Originally posted by -Pr-Flash is faster than Superman. It's been stated. Flash makes pretty much every other herald look like a snail next to him in terms of both travel and reflex speed.
still doesnt mean that superman can't or doesn't use speed. like the time he fought that samurai guy and every movement was causing sonic booms.
he's one of the fastest (if not the fastest) non-Flash high herald when it comes to combat speed.
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Which is why i say hulk never lands a punch.......
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Funny, there were numerous of character who servived being inside the core of the sun, but run like babies when faced against the Heat Vision. Heck, the Heat Vision cannot be measure because it's TOO hot, but the core of the sun can. That tells you something. Also, HV is concentrated beam/laser, while the core of the sun is not.Punches hurt a lot. If you are going to stand there and say Superman's punches that can destroy planet can't hurt Hulk then you need to re-read WWH arc.
Ice breath may not be a game breaker but it helps in so many ways. Freeze+HV+Punches like he did against Imperiex, and DD. Both who were stronger then WWH,
Everything you posted was nothing but hyperbole statements.
When has Superman crushed a planet?
By the way, Johnny went Nova on Hulk and Hulk just sat there and took it without even attacking and it did nothing to him. He was bathed in his nova flames which was also stated as being hotter than the core of the sun and WWH didnt get a scratch.
If anyone fall to punches, it will be Superman first.
Originally posted by -Pr-
umm, supes using flying tackles all the time.and they do show him using insane speed when he wants to.
yes he does. it was even stated.
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Flash is faster than Superman. It's been stated. Flash makes pretty much every other herald look like a snail next to him in terms of both travel and reflex speed.
still doesnt mean that superman can't or doesn't use speed. like the time he fought that samurai guy and every movement was causing sonic booms.
he's one of the fastest (if not the fastest) non-Flash high herald when it comes to combat speed.
When it comes to combat, no he is not one of the fastest.
Him creating sonic booms during punches doesnt make him one of the fastest. You really have no showings to prove that he is untouchable to Hulk like characters because in every fight that he gets in with a brick, he has been hit.
I also never stated that Superman doesnt possess combat speed bc he does. Does he possess enough combat speed NOT to get hit by WWH, there is where we disagree.
For every one scan that you show me of Superman not being hit by a brick like character, I can show you 10 where he IS being hit.
Originally posted by cdtm
Not to mention other tactics.I mean, who "isn't" a brawler going by most continuity? You've got to look past that stuff when they're written smart, like the time Superman simply launched Neutron into orbit, or when he tossed Kanto far away instead of get involved in an extended fight.
Or in Lobo and Supes retconned first meeting, Supes took advantage of the fact that Lobo can't fly and simply tossed him around, and threw him into stuff.
There's plenty of examples of Supes using some intelligence with his power set, instead of simply tossing punches.
I agree with this, that is why I said, with BFRing on, Supes gets the majority.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
In a No-PIS fight Hulk wouldn't be able to touch Superman physically. Supes is too fast and can phase through Hulk's punches.
What is PIS when it comes to Superman? You cant call something PIS when it has been going on since the beginning of his creation. If anything is PIS, its him USING his speed during combat vs him not using it since we have so much on panel showings of him fighting like a brick.
Just like I told Pr, for every one showing of Superman using his speed in a fight, I can show you at least 10 to 20 where he isnt using it.
Same goes for my fave character Gladiator, I dont have enough showings for him to even say that he can become invisible to the Hulk. There are some out there that exist (numerous) but it is to many showings of him fighting the opposite to make my claim hold any kind of weight.
Originally posted by Juk3n
The fight will go the way of DoS. Given supes can fly a light speed and DD weighed in at oh, say about 1.5 tones maybe 2, he could have launched/carried DD into orbit in about 0.0000038 seconds and proceeded to have the upperhand in space. BUT..because Supes fights likea moron sometimes he tried to brawl it out. Hulk out brawls him.For every instance showing supes using superspeed against a non super speeded opponent, i can show you one with a non-superspeed opponent throttling Supes. So many that it could be argued the norm that - while in supes power to do so - he doesnt fight to his best capability nearly NEVER. Were not arguing the 'superman powerset' vs 'the hulk powerset' were arguing characters. Would Supes be a blur to Hulk if they fought? um no. Not by showings. And when people say supes doesnt want to be touched - he wont...just what exactly are you saying about his intelligence if he 'wants' to take all these blows he can so easily avoid..lol.
