Blade vs. Captain America

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade obviously didn't feel threatened by the thought of turning Logan into a vampire. Even in that position. A few issues earlier he took down a vampire Spider-Man.

Spider-Man>Wolverine.

But we've already established that Blade is as much of a keen strategic mind as George Bush. According to you, he let Wolverine put him in a position where he had no weapons and no leverage... is it any surprise that the next step in this cunning tacticians plan was to make his opponent even stronger, faster and more likely to kill him?

Blood lust Spider-man aways does worse then level head Spider-man.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
But we've already established that Blade is as much of a keen strategic mind as George Bush. According to you, he let Wolverine put him in a position where he had no weapons and no leverage... is it any surprise that the next step in this cunning tacticians plan was to make his opponent even stronger, faster and more likely to kill him?

Blood lust Spider-man aways does worse then level head Spider-man.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I never actually said Blade let Logan get him in that situation. I was just trying to use that as a example. It's like you saying Logan let Blade stab him with the sword. You can't prove it and neither can I. You just assume things to make it look like Wolverine decimated Blade.

He just stood there and got stabbed through the chest... either Blade is significantly faster than Wolverine (and immediately lose that speed advantage becoming much slower only seconds latter) or Wolverine let Blade stab him. The former seems unlikely. I don't think Blade's speed would fluctuate that much in a single issue, in the span of a few panels. And considering the flash back involved a story where Wolverine was twice reference as having superhuman vampire speed, I don't think Guggenheim thinks Blade is fast enough to blitz Logan.

Since you are having trouble with understanding the situation, I will make it a bit more obvious.

Blade: "Shit, you have me pinned!"

Wolverine: "Yup."

Blade: "You have every advatage... I know! I will use this magic serum to turn you into Superman, then I will just kill you with kryptonite or something!"

Wolverine: "But you don't have any krptonite on you... and I alrady hold all the advantages, why would you want to give me more by turning me into Superman?"

Blade: "That's true... but I'll worry about that when I get there..."

Wolverine: ...

Blade: "Actually, we're cool bro, want let me go?"

Wolverine: "Sure?"

Stalemate?

Blade is faster than Wolverine. That's how he was able to get the vial to Logan's neck before Logan could finish his strike.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade is faster than Wolverine. That's how he was able to get the vial to Logan's neck before Logan could finish his strike.

He got the vial to Wolverine's next because Wolverine never intended to strike (aka Wolverine let Blade do it). Wolverine didn't care what Blade was doing - he held all the advantages and was content to let Blade play his hand and see where the cards fell.

Wolverine had some idea of who Blade was (he thought his name was Edge, but big deal), and Wolverine isn't the kind of guy to kill a hero who has been black mailed into service with SHIELD.

The thing is it would be much easier for him to hurt Wolvie as a Vamp than it would be to hurt him as Wolvie and i'm sure Wolvie wouldn't want to have to drink blood or stay away from sunlight. So it was a perfectly valid threat if you ask me.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He got the vial to Wolverine's next because Wolverine never intended to strike (aka Wolverine let Blade do it). Wolverine didn't care what Blade was doing - he held all the advantages and was content to let Blade play his hand and see where the cards fell.

Wolverine had some idea of who Blade was (he thought his name was Edge, but big deal), and Wolverine isn't the kind of guy to kill a hero who has been black mailed into service with SHIELD.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
The thing is it would be much easier for him to hurt Wolvie as a Vamp than it would be to hurt him as Wolvie and i'm sure Wolvie wouldn't want to have to drink blood or stay away from sunlight. So it was a perfectly valid threat if you ask me.

Only the fight took place in the evening and Blade had no stakes on him. If he had turned Wolverine into a vampire, Blade would be dead and Wolverine would be Lord of the Vampires just like in that What If issue! 😈

And normal marvel vampires have been able to become immune to sunlight, holy water and even staking by exposing themselves to it in small doses over time. If a normal human vamp can overcome those weakness imagine what Wolverine can do! Unless Wolverine loses his healing factor when he becomes a vamp, it is possible the normal vampire weakness wouldn't even affect him!

Originally posted by snoopdogg
No, Logan had his claws popped and his arm cocked and then he called him a "dead man". That was Blade's cue to end this battle.

So your argument is that Wolverine fully intended on killing Blade? 😕

Do you know who Wolverine is? He is a superhero, not a murder. He doesn't go around indiscriminately killing good guys.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He got the vial to Wolverine's next because Wolverine never intended to strike (aka Wolverine let Blade do it). Wolverine didn't care what Blade was doing - he held all the advantages and was content to let Blade play his hand and see where the cards fell.

Wolverine had some idea of who Blade was (he thought his name was Edge, but big deal), and Wolverine isn't the kind of guy to kill a hero who has been black mailed into service with SHIELD.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So your argument is that Wolverine fully intended on killing Blade? 😕

Do you know who Wolverine is? He is a superhero, not a murder. He doesn't go around indiscriminately killing good guys.

And you think Blade is a guy who goes around killing non-vampires? Or heroes even?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Only the fight took place in the evening and Blade had no stakes on him. If he had turned Wolverine into a vampire, Blade would be dead and Wolverine would be Lord of the Vampires just like in that What If issue! 😈

And normal marvel vampires have been able to become immune to sunlight, holy water and even staking by exposing themselves to it in small doses over time. If a normal human vamp can overcome those weakness imagine what Wolverine can do! Unless Wolverine loses his healing factor when he becomes a vamp, it is possible the normal vampire weakness wouldn't even affect him!

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Oh, and even if that was true. It's a testament to a lack of skill for Wolverine. If he was as skilled as he's suppose to be in any event he would have never been in that situation. But yet he was. That's why it's not logical to assume Logan was toying with him.

If he was as skilled as he supposed to be... he never would let himself get into a situation where he holds all the advantages against an unarmed, pinned opponent who is inferior in every way?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If he was as skilled as he supposed to be... he never would let himself get into a situation where he holds all the advantages against an unarmed, pinned opponent who is inferior in every way?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade always has stakes on him. He has a stake in his boot that he can pop out.

He had a stake in his boot when he was fighting Dracula... he also had stakes strapped to ever part of his body in that fight as well. I don't see why he would conceal a single stake in his shoe and bare his sword and guns for all to see. Boot stake wouldn't have helped in that situation anyway.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He had no advantage besides a dumbfounded look on his face. Logan knew he was f*cked.

You mean the very nonchalant grin? Wolverine had already won he didn't care what happened next. Either Blade would come to his senses and leave, or Wolverine would knock him out then tose him the window. 🙂

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He had a stake in his boot when he was fighting Dracula... he also had stakes strapped to ever part of his body in that fight as well. I don't see why he would conceal a single stake in his shoe and bare his sword and guns for all to see. Boot stake wouldn't have helped in that situation anyway.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade always has a weapon.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladebootknife.jpg

Even if he has a knife/stake in his boot, it might as well be in South Korea, for all the good it will do him.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Even if he has a knife/stake in his boot, it might as well be in South Korea, for all the good it will do him.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He managed to pull the vial out and put it Logan's neck before he even knew it.

That's making the assumption that he took out the vial after Wolverine pinned him. We don't know when he took it out, all we know is that he had it when he said "I may be half-vampire, but I ain't dead."

... and besides, I doubt he was carrying it in his shoe.