Originally posted by Rorschach
Is that why you once had to actually ask me to let you win?
That night you did pretty good against me and I give you credit you had me convince about whatever it was we were talking about. Youre a great debator and one of the best but your words dont come with proof and thats your downfall.
Originally posted by carver9he might did kill solomon grundy but again thats nothing special since batman has hammered solomon on so many of occasions that its ridiculous. If batman mere strength can ko solomon grundy more then once then superman strength shouldnt be a problem.
Do you know how Grundy's powers work? Every time he comes back from the dead his strength, durability, and, intelligence changes. That's why Batman can take him out in one comic, and in another comic he's taking on the JSA. The Grundy that Superman killed wasn't one that Batman could take out in a physical confrontation, he was taking on both Superman and Alan Scott.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Why the hell do you always take this out of context? I've already told you several times that they were 'struggling' to move the moon becuase they were moving it at high-speed towards the Earth, and then making quick turn to avoid having the moon collied with the Eatrth, while lunar gravity was nullified the whole time.What the hell are you talking about? Composite Superman is a Pre-Crisis villain, and he never attempted to move the moon with the help of Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman.
Lunar gravity was nullified.
That was the Rock of Eternity. 😐
The fact that Despero was able to hold it off is very impressive.
Where are you getting this moving at high speed thing when it was never stated in the comic. This is something that you are using just to make the feat more impressive if you ask me.
Not composite superman but blue superman. My bad.
Show me where it states that the gravity was nullified.
I know it was the rock of eternity but guess which still appeared to have the weight of a small mountain and he struggled to hold it. Now if you show me something stating that since it is the rock of eternity its density and weight is tripled then that feat isnt that impressive since a calm hulk mimic the same feat but better.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Do you know how Grundy's powers work? Every time he comes back from the dead his strength, durability, and, intelligence changes. That's why Batman can take him out in one comic, and in another comic he's taking on the JSA. The Grundy that Superman killed wasn't one that Batman could take out in a physical confrontation, he was taking on both Superman and Alan Scott.
but how are you guessing that the one that superman has fought (you do know that they fought more then twice right) isnt comparable to the one that superman seem to struggle against. Is this just your guess or do you have proof to back you claim.
Originally posted by Rorschach
I'm not a good debater. I even suffer from dyslexia, and dementia. The only reason you ever claim I'm a good debater is because you're absolutely terrible at debating.
Whatever, just answer my post and move on.
By the way that was a good one but Im not going to make a comeback because its pointless.
Originally posted by carver9
Where are you getting this moving at high speed thing when it was never stated in the comic. This is something that you are using just to make the feat more impressive if you ask me.
That was the League was trying to accomplish. Have you actually read the comic? They were going to use the heat of reentry to defeat all the White Martians.
Originally posted by carver9
Not composite superman but blue superman. My bad.
He didn't have any help from Wonder Woman or Martian Manhunter.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me where it states that the gravity was nullified.
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/SonicKMC/nulify.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
I know it was the rock of eternity but guess which still appeared to have the weight of a small mountain and he struggled to hold it. Now if you show me something stating that since it is the rock of eternity its density and weight is tripled then that feat isnt that impressive since a calm hulk mimic the same feat but better.
It appeared to be the size of a large rock. And he didn’t appear to struggle to hold it. He was holding it off while Sandman tried to crush him with it. You’re not going to find any comic where it’s stated how much the ROE weighs, but isn’t some ordinary rock.
Originally posted by carver9
but how are you guessing that the one that superman has fought (you do know that they fought more then twice right) isnt comparable to the one that superman seem to struggle against. Is this just your guess or do you have proof to back you claim.
What are you talking about? I just said that the Grundy that Superman killed was powerful enough to take on both Green Lantern (Alan Scott), and Superman, so therefore he wasn't one of the weaker versions that Batman could beat with a couple of kicks and punches.
Originally posted by carver9
Youre right along with me, might be worse, especially thinking superman is stronger then hulk.
He is though, give me a feat from Hulk that Superman can't match.
