Blade vs. Captain America

Originally posted by Juk3n
thanks for clearing that up for me pal, it helps my point even more.

Blade is (on par with) The strongest vampire - AND a master martial artist and a veteran AND completley and utterly proficient with a sword.

NO he doesnt have the feats, and i cant give him the win for that reason.

Lack of Feats - due to having far less books shouldnt be cause for a loss especially when u are pushing feats like The strongest vampire and master martial artist.

im done, ty guys for your patience of my lack of know all. 👆

Sorry I took so long I was in the Wolverine H2H Gauntlet.... 😈

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
could you post those feats then,

Originally posted by King KAM
Lets get some [b]Durability feats in here.

Cap gets his head used as a battering ram, by a Super suit wearing Red Skull, the entire building falls on him, without his sheild.

And after all that beating....All Cap has is a few scrapes and bruises, and his arm needs to be wrapped, up but he can still use it...he doesnt even go to the hospital.
[/B]

This is him taking shots from Powerman. Hes been classified as class 20. I think Cap rolled iwth the first punch but I dont know about the others. My bad he wasn't intoxicated.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2526/avengers02180019xg1.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9357/avengers02180020jc1.jpg

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678

its not the best healing factor but its definently useful,

I saw one issue were Blade got cut in the face and the wound ws still there hours later. Thats terrible. Hell I just think it allows him to take lethal damage and not get killed I dont know about being Koed. Not being bad but if Blades Hf is that terrible even Cap has one.

This is the result of the beating from Iron Man.

http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c16wf1.jpg

I think this is a day afterwards.

http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c17ly4.jpg

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678

and we cant use villains as a point as blade and captain america fight different villains, and how does captain america being intoxicated effect his durability?

That depends but I was just using those examples to prove how durable he is. 😬

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678

and scenarios:
1: blade 6/10
2. captain america 6/10

Not unreasonable but I think he could win the second one 7/10

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
exaclty, he should win but feats indicate other wise, the feats he does have put him on par with cap in terms of speed though, so if anything if cap wins its by a small margin

Nah sorry mate Temugin but Temugin has less feats but hes still considered to better than Cap at MA. Blade still has alot of feats. Hes been around for quite awhile.

Blades superhuman.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Blades superhuman.

Technically speaking so is Cap.

Before anyone says "Cap's a peak human," remember that Steve was given a SUPER-soldier serum. The serum optimised his body in every way that a human body can be. This is not something you can do just by working out a lot.

The best example I read was this; compare a sprinter with a distance runner. Both are 'peak human,' but are they identical? No. The sprinter is faster over short distances, while the distance runner has better stamina. This is because they're trained for different things.

Cap can out-last the distance-runner and out-sprint the sprinter, because the SSS optimised his body to the peak of human potential in every aspect. He is not just a great athlete, he's not 'Batman with a shield.' He is not 'a peak human,' he is THE peak human, in every way possible.

Not to mention Cap's body doesn't build up lactic acid. Again this is something 'regular' peak humans can't do.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Technically speaking so is Cap.

Before anyone says "Cap's a peak human," remember that Steve was given a SUPER-soldier serum. The serum optimised his body in every way that a human body can be. This is not something you can do just by working out a lot.

The best example I read was this; compare a sprinter with a distance runner. Both are 'peak human,' but are they identical? No. The sprinter is faster over short distances, while the distance runer has better stamina. This is because they're trained for different things.

Cap can out-last the distance-runner and out-sprint the sprinter, because the SSS optimised his body to the peak of human potential in every aspect. He is not just a great athlete, he's not 'Batman with a shield,' he's something more.

Not to mention Cap's body doesn't build up lactic acid. Again this is something 'regular' peak humans can't do.

correct Cap is the Pinacle of human physical perfection yes yes yes, you are right. Pinacle of HU-MAN perfection.

Blade is somthing else - very nearly the pinacle of VAMPIRE perfection.

the perfect vampire is slaughtering the perfect human no doubt..(im not saying blade stomps cap) im just saying..

Originally posted by Juk3n
correct Cap is the Pinacle of human physical perfection yes yes yes, you are right. Pinacle of HU-MAN perfection.

Blade is somthing else - very nearly the pinacle of VAMPIRE perfection.

the perfect vampire is slaughtering the perfect human no doubt..(im not saying blade stomps cap) im just saying..

Karnak is said to be the peak of Inhuman perfection (Inhumans are stronger and faster than humans), his speed feats are crap in comparison with Caps and he might not even be any stronger than Cap.

All this is theory at the end of the day when were are talking about street level characters peak human tends to mean the same as superhuman. Hell Deadpool is superhuman does he have any feats better than Cap......nope.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Technically speaking so is Cap.

Before anyone says "Cap's a peak human," remember that Steve was given a SUPER-soldier serum. The serum optimised his body in every way that a human body can be. This is not something you can do just by working out a lot.

The best example I read was this; compare a sprinter with a distance runner. Both are 'peak human,' but are they identical? No. The sprinter is faster over short distances, while the distance runner has better stamina. This is because they're trained for different things.

