WWH..edge to superman
WWH can and will get stronger than superman
Superman is stronger than wwh while sundipped
WWH can get stronger than superman sundippedNow this is not fighting eachother, as i think supes would win fast enough, but under ideal circumstances....lets say a lifting contest....hulk will win in the end...just my opinion
Which is a good opinion, even though I think that wwh starts out stronger then superman also. Now if this was regular hulk, then yes superman does start out stronger but this is a hulk that already walks around in rage and has been classified as being the most powerful version of hulk. Yes he starts off far stronger then superman and is alway stronger then superman.
Originally posted by The Pict
Agreed. That's why he was having a chat with Hulk throughout their fight.
By the way, the answer to you juggernaut debate is that cyttorak grants marko unlimited strength. This has been established since the beginning of markos career and it was said again during the time marko was looking for the crystal in the tombs again and the narrator said that the gem gave marko unlimited strength and durability. So yes, I agree, a being of juggernaut caliber has the ability to push wwh back, since he has no cap on his strength unlike superman. You do know that doc strange looked into the future and it showed that juggernaut will lose his mental state and be responsible for killing every being on the planet. You really do underestimate the juggernaut, a guy that one shotted the stranger and walks through the xmen attack like its nothing but water.
These are some of ironman powers.
The Iron Man armor provides Stark with superhuman strength and physical protection. It allows Stark to fly using the jetboots. The armor contains a variety of weapons including repulsor rays, pulse beams, missile launchers, lasers, tasers, and flamethrowers. The unibeam in the center of his chest can emit various types of light energy and his helmet contains communication devices, scanning equipment, and recording devices.
Lets not forget that he has a built in spider sense, has magnetic powers, has a force field that can take nukes, can absorb powers, and thats not the beginning.
Originally posted by carver9
I know and Im glad that someone came in here to at least try and change the subject.Thanks 😄
😕 You were the first to pit them together, saying Hulk would one-shot Superman
Originally posted by carver9
Youre a trip, Im not ignoring anything, i dont know what strength feat youre referring to but I can name something that comes to mind for ya. What about superman struggling to move a damn moon and he had to get the aid of wonderwoman and the martian to help him. What about composite superman, one of the strongest versions of superman struggling to move the moon and again needed the aid of wonder woman and the martial to budge the moon. Hulk holding a planet together>>>>moving 1/3 of a moon, which again could have been nothing but flight strength for that feat which makes the feat even worse. How about this, green lantern traps titus in a box that had the weight of 100 tons and he struggled to bust lose and this is the same guy that one shotted superman. Heres another one for you, despero struggling to hold up something that was the size of a mountain and couldnt even throw it from his hands, which caused his defeat but yet hes stronger then hulk who lifted a mountain and then threw it off of him and again held a planet together. What feats are there that you are using for superman that makes you think that he has greater strength then hulk.
There's a Superman respect thread. Read it before replying "hulk is stronger then superman" The very first page should change your opinion (well you seem Hulk biased so maybe not)
Plus I've already mentioned that Hulk was taking damage from lower level characters in one of his most powerful forms. You think Emma Frost, Colossus, Strong guy are all > Superman or Despero?
Despero said in Virtue and Vice he's physically evolved. Virtue and Vice was written before WWH so that's why I said he was stronger. If Supes, WW, PG and CM tackled Hulk at the same time there'd be nothing left but a green stain.
Originally posted by carver9
Ironman is more powerful then superman but superman is more developed in his powers and has better powers then ironman. Thats why he would walk away with a 10/10 everytime against ironman. Superman only power is damn heat vision, ice breath, super strength, and flight, plus durability, Ironman has all of those powers plus interest.
Besides intelligence Superman is more powerful than Tony Stark in every way.
Ironman has heat vision, ice breath does he? He can fly at light speeds? Get outta here!
I know what Ironman's powers are, thanks very much. He's still not as powerful as Superman.
Originally posted by The Pict
😕 You were the first to pit them together, saying Hulk would one-shot SupermanThere's a Superman respect thread. Read it before replying "hulk is stronger then superman" The very first page should change your opinion (well you seem Hulk biased so maybe not)
Plus I've already mentioned that Hulk was taking damage from lower level characters in one of his most powerful forms. You think Emma Frost, Colossus, Strong guy are all > Superman or Despero?
Despero said in Virtue and Vice he's physically evolved. Virtue and Vice was written before WWH so that's why I said he was stronger. If Supes, WW, PG and CM tackled Hulk at the same time there'd be nothing left but a green stain.Besides intelligence Superman is more powerful than Tony Stark in every way.
Ironman has heat vision, ice breath does he? He can fly at light speeds? Get outta here!
I know what Ironman's powers are, thanks very much. He's still not as powerful as Superman.
I did post that hulk can one shot superman but you didnt have to comment on it. Thats where our argument began.
