Blade vs. Captain America

Started by jinzin45 pages

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wolverine was on top of Blade and Wolverine didn't stop to talk, stop exaggerating. Also Wolverine let Blade go.

Then what DID he stop for? There was enough time for them to share a "grrrr" and a "rrnnfg" between them which Wolverine could have easily shot his claws through Blade's brain.

Now you somehow think that Blade easily punched Logan away.. he didn't. Blade was trying to get up or get Logan away and it did him no good whatsoever, as in the next panel he was flat on his back with Wolverine in full mount. So once again your ass is flat out wrong.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Read what I said again I said he must be better in some aspects.
2. Your not getting the point. Punisher cant beat Wolverine in H2H but he loses because of his enhancements. How do slower characters do well against slower characters...skill.

If I read what you said again will it make it any less bullshit? No.. okay then.

1. It's ludicrous. Wolverine's had every bit of training that Frank's had and then some.. AND THEN SOME... how you can possibly think that Punisher is better than Wolverine in ANY aspect involving h2h is clearly beyond me. Especially given that Punisher has used guns to keep distance between them in every encounter.

2. No, Punisher loses because Wolverine a good WEALTH better a fighter than Punisher could ever hope to be and any insinuation as to otherwise is strictly Punisher fanboyism flaunting it's ugly head.

"How do slower characters do well against slower characters"? 🤨

You mean slower against faster?
Yeah skill plays into that, but that has no relivence at all to Wolverine or Punisher.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok then maybe you would like to explain how a bloodlusted Wolverine failed to hit an injured Punisher and failed to kill him because Punisher was so fast he barely got hit with the claws? THEN he fights an Alligator fights Wolverine again and he still manages to hold off Wolverine

The fact of the matter is this Punisher has no enhancements and thats how slower characters do well against faster characters......skill. Nothing wrong with the Einnis issue. Punsiher did relatively well when he was injured therefore a fully fit Punisher is going to do better.

You can keep listing all his other showings as much as you like the fact is 3rd tier fighters have given him problems so im not going to assume that Blade couldn't get out of it. Hell Wolverine didn't kill DD and he had help from hand ninjas and Shingen was cutting his ass up. He got humilated by Molly Hayes and Moon Knight....yeah lets just assume Blade isn't going to get out of it.

The hell are you talking about Wolverine DID hit him and he hit him hard enough and well enough to practically one shot Punisher. Pun fell out of the way fast enough not to get disected and you somehow think that makes him better than Wolverine?
And the next time they fought was WELL after their first encounter. Punisher had to use an ambush and he was fighting a Wolverine who was showing again at least SOME mercy (ripping apart the gun instead of going straight for the kill) Punisher was barely holding Wolverine back even with an ambush.

Except that it was Ennis who wrote it, and had Wolverine walking all over Punisher anyway, which is exactly what would happen between the two. If you're going to use that as evidence you're literally making an argument that Punisher has so much "luck" he'll do well enough to survive every fight... 😐

He's not domino.

I list those showings because he has far more of them. You see a couple lower end showings and you think that's the standard. It's ALWAYS the same with you. Same ol' shit different day.

Wolverine didn't "kill dd" because he was mind controlled under the influence of several conflicting parties, fighting his mind control, and even then when it got to 1on1 Wolverine was kicking matts ass from one side of his basement to the next. So bad example like always.

Shingen was a top tier fighter for one, who was faster than Silver Samurai for two. And how do you think that hardly matters now as Wolverine's skills have clearly bettered since the mid 80's... or did you miss their last fight?
No, you're just ignoring it, so you can feel justified in using another bad example.. like usual.

Molly Hayes has powers that neither Punisher nor Blade have and that's not even close to being a fight to begin with.. 🤨

MK, low showing simple as. But when you got MK running wild on half the X-Men and several other heroes he has no business fighting, one can easily see that. But hey let's ignore the fact that once again he does well in fights against high tiers the majority of the time and make some riciculous argument for slower vs. faster characters as if that somehow applise here..