Cap can out-last the distance-runner and out-sprint the sprinter, because the SSS optimised his body to the peak of human potential in every aspect. He is not just a great athlete, he's not 'Batman with a shield.' He is not 'a peak human,' he is THE peak human, in every way possible.

Not to mention Cap's body doesn't build up lactic acid. Again this is something 'regular' peak humans can't do.

To be quite honest with you peak human is just a term that they decided to use to describe Cap, hes obvoulsy not peak human or atheletes would be able to keep up with him and would have similar feats.

It doesnt even make any sense. LOL techincally Dr Strange is even more peak human than Cap. 😂

Originally posted by Juk3n
correct Cap is the pinnacle of human physical perfection yes yes yes, you are right. pinnacle of HU-MAN perfection.

Blade is somthing else - very nearly the pinnacle of VAMPIRE perfection.

the perfect vampire is slaughtering the perfect human no doubt..(im not saying blade stomps cap) im just saying..

Captain America is the pinnacle of human evolution, the be all and end. He isn't the best of what human's can be now, he is what they could be in a million years form now. The perfect human. Blade is the peak (no he isn't but I'll through you a bone) of what vampires are currently... not what they could be at the peak of their evolution. Do you see the difference? You are operating under the assumption that base line vampirism is greater than the finial form of human evolution, and clearly it isn't because Blade doesn't have any speed or strength feats that put him on par with Cap let alone surpass him.

If a guy benches 800lbs and an other guy tops out at 400lbs but insists he is superhuman, is the second man now stronger than the first because of a title? No.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are operating under the assumption that base line vampirism is greater than the finial form of human evolution

not exactly how id put it, and i may have phrased something incorrectly.

Now i know Blade has not the feats to put him near Cap.

Im really just trying to gauge some sort of Physical power hierachy (sp?)
from 2 specific creatures in the marvel universe.

Balde has been shown - on-panel- to be AS strong as the strongest vampire in the MU, (or very nearly as strong as). Cap is generally regarded - as the reprezentation of a human perfection and full potential.
What ever that may be..evolution may play out differently but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt he's IT.

All im doing is assuming the Strongest CURRENT vampire is still stronger than what Cap is, my opinion is that in-spite of what feats are at our disposal, is vampires > Humans?

is a weak vampire stronger than a weak human?
is a strong vampire stronger than a strong human?
is the STRONGEST vampire stronger than the strongest Human?

Blade cant win by feat comparison i agree - but i think he takes these bouts with Cap.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade doesn't have any speed or strength feats that put him on par with Cap let alone surpass him.

Yeah he has speed feats on par with Cap calm down. 🙄

Originally posted by Juk3n
not exactly how id put it, and i may have phrased something incorrectly.

Now i know Blade has not the feats to put him near Cap.

Im really just trying to gauge some sort of Physical power hierachy (sp?)
from 2 specific creatures in the marvel universe.

Balde has been shown - on-panel- to be AS strong as the strongest vampire in the MU, (or very nearly as strong as). Cap is generally regarded - as the reprezentation of a human perfection and full potential.
What ever that may be..evolution may play out differently but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt he's IT.

All im doing is assuming the Strongest CURRENT vampire is still stronger than what Cap is, my opinion is that in-spite of what feats are at our disposal, is vampires > Humans?

is a weak vampire stronger than a weak human?
is a strong vampire stronger than a strong human?
is the STRONGEST vampire stronger than the strongest Human?

Yeah and already explained that is THEORY. As I explained Inhumans are also supposed to be faster than humans but Cap is still faster than Karnak

Originally posted by Juk3n

Blade cant win by feat comparison i agree - but i think he takes these bouts with Cap.

You dont have any proof even with theory.

I saw one issue were Blade got cut in the face and the wound ws still there hours later. Thats terrible. Hell I just think it allows him to take lethal damage and not get killed I dont know about being Koed. Not being bad but if Blades Hf is that terrible even Cap has one.

blade healing factor is pretty muc hdependant on his vampiric abilities, his vampiric abilities are fueled by blood. This is why at times it could take him a day to heal an injury or at others it could take a few seconds

even in his new series he has taken bullets and been fine a panel later

many of his durability feats are him taking bullets with no damage

others have him being slashed by swords and/or stabbed and being fine (was impaled by dracula in the last comic of his newer series, and was slashed across the stomach against a vampire in a sword fight in another)

but if anything thats prety much what vampires do, they ca ntake pretty much any damage as long as it doesnt destroy the heart or the head (as in destroy the head completely so that they can't feed)

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Captain America is the pinnacle of human evolution, the be all and end. He isn't the best of what human's can be now, he is what they could be in a million years form now. The perfect human. Blade is the peak (no he isn't but I'll through you a bone) of what vampires are currently... not what they could be at the peak of their evolution. Do you see the difference? You are operating under the assumption that base line vampirism is greater than the finial form of human evolution, and clearly it isn't because Blade doesn't have any speed or strength feats that put him on par with Cap let alone surpass him.

