Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Sentry has showings greater than Superman in durability, way before he went all Voidtry.
Or he could show someone as fast as WWH tagging Superman. And on that, you'd only have to read every other Superman comic for such an instance.
^ Seriously, more than one punch was thrown in Sentry's direction.
Originally posted by Omega VisionConveniently on-topic, taking several WWH's punches without flinching.
Other than the Cosmic Cube feat I'm drawing a blank.Consistent PIS/CIP is still PIS/CIP.
It's not PIS that someone can punch Superman. It happens a lot. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen in like every comic he's been in.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Seriously, more than one punch was thrown in Sentry's direction. Conveniently on-topic, taking several WWH's punches without flinching.It's not PIS that someone can punch Superman. It happens a lot. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen in like every comic he's been in.
It is PIS if the person has no enhanced reflexes or speed to think of.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Supes PIS come in play when he always has to win in a comic. Like beating people that are outta his league etc....On here there is no PIS.
Originally posted by Omega VisionIt's not PIS that Superman get's punched. Get the h1a8-styled "Superman's so fast he wins in a nanosecond via combo to KO" nonsense outta here.
It is PIS if the person has no enhanced reflexes or speed to think of.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's not PIS that Superman get's punched. Get the h1a8-styled "Superman's so fast he wins in a nanosecond via combo to KO" nonsense outta here.
^ No, it's what Superman does. "Superman will never get hit by anybody slower than him cuz that's PIS" makes as much, or less, sense as "Wolverine can't have his brain penetrated cuz that's PIS."
Originally posted by The NuulThat's what h1a8 argues. There is literally no difference. It's your argument and his, not mine.
I cannot stand that H1 shit. But in full capacity supes will stomp Hulk.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ No, it's what Superman does. "Superman will never get hit by anybody slower than him cuz that's PIS" makes as much, or less, sense as "Wolverine can't have his brain penetrated cuz that's PIS." That's what h1a8 argues. There is literally no difference. It's your argument and his, not mine.
No he think *^&(354354) x 3 = Supes >>> Galactus.
I dont think Supes can beat Thanos, he does think that Supes would murder him. Thanos is too damn powerful and tough. Without PIS there is a limit on what level Supes can beat people at IMO. Supes doesnt need PIS to beat Hulk.
Supes holds back while fighting slow people, if he wanted to he would destroy a lot more of them. On KMC this is Supes at full capacity means that hes not holding back but he wouldnt kill.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
First, it's been stated enough times in Superman appearances that he tests an unknown opponent before drawing up on all his powers. Second, it's been stated enough times that Superman rarely goes all out to avoid casualties and collateral damage. Third, this is KMC and we use characters to the best of their ability. PIS is Superman fighting an opponent where he can't unleash all his powers due to people and buildings. CIS is Superman forgetting he has those powers, which doesn't happen. CIP (Character Inhibited Power), which applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth, is a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold.
On KMC, there's a standard battlefield setting. They start 1/2 mile/kilometer apart with no distinct features to the battlefield and each side receives basic knowledge of their opponent. So to think Supes is just going to slug it out with WWH or not use his full range of power/abilities is absurd.
To sum up, Supes knows WWH's capabilities. There are no civilians or buildings for Supes to worry about. Anyone who thinks he won't fight smart is just biased and they will be brought some e-pain from me personally. sneer
That said, whether Supes can succeed where an all out Sentry failed is the crux of the debate.
And Carver, you've been shown scan after scan that Supes has used his super speed to fight. You've also been shit stomped with scans proving Supes can travel beyond light speed. You not wanting to acknowledge or believe the proof is on you. But denying said proof is trolling and will be dealt with. If I see any more goofy posts about Ironman, War machine or anything else, I'll be giving the warning, not PR.
Originally posted by Badabing
First, it's been stated enough times in Superman appearances that he tests an unknown opponent before drawing up on all his powers. Second, it's been stated enough times that Superman rarely goes all out to avoid casualties and collateral damage. Third, this is KMC and we use characters to the best of their ability. PIS is Superman fighting an opponent where he can't unleash all his powers due to people and buildings. CIS is Superman forgetting he has those powers, which doesn't happen. CIP (Character Inhibited Power), which applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth, is a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold.On KMC, there's a standard battlefield setting. They start 1/2 mile/kilometer apart with no distinct features to the battlefield and each side receives basic knowledge of their opponent. So to think Supes is just going to slug it out with WWH or not use his full range of power/abilities is absurd.
To sum up, Supes knows WWH's capabilities. There are no civilians or buildings for Supes to worry about. Anyone who thinks he won't fight smart is just biased and they will be brought some e-pain from me personally. sneer
That said, whether Supes can succeed where an all out Sentry failed is the crux of the debate.
And Carver, you've been shown scan after scan that Supes has used his super speed to fight. You've also been shit stomped with scans proving Supes can travel beyond light speed. You not wanting to acknowledge or believe the proof is on you. But denying said proof is trolling and will be dealt with. If I see any more goofy posts about Ironman, War machine or anything else, I'll be giving the warning, not PR.
i totally said CIP.
Originally posted by -Pr-I don't doubt that he can and would flat out embarass people with his speed. But he doesn't do it to everybody. Because he doesn't need to (most of the time). In connection with that, Superman doesn't usually does so, when he hasn't even gained the full measure of his opponents. And one of Hulk's immutable characteristics is that he always suprises his opponents with his speed that belies his size/strength. Which is, the reason 90% of the time, Superman gets clonked by his brick opponents (who aren't on WWH's level). I'm not suggesting Superman won't know that Hulk is strongest there is (like so many of his brick opponents declare or demonstrate), but Superman would likely again be caught off guard by his relative speed. He ain't going superspeed intangible at the start of this fight (and I'd hardly believe you would make that argument).
It's CIS that Superman gets hit by slow opponents. He fights at his opponent's level more often than not. It's evident due to the fact that on several occasions when he's been forced to, he's been more than able to amp up his speed and flat out embarass people.
Originally posted by The NuulYou are echoing h1a8's sentiments. H1a8 just tries to use equations to illustrate his thinking and exhaustively demonstrate why such thinking is cogent. In my estimation, you're simply starting from the same exact basis, bypassing the silly mathematics, and making the same exact conclusion.
No he think *^&(354354) x 3 = Supes >>> Galactus.I dont think Supes can beat Thanos, he does think that Supes would murder him. Thanos is too damn powerful and tough. Without PIS there is a limit on what level Supes can beat people at IMO. Supes doesnt need PIS to beat Hulk.
Supes holds back while fighting slow people, if he wanted to he would destroy a lot more of them. On KMC this is Supes at full capacity means that hes not holding back but he wouldnt kill.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.