You are out. of. your. mind. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
You're so full of ****ing contradictions, Wolverine will launch himself into a situation of death because he's not afraid of it, but wants to avoid it in a fight?
Uh-huh you've just shown how little you know about Wolverine yet again.

Die uselessly? The man has jumped out of Hellicarriers like 3 times.. He does. not. care.

Yes all we know is that Wolverine asked Blade why He (Wolverine should let Blade go... meaning that Wolverine thought he "had" Blade. That doesn't sound to me like he thought it was a stalemate. Don't tell me I'm dictating shit when you've been doing that the whole time.

The only people agreeing with me? 🤨
And what about Chilled Monkey? I'll ask again, do you think for even one second I couldn't find 20 some posts of people who don't think that was a stalemate? 😐

he didnt not have blade, the first time wolverine jumped on blade, blade punched him off. second time he used the vampire fluid they were freaking even.

Originally posted by jinzin
Then what DID he stop for? There was enough time for them to share a "grrrr" and a "rrnnfg" between them which Wolverine could have easily shot his claws through Blade's brain.

Can anybody else see this? Hes assuming that Wolverine stopped and hes also assuming because he had time to grr that he was pausing.....I mean its not possible to grr and attack somebody at the sametime?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he didnt not have blade, the first time wolverine jumped on blade, blade punched him off. second time he used the vampire fluid they were freaking even.
Oh he punched him off huh? Is that why Blade couldn't get off the ground?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Can anybody else see this? Hes assuming that Wolverine stopped and hes also assuming because he had time to grr that he was pausing.....I mean its not possible to grr and attack somebody at the sametime.
Wolverine's claws shoot out of his fist at over a 100 miles an hour.. So yes he hesitated to kill Blade as he did 4 times in that fight. Nice red herring though "Oh crap, Blade didn't really punch Wolverine away like I thought he did... Better think of something to distract em"

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine's claws shoot out of his fist at over a 100 miles an hour.. So yes he hesitated to kill Blade as he did 4 times in that fight. Nice red herring though "Oh crap, Blade didn't really punch Wolverine away like I thought he did... Better think of something to distract em"

Lol that doesnt mean that in that specifc instance he was hesistating, he was obvoulsy in mid-attack but you are just assuming the only way that Blade could be fast enough to punch him was beacuse Wolverine hesistated. I mean what kind of an excuse is "he was grring"......have some pride 😬

Im just going to leave it like that for the rest of your post you are just going mental again.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Ok then maybe you would like to explain how a bloodlusted Wolverine failed to hit an injured Punisher and failed to kill him because Punisher was so fast he barely got hit with the claws? THEN he fights an Alligator fights Wolverine again and he still manages to hold off Wolverine

The fact of the matter is this Punisher has no enhancements and thats how slower characters do well against faster characters......skill.

Obvously Wolverines experience and training isn't that good or he would be able to beat a less trained injured human within a split second.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Which really proves nothing except-

a) Blade was too cocky to say he was losing/outmatched.

b) Logan didn't care enough to argue the point (and why would he, seeing as he didn't even want to fight?)

how was blade losing when both still couldve killed each other

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Which really proves nothing except-

a) Blade was too cocky to say he was losing/outmatched.

b) Logan didn't care enough to argue the point (and why would he, seeing as he didn't even want to fight?)

a) To be fair the fact that Wolverine didn't attack him implies he was correct.

b) Well heres the thing....I don't see that point of view as absurd but at the point the fight ended Wolverine was pissed off. Furthermore Wolverine has punched off a guys kneecaps for calling him a name, some guy breaks into his apartment and sticks a sword through his chest and were gonna assume the only reason why Wolverine let him go was because he didn't wanna fight. 😬

was wolveirne holding bac kagain the ceo of damage control?

1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...econtroloh8.jpg
2. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...control1iv5.jpg
3. http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/...control2fo4.jpg
4. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...control3gr6.jpg
5. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...control4yc4.jpg

no, the fact he tried to kill wolverine in the first panels of their fight show that, but wolverine fights with no claws, and waits before killing his opponent.

was wolverine holding bac kagainst caliban?