I might not be particularly clever but I'm not a poor debator, if I can be so big-headed, I don't do what you do, pluck my "knowledge" from nowhere. Also I have a good standard of English and some of your posts are barely legible (sorry that's a personal pop at you, but some paragraphs just haven't made sense)
Earlier I suggested you look at the respect thread to see some feats from Supes but you said you had more comics than would ever be posted in there so there was no point, but you had to keep asking Raoul for proof of some of his claims, which are quite basic knowledge if you know anything about Superman.
Also you seem to have ignored a lot of points I brought up about Hulk's durability, instead continually saying "Hulk is stronger than Superman"
Originally posted by Rorschach
That was the League was trying to accomplish. Have you actually read the comic? They were going to use the heat of reentry to defeat all the White Martians.He didn't have any help from Wonder Woman or Martian Manhunter.
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/SonicKMC/nulify.jpg
It appeared to be the [b]size
of a large rock. And he didn’t appear to struggle to hold it. He was holding it off while Sandman tried to crush him with it. You’re not going to find any comic where it’s stated how much the ROE weighs, but isn’t some ordinary rock. [/B]
I know all about that scan that you presented but I asked you to show me the scan where it is brought up that gravity was being pulled against the moon. The moon was moved in a specific position for a reason but there was no on panel proof saying that they were unable to move the moon due to outside interference.
Youre right about blue superman, a friend of mine here said that he did it alone and emailed me a scan but it still appears as if he was struggling and this was one of the strongest versions of superman.
I know it appeared to be the size of a large rock and also appeared having the density of a small moutain but fail to throw the rock off of himself which caused his defeat. It was still impressive but its still is still a feat that a calm hulk did in the past.
Originally posted by The Pict
He is though, give me a feat from Hulk that Superman can't match.I might not be particularly clever but I'm not a poor debator, if I can be so big-headed, I don't do what you do, pluck my "knowledge" from nowhere. Also I have a good standard of English and some of your posts are barely legible (sorry that's a personal pop at you, but some paragraphs just haven't made sense)
Earlier I suggested you look at the respect thread to see some feats from Supes but you said you had more comics than would ever be posted in there so there was no point, but you had to keep asking Raoul for proof of some of his claims, which are quite basic knowledge if you know anything about Superman.
Also you seem to have ignored a lot of points I brought up about Hulk's durability, instead continually saying "Hulk is stronger than Superman"
Whats up with all the insults, I havent insulted you yet since I have begun posting in this battle thread.
If you dont know that hulk is stronger then superman then thats your fault for not knowing the character. Hulk by far is one of the stronger comic character ever created and that was since the beginning of his creation. Hulk strength has been compared to celestials.
Im going to tell you just like you told me, go to hulks respect thread and you'll learn a lot there. Out of all the marvel hero's and villians on the planet, hulk was the only being capable of destroying onslaught armor and during that time his punches packed so much force that it was creating hurricanes that even the mighting thor couldnt stand from.
Originally posted by carver9
Whats up with all the insults, I havent insulted you yet since I have begun posting in this battle thread.If you dont know that hulk is stronger then superman then thats your fault for not knowing the character. Hulk by far is one of the stronger comic character ever created and that was since the beginning of his creation. Hulk strength has been compared to celestials.
Im going to tell you just like you told me, go to hulks respect thread and you'll learn a lot there. Out of all the marvel hero's and villians on the planet, hulk was the only being capable of destroying onslaught armor and during that time his punches packed so much force that it was creating hurricanes that even the mighting thor couldnt stand from.
Hulk is one of the strongest characters in comics, there's no doubt but I don't think he's a strong as Superman, he could get there sure, but he hasn't yet. And you have to remember there's a big difference between DC and Marvel, Superman regularly tangled with Despero, Darkseid and Doomsday whereas WWH was shown his blood from the New Mutants, She Hulk and Thing.
Originally posted by carver9
I know all about that scan that you presented but I asked you to show me the scan where it is brought up that gravity was being pulled against the moon. The moon was moved in a specific position for a reason but there was no on panel proof saying that they were unable to move the moon due to outside interference.