I dont need to read or go to his respect thread because I might own more superman comics then whats posted in there, so its pointless. I have been to both of there threads and superman havent shown anything to make me think that he is even remotely close to being stronger then hulk.
The answer to your xmen post is that even though I know this was a crossover and its not cannon, jean grey held her own against superman and basically stalemated him with nothing but telepathy. Aquaman has held his own against superman, deathstroke did pretty good against superman, batman has done fine against superman, black canary almost knocked him the hell out in virtue and vice, solomon grundy who havent shown me anything without any upgrades did good against superman and colossus>grundy. I can go on for days but its pointless because its not going anywhere.
I disagree about all those top tiers attacking hulk at once and him becoming paste since the entire avengers team couldnt even make hulk flinch during a confrontation and the team consisted of thor (100 incaculable strength), iron man (90 tonner), hercules (incaculable strength), wonderman (100 tonner), vision (100 tonner), she hulk (100 tonner), giant man (90 tonner), plus other avengers and he was getting more powerful and stronger by the second. He wasnt even registering there punches. So I highly doubt that despero is more powerful then a enraged hulk.
So your telling me that ironman never shot a blast that was stated as having the heat of the sun, maybe you need to read iron man and yes iron man flew from the earth to the sun in one panel, that sound like light speed to me. ISnt that how you compare superman speed by panels, so the same can be used for iron man.
Originally posted by The Pict
Agreed. That's why he was having a chat with Hulk throughout their fight.
Got a question for ya.
Whos more powerful, superman or despero?
Whos more powerful, superman or titus?
Whos more powerful, superman or metallo?
Whos more powerful, superman or mongul?
Whos more powerful, superman or lobo?
Whos more powerful, superman or orion without his motherbox?
Whos more powerful, superman or wonderwoman?
Whos more powerful superman or captain marvel (before possess the raw power that he currently have)?
I think that superman is more powerful then every one that I named but I think that each of them could possibly get a majority or get some wins over him even though hes more power then them.
2 quick facts.
1 - This is a spite thread in favor of team 1.
2 - Superman and WWH are both capable of one-shotting each other...at potentially any time. The difference is that WWH is actually more durable in the long run. Time is always in WWH's favor. Superman has the advantage early on - if he unleashed all of his power and connects he is capable of an early KO, but it has to be VERY early due to how close WWH is to Superman in Strength and Durabilty (+WWH has regen, Supes Doesn't). Remember Supes has a much higher edge early on versus regular Hulk than he does with WWH.
WWH however clearly takes any extended fights with almost anyone in comics - he only becomes more durable, destructive, and more than as powerful as he needs to be. He would be beyond Superman's ability to phase him potentially in mere minutes of any encounter.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
2 quick facts.1 - This is a spite thread in favor of team 1.
2 - Superman and WWH are both capable of one-shotting each other...at potentially any time. The difference is that WWH is actually more durable in the long run. Superman has the advantage early on - if he unleashed all of his power and connects he is capable of an early KO, WWH clearly takes any extended fights with almost anyone in comics - he only becomes more durable, destructive, and more than as powerful as he needs to be.
great post (even though again I think that wwh starts off stronger then superman). I also disagree with the early ko since hulk has taken so much more and still fought strong. Gladiator began his fight off using all of his tricks but it didnt get him anywhere. Hyperion tried the same things with no results and this hulk is 10 times stronger then the hulk that they faced.
Originally posted by carver9
great post (even though again I think that wwh starts off stronger then superman). I also disagree with the early ko since hulk has taken so much more and still fought strong. Gladiator began his fight off using all of his tricks but it didnt get him anywhere. Hyperion tried the same things with no results and this hulk is 10 times stronger then the hulk that they faced.
Well it depends on what point you are talking about in WWH.
World Breaker for instance is beyond standard Supes...almost devastating the entire seaboard with mere footsteps...and not even trying. But at other points WWH was shown to be much closer to standard Superman in both durability and strength.
There is no question that WWH would surpass him quickly though....and would continue to get all-around stronger in whatever areas he needs to be (Strength, Regen, Durabilty).
Originally posted by carver9
No, in comics unless you can show me a god saying that superman has infinite strength.
hulk starts off every match with infinite strength?
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Originally posted by carver9
Got a question for ya.Whos more powerful, superman or despero?
Whos more powerful, superman or titus?
Whos more powerful, superman or metallo?
Whos more powerful, superman or mongul?
Whos more powerful, superman or lobo?
Whos more powerful, superman or orion without his motherbox?
Whos more powerful, superman or wonderwoman?
Whos more powerful superman or captain marvel (before possess the raw power that he currently have)?I think that superman is more powerful then every one that I named but I think that each of them could possibly get a majority or get some wins over him even though hes more power then them.
despero is more powerful than superman... and would wreck this avengers team with little difficulty...