The reasoning here is starting to get a little H1a8 'spiderman can't be touched by any street leveller' ummkay...
CISless, i'll grant superman all the wins he wants,Cisless is powerset vs powerset. This fight isnt, Hulk Pounds.
Good post.
Superman punches WWH unconscious, then flies to Smallville and helps Pa Kent finish his chores. Clark stays for supper.
While waiting for pie on the front porch. Jonathan asks Clark if anything interesting happened today. Clark remarks that is was just another typical day. Clark finishes his slice of pie then flies to Metropolis.
Superman wins.
Originally posted by Juk3n
👇which is why slower beings than WWH have landed punches?
Oh wait i forgot Superman 'WANTED' to get hit by those, makes perfect sense in a fight of life or death 'get hit moar!!!' thats just extraordianry.
first of all your getting the wrong idea...you sit their and think...Oh look a superman fanboy.....you don't have any idea how wrong you are...im probably the single most "hater" for superman their is but im not gonna be biased on here......have you read the rules?
superman is using all of his powers to the best of his ability......and WWH is as well....
take flash for example.....hes far faster then light yet he gets tagged by Captain Cold now and again....but what you don't seem to understand is captain cold hits him purely because the story would only last for like one panel....and i don't think any one here would buy a one panel comic........
this is not a panel fight so you can't take away from someones speed/powers(especially according to KMC rules) just because its convenient so your "preferred" Character can win.....
IMO if it's someone like Flash,Superman,Silver Surfer ect that shows extremely high end speed does not get tagged unless it's at the very least by someone that can reach a similar speed....
Originally posted by BlackZero30xthis is not a panel fight so you can't take away from someones speed/powers(especially according to KMC rules) just because its convenient so your "preferred" Character can win.....
This not an arguments of 'powerset' vs 'powerset' because there would be no argument, supes would win , hands down. And this is not CISless. Superman ENTIRE career of brawling cannot just be thrown out the window, his entire career can't be PIS. Well it can i suppose, bu then you gotta ask yourself..whats more likley, Supermans entire 40+(however long) career of brawling vastly slower characters is PIS? Or Superman fights like a moron ALOT?
In Forum battles like this, rules state combatans still fight in-character, unless stated to be a CISless battle.
2 things come into question, 1) Does Hulk do very well when taking on beings vastly faster than him? Yes. Thor/Sentry/Gladiator/More.
2) Does Superman (despite his vastly superior speed) end up brawlin the MAJORITY of the time against SLOWER opponents? Yes. In this fight, They will Brawl, for a long time, and in the end Hulk will out-brawl any Herald.
Originally posted by Spirewwh punches superman's jaw to smallville, it lands in ma kent's pie (the pastry, not the ...)
Superman punches WWH unconscious, then flies to Smallville and helps Pa Kent finish his chores. Clark stays for supper.While waiting for pie on the front porch. Jonathan asks Clark if anything interesting happened today. Clark remarks that is was just another typical day. Clark finishes his slice of pie then flies to Metropolis.
Superman wins.
Originally posted by Juk3n
This not an arguments of 'powerset' vs 'powerset' because there would be no argument, supes would win , hands down. And this is not CISless. Superman ENTIRE career of brawling cannot just be thrown out the window, his entire career can't be PIS. Well it can i suppose, bu then you gotta ask yourself..whats more likley, Supermans entire 40+(however long) career of brawling vastly slower characters is PIS? Or Superman fights like a moron ALOT?In Forum battles like this, rules state combatans still fight in-character, unless stated to be a CISless battle.
2 things come into question, 1) Does Hulk do very well when taking on beings vastly faster than him? Yes. Thor/Sentry/Gladiator/More.
2) Does Superman (despite his vastly superior speed) end up brawlin the MAJORITY of the time against SLOWER opponents? Yes. In this fight, They will Brawl, for a long time, and in the end Hulk will out-brawl any Herald.
Understood.
But while yes the rules are as you stated "in character" which means what you said....the rules also state that each character uses the fullest of their ability's....not to mention it also states that unless stated otherwise the everyone has basic knowledge of the others.....meaning sups would be no slouch....