Blade vs. Captain America

Started by srankmissingnin45 pages

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
very different, he instantly became a human with apparent super strength and durability, and you noticed how wolverine was warning him to b careful, if he didnt want to use his claws he wouldnt have drawn them. he planeed on using them. and in plenty of other pictures he again

uses attacks with claws (attack against caliban comes to mind)

and waits to deliver the final blow

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It's called intimidation, friend.

... and Wolverine also used his fists against Caliban.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
🙄

It's called intimidation, friend.

... and Wolverine also used his fists against Caliban.

they were exchanging quips, both were prety muc heven the whole fight

wolverine claw swiped blade

blade stabbed wolverine

wolverine claw swiped and punched blade

blade shoots up wolverine

they wrestle

blade knocks wolverine off him

wolverine jumps back on draws his claws

blade whips out the vampire fluid

fight ends - both were in position for the final blow.....the writer even had them hit each other the same amount of times.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
they were exchanging quips, both were prety muc heven the whole fight

wolverine claw swiped blade

blade stabbed wolverine

wolverine claw swiped and punched blade

blade shoots up wolverine

they wrestle

blade knocks wolverine off him

wolverine jumps back on draws his claws

blade whips out the vampire fluid

fight ends - both were in position for the final blow.....the writer even had them hit each other the same amount of times.

Wolverine lets Blade stab him.

Wolverine asks if Blade has a healing factor - claws his cheeks to find out.

Blade's doesn't heal fast enough to deal with shallow claw marks, so Wolverine retracts his claws and punches Blade.

Wolverine now has Blade's sword.

Blade shoots Wolverine... which pisses him off because he'll have to dig the bullets out latter.

Wolverine disarms Blade again and they grapple.

Blade trys to punch Wolverine but misses, Wolverine rolls around the punch. Gets under Blade's guard and pins him.

Wolverine doesn't want to kill Blade so he chats with him instead. The situation resolves its self as it tends to do.

Wolverine lets Blade go home.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine lets Blade stab him.

Wolverine asks if Blade has a healing factor - claws his cheeks to find out.

Blade's doesn't heal fast enough to deal with shallow claw marks, so Wolverine retracts his claws and punches Blade.

Wolverine know has Blade's sword.

Blade shoots Wolverine... which pisses him off because he'll have to dig the bullets out latter.

Wolverine disarms Blade again and they grapple.

Blade trys to punch Wolverine but misses, Wolverine rolls around the punch. Gets under Blade's guard and pins him.

Wolverine doesn't want to kill Blade so he chats with him instead. The situation resolves its self as it tends to do.

Wolverine lets Blade go home.

....sure ok wolveirne let blade stab him....nothing suggests that at all, what would be the point of putting up the guard at all if youre going to let your opponent stab you especially since thats not in wolverine character at all

.....nothing in that scene suggests he misses, i nfact wolverine mouth is in a frown and his head is sent back to show hes hit.....nothing in the fight suggests what youre saying....at all

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....sure ok wolveirne let blade stab him....nothing suggests that at all, what would be the point of putting up the guard at all if youre going to let your opponent stab you especially since thats not in wolverine character at all

.....nothing in that scene suggests he misses, i nfact wolverine mouth is in a frown and his head is sent back to show hes hit.....nothing in the fight suggests what youre saying....at all

He didn't put up a guard. He flashed his claws... Remember how we were talking about intimidation? That's intimidation again. And Wolverine letting people stab him is incharacter, same with taking bullets, he does it all the time. His healing factor allows him to go 100% offence and say to hell with defense, he can take a hit to land his own because the moment someone attacks him their defence is non-existant. Normally this doesn't matter because the person's opponent would concentrate on avoiding the blow rather then purposely taking it head on to land their own attack because it is very risky... but Wolverine has a healing factor.

All the other hits in the Wolverine vs. Blade fight had sound effects, that "punch" being the sol exception. Connect with Wolverine's metal skull is sure to be noisy. 😎

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He didn't put up a guard. He flashed his claws... Remember how we were talking about intimidation? That's intimidation again. And Wolverine letting people stab him is incharacter, same with taking bullets, he does it all the time. His healing factor allows him to go 100% offence and say to hell with defense, he can take a hit to land his own because the moment someone attacks him their defence is non-existant. Normally this doesn't matter because the person's opponent would concentrate on avoiding the blow rather then purposely taking it head on to land their own attack because it is very risky... but Wolverine has a healing factor.

