Originally posted by horrorwolf
hulk starts off every match with infinite strength?Regular Hulk has always been stated to have Infinite Strength. WWH just starts at a much higher base.
And Yeah Despero would take team 2 as well....(he could largely utilize his mental blasts too)
he doesnt start off with infinite strength, though... he's at a base level that increases the angrier he gets... or was that changed?
Originally posted by Raoul
hulk starts off every match with infinite strength?😬
despero is more powerful than superman... and would wreck this avengers team with little difficulty...
Im not saying that he starts off with infinite strength but the other guy I was debating with said that superman is just overall stronger then hulk and was asking me to go to his respect thread because I would see things on there that would change my mind. Thats why I said that comment. I agree, superman is stronger then a calm hulk or they might be equals but as seconds go by hulk would become much stronger then superman.
Im guessing Im mixing up power and versatility because I would say that superman is more powerful because he possess more powerfs but despero just possess more destructive force but I guess I should say that superman is more versatile then despero. Do you agree?
Originally posted by Raoul
he doesnt start off with infinite strength, though... he's at a base level that increases the angrier he gets... or was that changed?
I know what you are saying, but I think you are talking about base strength levels. Usually Savage Hulk's early base strength levels are generally lower than say Superman's.
But Hulk is ALWAYS capable of surpassing him at any given moment. Thats the infinite strength capability that Hulk always "starts off" with.
The thing with Hulk is that he generally uses the damage his opponents dish out to channel his anger through punishment - making him stronger.
Originally posted by carver9
Im not saying that he starts off with infinite strength but the other guy I was debating with said that superman is just overall stronger then hulk and was asking me to go to his respect thread because I would see things on there that would change my mind. Thats why I said that comment. I agree, superman is stronger then a calm hulk or they might be equals but as seconds go by hulk would become much stronger then superman.Im guessing Im mixing up power and versatility because I would say that superman is more powerful because he possess more powerfs but despero just possess more destructive force but I guess I should say that superman is more versatile then despero. Do you agree?
superman has more powers at his disposal, and has beaten despero by himself, but despero has better showings against superman than vice versa...
Originally posted by horrorwolf
I know what you are saying, but I think you are talking about base strength levels. Usually Savage Hulk's early base strength levels are generally lower than say Superman's.But Hulk is ALWAYS capable of surpassing him at any given moment. Thats the infinite strength capability that Hulk always "starts off" with.
The thing with Hulk is that he generally uses the damage his opponents dish out to channel his anger through punishment - making him stronger.
i wonder how hulk would react to being flash frozen or blasted with full force hv...
amazing how the avengers team is so weak that it comes down to superman v hulk lol...
Originally posted by Raoul
i wonder how hulk would react to being flash frozen or blasted with full force hv...amazing how the avengers team is so weak that it comes down to superman v hulk lol...
Well regular ol' Savage Hulk fares pretty well vs effects of cellular freezing and heat...so I'd imagine the effects on World World Hulk would be even less.
Originally posted by Raoul
superman has more powers at his disposal, and has beaten despero by himself, but despero has better showings against superman than vice versa...i wonder how hulk would react to being flash frozen or blasted with full force hv...
amazing how the avengers team is so weak that it comes down to superman v hulk lol...
1st thing who's going to flash freeze him and if we are referring to superman (flash freeze sounds like your saying freeze his inside also which is something that i never seen superman do.), why didnt he use that same technique on despero, wonderwoman, solomon grundy, etc..... The heat vision, I think hulk could walk through that. In order for superman to beat hulk hes going to have to bring this f2f, in a physical confrontation and thats where he would lose if we're talking about wwh, or even war hulk, or an amped savage hulk. Mindless hulk would win also.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
2 quick facts.1 - This is a spite thread in favor of team 1.
2 The difference is that WWH is actually more durable in the long run. Time is always in WWH's favor. Superman has the advantage early on - if he unleashed all of his power and connects he is capable of an early KO, but it has to be VERY early due to how close WWH is to Superman in Strength and Durabilty (+WWH has regen, Supes Doesn't). Remember Supes has a much higher edge early on versus regular Hulk than he does with WWH.
Umm....no. Supes does regenerate, courtesy of the sun. And Hulk more durable, than Superman!? When WWH fought the X-Men he was taking damage from inferior opponents like Emma Frost and was pierced by Warpath's knifes 😬
Originally posted by horrorwolf
WWH however clearly takes any extended fights with almost anyone in comics - he only becomes more durable, destructive, and more than as powerful as he needs to be. He would be beyond Superman's ability to phase him potentially in mere minutes of any encounter.
Not true at all. Plus he drained himself against Sentry and reverted back to Bruce Banner. And he wouldn't have beaten Juggernaut without bfr.
Originally posted by carver9
Can you show me an example of him doing this, especially against someone with the durability and healing factor that hulk has. I just cant see this happening.
There is that respect thread that you didn't want to check earlier because you thought it would be pointless....
Originally posted by The Pict
Umm....no. Supes does regenerate, courtesy of the sun. And Hulk more durable, than Superman!? When WWH fought the X-Men he was taking damage from inferior opponents like Emma Frost and was pierced by Warpath's knifes 😬
BS.
Yes, Hulk sometimes bleeds from shards or adamantium as much as Wolverine does, Why he has gotten shot in the brain as Banner and Hulked out to reverse it, Had over 90% of his skin removed, had a huge hole punched through the center of his chest....etc. And he takes damage like that all the time....problem is, it doesn't stop him...He just regenerates in moments all the while getting even Stronger. Thats what makes him Hulk.