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/282/g3vr9.jpg
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2778/g4yj1.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9641/g5vk3.jpg
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2495/g6hm7.jpg

once again he fights with no claws before unsheathing them for the final blow (which he waited to do and gave shatterstar enough time to cut in)

no fists against nuke (he was willing to kill nuke but hesitated, he was holding back this fight though but he did intend to kill nuke)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6462/captang4bq3.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9697/captang5sk5.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3616/captang6zk5.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1163/captang7qi5.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2158/captang8nh8.jpg
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4264/captang9db8.jpg

he wasnt going easy o ncap as here again he hesitaes before striking captain america, giving cyclops enough time to warn cap that he is going to shoot

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/365/captang28jv2.jpg
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7628/captang29md1.jpg

wasnt holding back against this guy, but waited to take the final blow
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9200/shingen5cb5.jpg

was wolverine holding bac kagainst azrael? here the same no clawed punches he used against blade
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8441/azraelshogun2yf5.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7082/azraelshogun3pd8.jpg
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http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5895/azraelshogun9be9.jpg

wolverine punching blade with no claws and waiting to take the final strike are in character, they no way suggest wolverine was holding back

blade wasnt vamped out, and hadnt had blood in months - neither were at their most powerful level and they stalemated each other

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how was blade losing when both still couldve killed each other

They couldn't have. Wolverine could have killed Blade. Blade couldn't have killed Wolverine. That's why Blade lost.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
was wolveirne holding bac kagain the ceo of damage control?

1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...econtroloh8.jpg
2. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...control1iv5.jpg
3. http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/...control2fo4.jpg
4. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...control3gr6.jpg
5. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...control4yc4.jpg

no, the fact he tried to kill wolverine in the first panels of their fight show that, but wolverine fights with no claws, and waits before killing his opponent.

was wolverine holding bac kagainst caliban?

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/282/g3vr9.jpg
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2778/g4yj1.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9641/g5vk3.jpg
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2495/g6hm7.jpg

once again he fights with no claws before unsheathing them for the final blow (which he waited to do and gave shatterstar enough time to cut in)

no fists against nuke (he was willing to kill nuke but hesitated, he was holding back this fight though but he did intend to kill nuke)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6462/captang4bq3.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9697/captang5sk5.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3616/captang6zk5.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1163/captang7qi5.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2158/captang8nh8.jpg
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4264/captang9db8.jpg

he wasnt going easy o ncap as here again he hesitaes before striking captain america, giving cyclops enough time to warn cap that he is going to shoot

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/365/captang28jv2.jpg
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7628/captang29md1.jpg

wasnt holding back against this guy, but waited to take the final blow
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9200/shingen5cb5.jpg

was wolverine holding bac kagainst azrael? here the same no clawed punches he used against blade
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8441/azraelshogun2yf5.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7082/azraelshogun3pd8.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5001/azraelshogun4do7.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6936/azraelshogun6rw4.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5485/azraelshogun7vy3.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1172/azraelshogun8qf9.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5895/azraelshogun9be9.jpg

wolverine punching blade with no claws and waiting to take the final strike are in character, they no way suggest wolverine was holding back

blade wasnt vamped out, and hadnt had blood in months - neither were at their most powerful level and they stalemated each other

... Christ.

Wolverine was holding back on Duncan until very end. He was responcible for the deaths of 300 people (mostly children) and Wolverine want to beat him up before he killed him... and he did.

Wolverine was holding back against Caliban... unless you think he was planning on killing a friend of the X-Men?

Wolverine was holding back against Nuke. He was trying to redeem him self for his responsibility in Nuke's creation, he was trying to save him. Once he realised that Nuke couldn't be saved he decided to be merciful and end his suffering... I'm pretty sure this was all in the captions of the fight.

Since Wolverine never had any intention of killing Captain America... he was holding back.

Wolverine held off on the final blow with Shingen so he could insult a man he hates.... than promptly killed him.