All the other hits in the Wolverine vs. Blade fight had sound effects, that "punch" being the sol exception. Connect with Wolverine's metal skull is sure to be noisy. 😎

....wow youre completely intepretating this fight with no proof

and again you just claimed he has poor offence, so it'd be easy for balde to stab him.

heres and equivalanet of what youre doing:
blade enters the fight reluctantly especially since he hasnt had blood in motnhs and isnt feeling his best. Blade isnt even worried about wolverine in the slightest, and makes jokes about the way he dresses. wolverine unsheathes his claws and blade speed blitzes him before wolverine can move. wolverine makes a slice for blade but blade rolls away and it only clips him. WOlverine tries to punch blade but blade rols with the hit and jumps bac kand shoots wolverine who is hurt and attacks in a blind fury precisely as blade wanted him to do. Blade hits him one more time to get him angry enough t ocome closer, and before wolverine can strike blade he pulls out his vampie fluid to turn wolverine at which point he couldve easily beaten blade i na nmber of ways, one of them being the silver bullets inside wolverine already weakening him.

it uses just as much evidence as yours does and yet yours is right and this is wrong? please.

when this is done you scream fanboy - so what should I call you?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
....wow youre completely intepretating this fight with no proof

How so? Every thing I said is right on the money. Wolverine is standing perfectly still and gets stabbed... you feel inclinded to argue against more then 35 years of Wolverine comic appearances.

Seriously, Wolverine is just standing there. Perfectly still. He isn't surprised. He isn't angry. In responce to getting stabbed he says "Ouchie" and cailmly walks down the sword. What part of that scenario gives you the impression that Blade got through Wolverine's guard? What part of that scenario gives you the impression that Blade is faster than Wolverine? Either Wolverine let Blade stab him - like he often does and is totally inline with how Wolverine is written - or Blade speed blitzed Wolverine... only to lose his significant speed advatange only seconds later. Considering Blade doesn't have a single high speed feat that puts him on the same level as Wolverine, and Blade somehow becoming much slower only seconds later, seems like a hard pill to swallow... then again you seem like you are willing to swallow a lot where Blade is concerned.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
heres and equivalanet of what youre doing:
blade enters the fight reluctantly especially since he hasnt had blood in motnhs and isnt feeling his best. Blade isnt even worried about wolverine in the slightest, and makes jokes about the way he dresses. wolverine unsheathes his claws and blade speed blitzes him before wolverine can move. wolverine makes a slice for blade but blade rolls away and it only clips him. WOlverine tries to punch blade but blade rols with the hit and jumps bac kand shoots wolverine who is hurt and attacks in a blind fury precisely as blade wanted him to do. Blade hits him one more time to get him angry enough t ocome closer, and before wolverine can strike blade he pulls out his vampie fluid to turn wolverine at which point he couldve easily beaten blade i na nmber of ways, one of them being the silver bullets inside wolverine already weakening him.

You want to tell me where you came up with Blade not having blood in months? If I remember correctly he had a whole fridge full of blood when the feds came and tried to bust him only an issue or two earlier? Does it say anywhere in the story that he hasn't had blood in months? Or where it says Blade "isn't feeling his best?"

lol

... and that is exactly what you have been saying the entire debate. Only difference between my "interpretation" and yours is mine is based on an in-depth knowledge of Wolverine's history; yours is based on nothing. For your walk through of the fight to be even remotely accurate - we need to ignore and disregard large amount of Wolverine's history and feats and make assumptions about Blade that have never been proven true on panel.

I said Wolverine let Blade stab him. This comment is based on several facts. One: Wolverine lets people stab him all the time - so we have a precedent. Two: Wolverine made no effort to avoid the blow and isn't the slightest bit surprised or concerned.

You said Blade is too fast and too skilled and he stabbed Wolverine with out Wolverine being able to react. This comment is based on nothing. Nothing on panel suggest this is what happened. Nothing in the intire career's of either character suggest that this even cable of happening. Blade doesn't have speed feats that put him on the same level of speed as Wolverine. FACT. Blade doesn't have skill feats that put him on the same level of skill as Wolverine. FACT. Dispite all this, you are more than comfortable with taking a massive leap of faith and assume that for some reason Guggenhiem (a writer with a considerable amount of knowledge of both Blade and Wolverine) decided to contradict every that came before?

I said Blade might not have even hit Wolverine after they grappled. Which is true. Blade threw a punch. Did it connect? Who knows, usually we get a sound effect that lets us know if the attack landed or if the opponent managed to avoid it. There is no sound effect so it is hard to gauge. What we do know is that Blade threw a punch... and immediately after Wolverine had him by the neck, pinned to the ground. If Blade's punch did infact hit Wolverine then he would have had to roll with it get under Blade's guard so quickly. My comment was based off of what was on panel, you comment was - once again - based on nothing.