If a guy benches 800lbs and an other guy tops out at 400lbs but insists he is superhuman, is the second man now stronger than the first because of a title? No.

normal vampires have speed blitzed spiderman and have overpowered him (can captain america do that?)

normal vampired have astounded luke cage with their brute strength and luke cage is far stronger than captain america, and normal vampires have dodged bullets point blank range

you havent given many feats for captain america but can he dodge bullets at point blank, does he have the speed to speedblitz spiderman?, would he be able to make luke cage struggle if he were to wrestle with him?

Technically, according to Avengers lore, Rick Jones wielding the Destiny Force is supposed to be the end all, be all of human evolution. And according to the damn muties, humanity will be gone in a few centuries replaced by homo superior. Damn filthy muties...

The perfect vampire>the perfect human imo. This fight comes down to Cap's skills and ability to just get the job done.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Technically speaking so is Cap.

No, caps peak human; by feats and by definition. Have you have seen a human do the things that cap can do in real life? I'll assure you; that you haven't. Just because his feats look Superhuman (by our real life standards) doesn't mean he is superhuman by comic standards.

[i]Originally posted by chilled monkey

Before anyone says "Cap's a peak human," remember that Steve was given a SUPER-soldier serum.

Damn, that ends the debate Cap has the "SUPER" soldier serum. I guess my "SUPER" nintendo has better graphics then my wii.

[i]Originally posted by chilled monkey

The serum optimised his body in every way that a human body can be. This is not something you can do just by working out a lot.

Agreed.

[i]Originally posted by chilled monkey

The best example I read was this; compare a sprinter with a distance runner. Both are 'peak human,' but are they identical? No. The sprinter is faster over short distances, while the distance runner has better stamina. This is because they're trained for different things.

No, no their not; nor the sprinter or the distance runner are peak human. The world record in the 100m dash today, will be deemed slow 500 years from now when the world record reads Sub 7-8 seconds. Cap is what humans will be when our physical evolution is complete.

We are still getting faster, stronger, smarter, therefore there isn't a single peak human in anything on the planet.

[i]Originally posted by chilled monkey

Cap can out-last the distance-runner and out-sprint the sprinter, because the SSS optimised his body to the peak of human potential in every aspect. He is not just a great athlete, he's not 'Batman with a shield.' He is not 'a peak human,' he is THE peak human, in every way possible.

Agreed, but see above as the why this is not a very good comparison.

[i]Originally posted by chilled monkey

Not to mention Cap's body doesn't build up lactic acid. Again this is something 'regular' peak humans can't do.

This is probably the only super human thing cap has. Look, Blade is superhuman by definition. Sure he doesn't have the feats to back it up, but then again, Juggernaut doesn't have the strength feats to match Thors or Hulks, yet he has shown to be on their level.

A character should not be hindered because of lack of feats, (unless their name and Champion). Cap has probably 1000's of more appearances then blade, thus, a shit load of more feats.

Also to add, I do think Cap will take the win; I'm just saying, Blade is Superhuman.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
blade healing factor is pretty muc hdependant on his vampiric abilities, his vampiric abilities are fueled by blood. This is why at times it could take him a day to heal an injury or at others it could take a few seconds

even in his new series he has taken bullets and been fine a panel later

many of his durability feats are him taking bullets with no damage

others have him being slashed by swords and/or stabbed and being fine (was impaled by dracula in the last comic of his newer series, and was slashed across the stomach against a vampire in a sword fight in another)

but if anything thats prety much what vampires do, they ca ntake pretty much any damage as long as it doesnt destroy the heart or the head (as in destroy the head completely so that they can't feed)

Ok fair enough but I really dont see how thats going to make that much difference when hes fought people much tougher than Blade.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
The perfect vampire>the perfect human imo. This fight comes down to Cap's skills and ability to just get the job done.

Karnak is the perfect Inhuman, Inhuman > Humans, Karnacks feats suck apart from his ability to break stuff with his hands. I think I'' concede that hes tougher due to his HF but I dont think hes faster or stronger.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
No, caps peak human; by feats and by definition. Have you have seen a human do the things that cap can do in real life? I'll assure you; that you haven't. Just because his feats look Superhuman (by our real life standards) doesn't mean he is superhuman by comic standards.

To be quite honest with you even in the comic world the term peak human is bullshit. I think the main reason why they called him peak human is because human beings cant reach Caps level just via training they have to take enhancements....quite frankly that by defintion makes him superhuman. Also some characters are said to be superhuman but have feats identical to Cap.

We also know that there are actually lots of humans that have feats that exceed Cap via training eg Temugin, Dr Strange, Tibetan Monks MU

Even in the comic world peak human really means low superhuman and we can assume that any street level character with superhuman stats (unless specified eg class 10 strength) is more or less the same as peak human.

but they have similar speed feats, I'm not saying one is faster than the other

and lbade has faught people much touger than captain america (dracula, varnae, etc.)

Originally posted by Apolloknight
A character should not be hindered because of lack of feats, (unless their name and Champion). Cap has probably 1000's of more appearances then blade, thus, a shit load of more feats.

Blade though? He don't even have those.

cap has atleast twice the stats of a peak human presently, plus his skill etc. he wins. heck deadpool is afraid of him.