Wolverine punched Azrael first then he took out his claws and used them... until he decided to cut himself a deal. Not the same as his fight with Blade where he had his claws out, then conciously made the decision put them away.

Blade doesn't "vamp out".

Blade should have stuck him with the vial instead of the sword. Wolverine had full guard and couldn't do anything with it. That shows a lack of skill imo.

See I can do that to.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade should have stuck him with the vial instead of the sword. Wolverine had full guard and couldn't do anything with it. That shows a lack of skill imo.

See I can do that to.

Are you talking about when Wolverine let Blade stab him with his sword? 😄

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Are you talking about when Wolverine [b]let Blade stab him with his sword? 😄 [/B]
Yea, that was right before Blade let Logan get full guard.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yea, that was right before Blade [b]let Logan get full guard. [/B]

Once again. If Blade's strategy was to let Wolverine put him in that position... then he is an idoit. Either Wolverine easily beat Blade by simply out fighting him or Blade is a moron and can't fight his way out of a paper bag... and Wolverine still easily beat him. Pick the option you like the best. 😎

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Once again. If Blade's strategy was to let Wolverine put him in that position... then he is an idoit. Either Wolverine easily beat Blade by simply out fighting him or Blade is a moron and can't fight his way out of a paper bag... and Wolverine still easily beat him. Pick the option you like the best. 😎
Actually if you think Logan was holding back...he's an indiot for getting into that position himself. He's supposed to be highly skilled and all and got in a rather compromising situation.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Can anybody else see this? Hes assuming that Wolverine stopped and hes also assuming because he had time to grr that he was pausing.....I mean its not possible to grr and attack somebody at the sametime?
I can see it. Logan was growling and cussing up a storm during the fight. Sounds like he was getting pretty aggrivated to me.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

b) Well heres the thing....I don't see that point of view as absurd but at the point the fight ended Wolverine was pissed off. Furthermore Wolverine has punched off a guys kneecaps for calling him a name, some guy breaks into his apartment and sticks a sword through his chest and were gonna assume the only reason why Wolverine let him go was because he didn't wanna fight. 😬

Yea, a guy breaks into his apartment, stabs him in the chest, empties a clip into his chest, threatens to turn him into a vampire and then kill him and Wolverine is just gonna let him go with the possibility that Blade could return with Shield backup.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Actually if you think Logan was holding back...he's an indiot for getting into that position himself. He's supposed to be highly skilled and all and got in a rather compromising situation.

Only, it wasn't a compromising position. Wolverine was in full control of the situation, so much so that he stopped fighting and allowed Blade time to talk. If he felt Blade was a threat he would have stabbed him the moment he pinned him instead of chatting it up, but the fact is Wolverine wasn't concerned in the slightest... he wasn't even worried about Blade turning him into a vampire. Wolverine never had any intention of killing Blade, he pinned him and waited for the situation to resolve its self... and it did.

And once again: Even if Blade had decided to go through with his plan and Vamp. Wolverine... Wolverine would still be holding all the advantages he had before (he was on top of an unarmed opponent), only he would now be a vampire... and would be stronger and faster than before... and would have a bloodlust.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Only, it wasn't a compromising position. Wolverine was in full control of the situation, so much so that he stopped fighting and allowed Blade time to talk. If he felt Blade was a threat he would have stabbed him the moment he pinned him instead of chatting it up, but the fact is Wolverine wasn't concerned in the slightest... he wasn't even worried about Blade turning him into a vampire. Wolverine never had any intention of killing Blade, he pinned him and waited for the situation to resolve its self... and it did.

And once again: Even if Blade had decided to go through with his plan and Vamp. Wolverine... Wolverine would still be holding all the advantages he had before (he was on top of an unarmed opponent), only he would now be a vampire... and would be stronger and faster than before... and would have a bloodlust.

Blade obviously didn't feel threatened by the thought of turning Logan into a vampire. Even in that position. A few issues earlier he took down a vampire Spider-Man.

Spider-Man>Wolverine.