What the hell are you talking about? Did you even read what I said in my original post? I told you that Superman, Wonder Woman, and Kyle Rayner (because Martian Manhunter was not helping them move the moon) were moving the moon at a high-speed towards Earth, and then had to quickly have the moon avoid colliding with the Earth while lunar gravity was nullified. You asked me to show you where it was stated that the gravity was nullified, and I did just that.
Originally posted by carver9
Youre right about blue superman, a friend of mine here said that he did it alone and emailed me a scan but it still appears as if he was struggling and this was one of the strongest versions of superman.
Superman Blue doesn't move planets/moons the same way regular Superman does. He was putting the Moon back to it's orbit, while resisting the effects of Neron's puppet moon. Yeah, he might have struggled to accomplish that feat, but he still got the job done.
Originally posted by carver9
I know it appeared to be the size of a large rock and also appeared having the density of a small moutain but fail to throw the rock off of himself which caused his defeat. It was still impressive but its still is still a feat that a calm hulk did in the past.
That wasn't what cost him the battle. He was holding off the Rock of Eternity, telling Sandman that he could not be destroyed so easily, then Alan and Kyle showed up with Johnny Sorrow, which forced Despero out of Luthor's body.
Originally posted by The Pict
Hulk is one of the strongest characters in comics, there's no doubt but I don't think he's a strong as Superman, he could get there sure, but he hasn't yet. And you have to remember there's a big difference between DC and Marvel, Superman regularly tangled with Despero, Darkseid and Doomsday whereas WWH was shown his blood from the New Mutants, She Hulk and Thing.
Yeah superman does tackle with despero who one shotted him, darkseid who isnt what he use to be and bled from a batkick, and doomsday who basically killed him and has been weaker since then.
You just dont get my point do you. It dont matter who hulk has tangled with, hulk is still stronger. War hulk who is much weaker then wwh lifted up a pyramid, that billions of tons. WWh lifted held a planet together under his own power, that feat alone is trillions and trillions of tons, hulk stepped on the planet and almost destroyed the sea board and it was stated that if he stepped again he could have destroyed the entire planet.
What superman strength feats are you using that makes you think that he is stronger then hulk, let me guess, him pulling the wheel, that feat has already been debated through the forum and established as a feat that isnt as impressive as people make it. What feat is there that you are using to make yourself think that he is even remotely close to hulks strength.
Originally posted by carver9
hulk stepped on the planet and almost destroyed the sea board and it was stated that if he stepped again he could have destroyed the entire planet.
You’re exaggerating.
It was stated that if he had taken two more footsteps he would have destroyed the Eastern Seaboard. Of course that Hulk could have destroyed the planet if he wanted to, but it wasn’t stated that the planet would be destroyed if he took one more step.
carver, i replied to you here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=486397
everyone else, any more replies concerning superman vs wwh, even in this thread, post your replies at the link i've given you, and we can get back on topic... maybe the thread starter wants to add some avengers to the list to make this more of a match...
Originally posted by The Pict
Hulk is one of the strongest characters in comics, there's no doubt but I don't think he's a strong as Superman, he could get there sure, but he hasn't yet. And you have to remember there's a big difference between DC and Marvel, Superman regularly tangled with Despero, Darkseid and Doomsday whereas WWH was shown his blood from the New Mutants, She Hulk and Thing.
Whatever Superman is capable of by physical means, even Savage Hulk is capable of surpassing. When I say Physical, I mean without utilizing flight....just raw strength and physical destructive potential.
There is nothing Superman cant do physically that Hulk can't trump on his worst day.
Thus Hulk always>>>>>>>>>>>>Superman in strength potential.
Originally posted by Rorschach
You’re exaggerating.It was stated that if he had taken two more footsteps he would have destroyed the Eastern Seaboard. Of course that Hulk could have destroyed the planet if he wanted to, but it wasn’t stated that the planet would be destroyed if he took one more step.
When we consider that he cracked the Seaboard with a footstep(minimal effort) Its not really that much of an exaggeration actually.
