Originally posted by carver9
So does WWH. 😕
WWH starts at a certain level and amps.
Grundy can be anything from a low herald in terms of power levels to beyond the likes of PC or mainstream Superman. I don't see how a couple of scans of Grundy getting the better of Superman makes that a win in the WWH column.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
WWH starts at a certain level and amps.Grundy can be anything from a low herald in terms of power levels to beyond the likes of PC or mainstream Superman. I don't see how a couple of scans of Grundy getting the better of Superman makes that a win in the WWH column.
I'm referring to current Grundy, not PC Grundy and where was it stated or shown Grundy being amped in those scans.
Superman was losing that fight and was on the ground fatigued until he was saved.
What in those scans show anything that proves that Grundy was superior to WWH?
Originally posted by carver9
I'm referring to current Grundy, not PC Grundy and where was it stated or shown Grundy being amped in those scans.Superman was losing that fight and was on the ground fatigued until he was saved.
What in those scans show anything that proves that Grundy was superior to WWH?
current grundy has the exact same thing going on.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm referring to current Grundy, not PC Grundy and where was it stated or shown Grundy being amped in those scans.Superman was losing that fight and was on the ground fatigued until he was saved.
What in those scans show anything that proves that Grundy was superior to WWH?
Ok.
And?
So those scans prove that Superman would get beaten by WWH when he has far, far, far better ones to show him beating WWH?
Originally posted by carver9
Where is the super speed at in those scans from Grundy?
Where's the OFFENSE from Superman?
Aside from the HV, which is more defensive than anything, you've got to love how Supes just stands there and lets his opponents fire away..
In the Supergirl/Ultimate Colossus thread, we saw the same thing in scans with Supergirl taking down someone who appeared to be handling Superman... That doesn't prove Superman is weak, it proves he holds back waaay to much for his own good...
Originally posted by cdtm
Where's the OFFENSE from Superman?Aside from the HV, which is more defensive than anything, you've got to love how Supes just stands there and lets his opponents fire away..
In the Supergirl/Ultimate Colossus thread, we saw the same thing in scans with Supergirl taking down someone who appeared to be handling Superman... That doesn't prove Superman is weak, it proves he holds back waaay to much for his own good...
When did I say that he was weak and Grundy didnt allow him to put up an offence. He tried once but Grundy clocked him with a boulder, then Grundy got on top of him choking him and after that, Superman was out of the fight.
I dont see why WWH wouldnt be able to do the same thing but a lot better since he is more powerful than Grundy. 😕
Originally posted by Parmaniac
😆 so I wasn't the first one who thought about this
They have a book dedicated to the subject, called "Alien Sex". It explores things like what happens when Supermans involuntary muscles take over at the end of choking it. (It implies the Kent house should look like swiss cheese), and whether his little soldiers go rampaging through the city with his power set...
I'm not even sure if Supermans "aura" is canon anymore, as that was a Byrne invention.. But back in the day, he was actually able to extend his aura and move an alien saucer around, despite being restrained. I know there's at least one example out there of him extending his aura to a person, and is claimed as such in the comic, but don't know the issue off hand..
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Hulk can move his limbs FTL? So does that mean he can outrun the Flash?
No, but neither can Karate Kid. Yet he has very clear cut feats of hitting super speedsters, countering super speedsters, and dodging super speed attacks (Like when he took on the Tornado Twins, who have Flash level speed, or when Mon El kept trying to fry him with his heat vision, and he danced around the beams)
The Hulk firing off punches at ftl speeds but not being able to run at ftl is similar to my theory about Lobo, who also has no speed feats outside of Supes claiming he's really fast, as he's getting assaulted..
Originally posted by -Pr-
the comics say that when superman doesn't want to get hit, he doesn't get hit.
Nevermind what they say, it's what they show. Supes is a brawler, for the majority of his Big fighs against viable threats, he doesn't fly at them at his maximum speed and hit them with the fullest extent of his power, not never. He brawls and in this case WWH out brawls him.
with BFR Supes 10/10 obviously.
Originally posted by cdtm
No, but neither can Karate Kid. Yet he has very clear cut feats of hitting super speedsters, countering super speedsters, and dodging super speed attacks (Like when he took on the Tornado Twins, who have Flash level speed, or when Mon El kept trying to fry him with his heat vision, and he danced around the beams)The Hulk firing off punches at ftl speeds but not being able to run at ftl is similar to my theory about Lobo, who also has no speed feats outside of Supes claiming he's really fast, as he's getting assaulted..
None of them fight as fast as light if you ask me. There is no proof proving this claim. No on panel showings, nothing. You have some hyperbolic statements from each of them, hell, everyone has them but true showings of that speed, especially during combat, besides flash, it doesnt exist.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Nevermind what they say, it's what they show. Supes is a brawler, for the majority of his Big fighs against viable threats, he doesn't fly at them at his maximum speed and hit them with the fullest extent of his power, not never. He brawls and in this case WWH out brawls him.with BFR Supes 10/10 obviously.
I forgot about BFRing. Yeah, I agree, with that option on, Superman gets the high majority.