He always gets up and becomes stronger as long as the fight goes on. Hulk WILL be back in minutes to continue fighting. Thats the reason Hulk has taken extreme punishment and has no scratches by the end of the fight.
Unlike Superman who got pierced and died due to blood loss, exhaustion and physical damage recieved.
And I'd love to see a scan of Superman's regenrative capabilities, as I've NEVER seen any such thing...however I'd imagine it would've come in handy vs Doomsday. Sadly that wasn't the case.
Originally posted by carver9
What about superman struggling to move a damn moon and he had to get the aid of wonderwoman and the martian to help him.
Why the hell do you always take this out of context? I've already told you several times that they were 'struggling' to move the moon becuase they were moving it at high-speed towards the Earth, and then making quick turn to avoid having the moon collied with the Eatrth, while lunar gravity was nullified the whole time.
Originally posted by carver9
What about composite superman, one of the strongest versions of superman struggling to move the moon and again needed the aid of wonder woman and the martial to budge the moon.
What the hell are you talking about? Composite Superman is a Pre-Crisis villain, and he never attempted to move the moon with the help of Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman.
Originally posted by carver9
which again could have been nothing but flight strength for that feat which makes the feat even worse.
Lunar gravity was nullified.
Originally posted by carver9
Heres another one for you, despero struggling to hold up something that was the size of a mountain and couldnt even throw it from his hands, which caused his defeat
That was the Rock of Eternity. 😐
The fact that Despero was able to hold it off is very impressive.
Originally posted by The Pict
Eh...Hulk was taking damage from the likes of Emma Frost, Colossus and Strong Guy. Sure all strong characters but not like who the JLA face off against. Superman is much stronger than Hulk, there's no evidence to suggest otherwise so I don't see where you getting this.Hulk could one shot Superman......do....do you even read comics?
Despero weaker than Hulk.... 😂 😂 😂
Superman, Wonderwoman, Powergirl and Captain Marvel all attacked Despero at the same time and couldn't even knock him down.
WWH is quite a different animal than the common ol' HULK. There is nothing that suggests that Current Superman is stronger than WWH.
Despero IS weaker than WWH IMO.
Supes,WW,PG,CM not being able to knock him down actually has nothing to do with Despero's strength but, more to do with his durability.
FTR duo kills the team.
Originally posted by The Illuminati
WWH is quite a different animal than the common ol' HULK. There is nothing that suggests that Current Superman is stronger than WWH.Despero IS weaker than WWH IMO.
Supes,WW,PG,CM not being able to knock him down actually has nothing to do with Despero's strength but, more to do with his durability.
FTR duo kills the team.
great post and Rorschach glad to see you, I will deal with your post when I get home. Its very easy to handle you since I have stomped you in almost every debate me and you had.
Originally posted by carver9
1st thing who's going to flash freeze him and if we are referring to superman (flash freeze sounds like your saying freeze his inside also which is something that i never seen superman do.), why didnt he use that same technique on despero, wonderwoman, solomon grundy, etc..... The heat vision, I think hulk could walk through that. In order for superman to beat hulk hes going to have to bring this f2f, in a physical confrontation and thats where he would lose if we're talking about wwh, or even war hulk, or an amped savage hulk. Mindless hulk would win also.
Originally posted by carver9
Can you show me an example of him doing this, especially against someone with the durability and healing factor that hulk has. I just cant see this happening.
he's knocked despero out with one blast of hv, the same despero that took on the jla and jsa at the same time with little difficulty...
he's flash frozen diana (parts of her at least, though there's no reason he can't do it to someone completely)
he has killed solomon grundy before using physical force...
there was an issue a while back, during the ruin arc, he was fighting this guy with a suit of armour, and in seconds superman calculated the melting point of the armour, and then melted it...
hulk shouldnt be able to walk through a full force cyclops blast, and superman's hv >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclops...
Originally posted by carver9
great post and Rorschach glad to see you, I will deal with your post when I get home. Its very easy to handle you since I have stomped you in almost every debate me and you had.
Is that why you once had to actually ask me to let you win?
Originally posted by carver9
But I would like for you to give up on this one and just let me win.
Originally posted by Raoul
he's knocked despero out with one blast of hv, the same despero that took on the jla and jsa at the same time with little difficulty...he's flash frozen diana (parts of her at least, though there's no reason he can't do it to someone completely)
he has killed solomon grundy before using physical force...
there was an issue a while back, during the ruin arc, he was fighting this guy with a suit of armour, and in seconds superman calculated the melting point of the armour, and then melted it...
hulk shouldnt be able to walk through a full force cyclops blast, and superman's hv >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclops...
and that is complete bs that he knocked out a guy that once one shotted him and walked through all of his punches. Sounds like bad writing to me.
He did freeze diana but she effortlessly got out of it with no problem and remember hulk durability and strength is >> diana.
he might did kill solomon grundy but again thats nothing special since batman has hammered solomon on so many of occasions. If batman mere strength can ko solomon grundy more then once then superman strength shouldnt be a problem.
Not bad what superman did to that guy armor but it dont sound like something that iron man cant pull off and guess what hulk would mud stomp iron man also.
Why are you comparing cyclops and superman heat vision, one is conconsive force and the other is basically a source of heat. Its two different things. When hulk was walking through cyclops blast it was basically hulk getting railed by punches. And why would you say that Superman blast is>>cyclops when both have had good things said about them. Hell it was stated by a narrator more then once that cyclops blast alone is strong enough to destroy a moon. Thats pretty powerful if you ask me.
Good post though, I know that youll come back with something. By the way the duo wrecks this team but alone this team has a better chance of beating anyone of them struggling more against hulk due to his stamina, durability, and unlimited strength.