You said... I'm not sure... something stupid about Blade rolling with everything.

You want Blade to win. I know it. We all know it. You speed pages of this thread with ambigous "durability" feats, trying to prove he was more durable than Captain America, and decided that a moment of silence ment Captain America was unconcious. Seriously, we all get that you like Blade, but you are being ridiculous.

Last three pages have been "Blade vs. Wolverine." Way to derail the thread. Poor ole Cap feels left out. 🙁

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
How so? Every thing I said is right on the money. Wolverine is standing perfectly still and gets stabbed... you feel inclinded to argue against more then 35 years of Wolverine comic appearances.

Seriously, Wolverine is just standing there. Perfectly still. He isn't surprised. He isn't angry. In responce to getting stabbed he says "Ouchie" and cailmly walks down the sword. What part of that scenario gives you the impression that Blade got through Wolverine's guard? What part of that scenario gives you the impression that Blade is faster than Wolverine? Either Wolverine let Blade stab him - like he often does and is totally inline with how Wolverine is written - or Blade speed blitzed Wolverine... only to lose his significant speed advatange only seconds later. Considering Blade doesn't have a single high speed feat that puts him on the same level as Wolverine, and Blade somehow becoming much slower only seconds later, seems like a hard pill to swallow... then again you seem like you are willing to swallow a lot where Blade is concerned.

You want to tell me where you came up with Blade not having blood in months? If I remember correctly he had a whole fridge full of blood when the feds came and tried to bust him only an issue or two earlier? Does it say anywhere in the story that he hasn't had blood in months? Or where it says Blade "isn't feeling his best?"

lol

... and that is exactly what you have been saying the entire debate. Only difference between my "interpretation" and yours is mine is based on an in-depth knowledge of Wolverine's history; yours is based on nothing. For your walk through of the fight to be even remotely accurate - we need to ignore and disregard large amount of Wolverine's history and feats and make assumptions about Blade that have never been proven true on panel.

I said Wolverine let Blade stab him. This comment is based on several facts. One: Wolverine lets people stab him all the time - so we have a precedent. Two: Wolverine made no effort to avoid the blow and isn't the slightest bit surprised or concerned.

You said Blade is too fast and too skilled and he stabbed Wolverine with out Wolverine being able to react. This comment is based on nothing. Nothing on panel suggest this is what happened. Nothing in the intire career's of either character suggest that this even cable of happening. Blade doesn't have speed feats that put him on the same level of speed as Wolverine. FACT. Blade doesn't have skill feats that put him on the same level of skill as Wolverine. FACT. Dispite all this, you are more than comfortable with taking a massive leap of faith and assume that for some reason Guggenhiem (a writer with a considerable amount of knowledge of both Blade and Wolverine) decided to contradict every that came before?

I said Blade might not have even hit Wolverine after they grappled. Which is true. Blade threw a punch. Did it connect? Who knows, usually we get a sound effect that lets us know if the attack landed or if the opponent managed to avoid it. There is no sound effect so it is hard to gauge. What we do know is that Blade threw a punch... and immediately after Wolverine had him by the neck, pinned to the ground. If Blade's punch did infact hit Wolverine then he would have had to roll with it get under Blade's guard so quickly. My comment was based off of what was on panel, you comment was - once again - based on nothing.

You said... I'm not sure... something stupid about Blade rolling with everything.

You want Blade to win. I know it. We all know it. You speed pages of this thread with ambigous "durability" feats, trying to prove he was more durable than Captain America, and decided that a moment of silence ment Captain America was unconcious. Seriously, we all get that you like Blade, but you are being ridiculous.

the issues don happen immediately after another, he couldnt return home after the feds busted him so he made a short life in another town - he'd ben there long enough to have established himself and many people knew him by name before relocating again to go after morbius. between issues 2 (last time he had his blood supply) and issue 5 was a couple of months.

and no I've been posting feats, barely anyone has offered any arguement except blade sucks and the like.

people say captain aemrica is fast, when they have euqla speed feats. people say he's stronger when they have equal strength feats. hes more durable, and give nthe scenarios I presented its entirely possible fo rblade to take a majority but it is by no means a stomp i neither way.

in no way did I ever say blade was better than either blade or wolverine, the fact he had a stalemate with wolverine....and you can possibly interpret it as a win when so far you a majority of the posters i nthis thread have found the fight to be a stalemate.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
the issues don happen immediately after another, he couldnt return home after the feds busted him so he made a short life in another town - he'd ben there long enough to have established himself and many people knew him by name before relocating again to go after morbius. between issues 2 (last time he had his blood supply) and issue 5 was a couple of months.

But what are you basing on idea that he didn't have any blood in months on? Just because the Fed's took his store of blood doesn't mean he didn't get more. I don't remember any reference on panel to Blade being weaken from not drinking blood.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and no I've been posting feats, barely anyone has offered any arguement except blade sucks and the like.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since I haven't been an active poster in half of this thread, but all the scans you've post have be ambiguous at best. Blade > Cap because he wasn't hurt after a similar sized explosion? Well, no one was hurt in that explosion. Blade > Cap because he crashed in a Helicarrier and Cap crashed in a plane and a plane is smaller? Well, the sheer size of the Helicarrior means that a large amount of the impact of the crash landing would be absorbed, minimizing the damage Blade would sustain (and Helicarriers crash rather frequently - standard SHIELD operatives seem to survive... SHIELD grunt > Cap?)? Blade > Cap because he blew up a nuclear facility? Well maybe but it is a pretty ambiguous feat. Did Blade blow up the reactor or just bring the facility down on top of it? How active was the plants nuclear facility, considering it was supposed to be shut down? Where was Blade in relationship to the blast? Would Blade really risk nuclear contaminate across a Korean country size? Shouldn't that blast have been much bigger if their was plutonium inside?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
people say captain aemrica is fast, when they have euqla speed feats. people say he's stronger when they have equal strength feats. hes more durable, and give nthe scenarios I presented its entirely possible fo rblade to take a majority but it is by no means a stomp i neither way.

But they don't have equal speed or strength feats. Captain America has flat out speed blitz people in situations that aren't open to interpretation. He has moved faster than bullets, not fast than the shooter but moved after the trigger has been pulled and still evaded the shot. He has moved so fast that he practically disappeared form sight. Blade doesn't have speed feats on the same level as Captain America. Should he? That's your opinion, but right now he doesn't.

The same is true for strength but to a much bigger degree. Everyone seems content to give Blade a class 2 strength level, but the reality of the situation is that it is a mercy placement; Blade has never displayed that level of strength todate. Ask your self: What has Blade ever done with strength? Practically nothing, most of his strength feats involve tossing humans and vampires around... things that every street has done. He doesn't have the same colossal feats of the strength that Captain America has. I'm willing to give Blade the benefit of the doubt in this area and say Blade is as strong as Captain America, but at the end of the day Captain America has proven he is around Class 2 in strength, Blade hasn't.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
in no way did I ever say blade was better than either blade or wolverine, the fact he had a stalemate with wolverine....and you can possibly interpret it as a win when so far you a majority of the posters i nthis thread have found the fight to be a stalemate.

You and snoop, doesn't equate to the majority... it equals two.

You are willing to give Blade the benifit of the doubt and take a leap of faith with his abilities, but based on what Blade has done on panel you are wrong. Has Blade been handled poorly and not writen up to his potential? Certainly, but a character's potential doesn't come into play here, only what they have done thus far in their careers.

^ I felt the Blade vs Wolverine fight was a stalemate.

EDIT: Now I'm derailing a Cap thread too! 🙁

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I felt the Blade vs Wolverine fight was a stalemate.

3

😄

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Since you are having trouble with understanding the situation, I will make it a bit more obvious.

Blade: "Shit, you have me pinned!"

Wolverine: "Yup."

Blade: "You have every advatage... I know! I will use this magic serum to turn you into Superman, then I will just kill you with kryptonite or something!"

Wolverine: "But you don't have any krptonite on you... and I alrady hold all the advantages, why would you want to give me more by turning me into Superman?"

Blade: "That's true... but I'll worry about that when I get there..."

Wolverine: ...

Blade: "Actually, we're cool bro, want let me go?"

Wolverine: "Sure?"

Stalemate?

Stalemate?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Lol that doesnt mean that in that specifc instance he was hesistating, he was obvoulsy in mid-attack but you are just assuming the only way that Blade could be fast enough to punch him was beacuse Wolverine hesistated. I mean what kind of an excuse is "he was grring"......have some pride 😬

Im just going to leave it like that for the rest of your post you are just going mental again.

Obvously Wolverines experience and training isn't that good or he would be able to beat a less trained injured human within a split second.

Yes obviously hesitating, and it's so obvious when he's taking more time to growl than for his claws to come out, and it's not as if there's evidence of him holding back in the fight. 🙄

Mental? You think Punisher is better in h2h than Wolverine... That's straight up retarded... 😐

Punisher wasn't injured. Wolverine was. Wolverine was holding back.
Unless you're talking about the Ennis fight? In which case.. ENNIS.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
was wolveirne holding bac kagain the ceo of damage control?

1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...econtroloh8.jpg
2. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...control1iv5.jpg
3. http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/...control2fo4.jpg
4. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...control3gr6.jpg
5. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...control4yc4.jpg


Yes.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
was wolverine holding bac kagainst caliban?

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/282/g3vr9.jpg
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2778/g4yj1.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9641/g5vk3.jpg
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2495/g6hm7.jpg

once again he fights with no claws before unsheathing them for the final blow (which he waited to do and gave shatterstar enough time to cut in)


Yes.. read the damned comic, he had no intention of killng Caliban you idiot.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678

no fists against nuke (he was willing to kill nuke but hesitated, he was holding back this fight though but he did intend to kill nuke)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6462/captang4bq3.jpg
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http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2158/captang8nh8.jpg
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he wasnt going easy o ncap as here again he hesitaes before striking captain america, giving cyclops enough time to warn cap that he is going to shoot

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/365/captang28jv2.jpg
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wasnt holding back against this guy, but waited to take the final blow
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9200/shingen5cb5.jpg


I'll say it again, read the ****ing comic, he was holding back on Nuke and infact tried to talk him out of fighting when it started.
Shingen nor Cap pertain to your whack ass argument.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
was wolverine holding bac kagainst azrael? here the same no clawed punches he used against blade
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8441/azraelshogun2yf5.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7082/azraelshogun3pd8.jpg
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wolverine punching blade with no claws and waiting to take the final strike are in character, they no way suggest wolverine was holding back

blade wasnt vamped out, and hadnt had blood in months - neither were at their most powerful level and they stalemated each other

YES HE WAS... we've already gone over this. If Venom puts his symbiote away for a fight he's holding back, If Thor drops Mjolnir, he's holding back, If Punisher tosses his guns aside when he doesn't have to, he's holding back. Wolverine put the most effective weapon away for a fight, he's nessecarily holding back.

Blade "vamping out" would mean little to nothing as Wolverine was coasting in neutral that whole fight.

Originally posted by jinzin
Yes.

Yes.. read the damned comic, he had no intention of killng Caliban you idiot.

I'll say it again, read the ****ing comic, he was holding back on Nuke and infact tried to talk him out of fighting when it started.
Shingen nor Cap pertain to your whack ass argument.

YES HE WAS... we've already gone over this. If Venom puts his symbiote away for a fight he's holding back, If Thor drops Mjolnir, he's holding back, If Punisher tosses his guns aside when he doesn't have to, he's holding back. Wolverine put the most effective weapon away for a fight, he's nessecarily holding back.

Blade "vamping out" would mean little to nothing as Wolverine was coasting in neutral that whole fight.

I can't get through to him, jinzin. I tried, I really did, but he is beyond reasoning. 🙁

Originally posted by jinzin
Yes obviously hesitating, and it's so obvious when he's taking more time to growl than for his claws to come out, and it's not as if there's evidence of him holding back in the fight. 🙄

Mental? You think Punisher is better in h2h than Wolverine... That's straight up retarded... 😐

Punisher wasn't injured. Wolverine was. Wolverine was holding back.
Unless you're talking about the Ennis fight? In which case.. ENNIS.

Thought you liked Ennis. You've made frequent liberal use of Wolverine flip kicking Spidey in the nuts many times in the past.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thought you liked Ennis. You've made frequent liberal use of Wolverine flip kicking Spidey in the nuts many times in the past.

Ennis hates superheros. Superhero vs superhero by Ennis is fair game because they are hated in equal measures. However, anyone vs. Punisher writen by Ennis... is... well... I doubt I need to go into more depth here.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Ennis hates superheros. Superhero vs superhero by Ennis is fair game because they are hated in equal measures. However, anyone vs. Punisher writen by Ennis... is... well... I doubt I need to go into more depth here.
So according to you then, I guess it's quite believable that Daredevil does really pwn Wolverine with a single throat jab then...

... fair game. I see. K.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So according to you then, I guess it's quite believable that Daredevil does really pwn Wolverine with a single throat jab then...

... fair game. I see. K.

Nope. Ennis wrote Wolverine being punched by the Hulk across state-lines with out being ko'ed and having 50% of his body incinerated with out losing consciousness. The Daredevil thing is PIS even where Ennis' Wolverine is concerned.