Superman Vs WWH (Definitive, Official, One and only thread)

Originally posted by Deadline
aaaand again the point is it doesn't count as evidence. Something you tired to deny then admitted to doing.

Once more time: Quote me where I called it or tried to pass it off as actual evidence.

I wouldn't even attempt to do so. Pak's original outline was just to show that Green Scar being taken on by someone on Thor's/Superman's level is not far fetched. Even by his biggest fanboy. That's all. By it's very nature it wouldn't count as evidence. No one would try to pass it off as such either as it doesn't actual count until it's put into print.

Really? Where?

You know, your best option right now would be to shut up and just drop the subject. You tried to be a smart ass for some reason, but it backfired. It happens bud.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't trust your interpretation and even if it did happen Thor didn't do it. When Thor fought Void he was getting owned.

Sentry himself stated Blue Marvel was pushing to his limits. Which would make sense, as at the end of the fight, he could barely stand. I used Blue Marvel as a comparison as the writer made it quite clear his about as strong as Thor more than a few times. Further evidence that someone on Thor's level strength wise taking on the Sentry isn't as far fetched as you want to believe.

The full Void manifestation was winning against Thor in the beginning of Siege #4. I'm not sure how that correlates to the Sentry, as it was made quite clear, there's a gap between the Sentry and the Void post Jenkins. At the very least, the Void knows how to access a greater reservoir of power.

You seem to have this unnecessary stance that hero mode Sentry is beyond Thor's level. Are you a Green Scar fan by any chance?

Thor being on Sentry's level scares those guys silly.

Originally posted by Deadline
Obvoulsy if Sentry was fully confident when he first attacked Thor he would have owned Thor.

Lulz. Why?

IRCC, Norman's secretary was describing the power level of characters, and it was made pretty clear Thor is at least as powerful as the Sentry. However, Nick Fury also stated that Thor would handle Sentry at the back of the Siege issues. Which is no surprise reading Siege #1. I'm not sure if the first was written by Bendis but the second part was. It is second hand evidence, so it's not proof. It's just food for thought since Thor taking on the Sentry shouldn't be possible going by your posts.

Originally posted by Deadline
Mate Thor didn't take on or hold his own against Void/Sentry it was humiliating Thor. You better read it again.

Thor was taking on the Void/Sentry combo. He wasn't on the losing end until he broke the shell of the Sentry and the tentacles were out there. I think you better read it again.

ODG pieced together their fight in the respect thread. Only a few mouse clicks away.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It might have been hyperbole, but it being Umar's creation -Dormammu's sister- it's not like she would lack the power. Still, it's a hyperbolic statement.

Huffing and puffing?

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan5.jpg

If your to lazy to read through them, Thor was only humoring Kang. Half a planet? Bah.

Haha, how is the World Engine feat more measurable?

It's also been stated -by Masterosn I think- that Thor can bench press small planets. That was after he had merged with Thor and gained all of his memories. He was basically describing Thor's past.

Crap! 😛

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So, based on that, you think his twice as strong as Thor? You don't think Thor has feats that can match or surpass that?

And why in your opinion is that such an impressive feat? He held to plates together, not halves of the planet as I've seen some people claim.

To start off, Thor resists a gravimetric pull akin to that of a Neutron Star and breaks free.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar2.jpg

That in my opinion is more impressive than the plate feat.

Main Entry: AKIN
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈkin\
Function: adjective
Date: 1567
1 : related by blood : descended from a common ancestor or prototype
2 : essentially similar, related, or compatible <his interests are akin to mine>

The only thing Thor is lifting there is the debris collapsing onto him, even if you multiply that weight by a million is still less than a planet

Originally posted by biensalsa
Main Entry: AKIN
Pronunciation: \&#601;-&#712;kin\
Function: adjective
Date: 1567
1 : related by blood : descended from a common ancestor or prototype
2 : essentially similar, related, or compatible <his interests are akin to mine

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't see what point you're trying to make here. Are you calling the on-panel narration false? Because anything "essentially similar, related, or compatible" to the pull of a Neutron Star, even if it's only a ghost of that kind of force is immensely greater than that of a planet the size of Earth.

sim·i·lar (sm-lr) KEY

ADJECTIVE:

Related in appearance or nature; <b> alike though not identical. </b>

The graviton bombs created and effect AKIN (alike though not identical) to that of a neutron star. That ONLY pull the debris arround Thor, If this were IDENTICAL to a Neutron Star, The planet will have been destroyed and the Planet should have collapsed too into Thor's body.

This bombs created an effect similar to that of a neutron star but far from being an actual neutron star.

The gravitational pull arround Thor's body was incremented but just enough to pull anything with in 1 mile (and I am being generous). The gravitational pull of Thor was greater than that of the planet ONLY with in one mile. The graviattional pull of the planet was greater than that of Thor, that is why you did not see mountain ranges collapsing into Thor's body.

You think the gravitational pull of a identical neutron star will have been that benevolent with the planet?

The narration on panel is perfect and is dead on, the interpretation is what is not. Gravitational boms create an effect SIMILAR to that of a NEUTRON STAR, but they are not IDENTICAL.

I will question if the debris arround Thor's body will weigth the same as planet earth. Anyone up for some numbers?

didn't know thor was in this thread

Originally posted by biensalsa
sim·i·lar (sm-lr) KEY

ADJECTIVE:

Related in appearance or nature; <b> alike though not identical. </b>

The graviton bombs created and effect AKIN (alike though not identical) to that of a neutron star. That ONLY pull the debris arround Thor, If this were IDENTICAL to a Neutron Star, The planet will have been destroyed and the Planet should have collapsed too into Thor's body.

This bombs created an effect similar to that of a neutron star but far from being an actual neutron star.

The gravitational pull arround Thor's body was incremented but just enough to pull anything with in 1 mile (and I am being generous). The gravitational pull of Thor was greater than that of the planet ONLY with in one mile. The graviattional pull of the planet was greater than that of Thor, that is why you did not see mountain ranges collapsing into Thor's body.

You think the gravitational pull of a identical neutron star will have been that benevolent with the planet?

The narration on panel is perfect and is dead on, the interpretation is what is not. Gravitational boms create an effect SIMILAR to that of a NEUTRON STAR, but they are not IDENTICAL.

I will question if the debris arround Thor's body will weigth the same as planet earth. Anyone up for some numbers?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
There's nothing more phailtastic than inserting "real world physics" into a comic that was written 30-40 years ago.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
There's nothing more phailtastic than inserting "real world physics" into a comic that was written 30-40 years ago. It's fiction mother****er.

Well, tell that to Mr. smarty pants H1.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
There's nothing more phailtastic than inserting "real world physics" into a comic that was written 30-40 years ago. It's fiction mother****er.

The narration on panel is perfect and is dead on, the interpretation is what is not. Gravitational boms create an effect SIMILAR to that of a NEUTRON STAR, but they are not IDENTICAL.

There is nothing "real world physics" in the panel.

Is really clear a graviton bomb creates and effect similar to that of a neutron star. That is WHY things collapse into THOR'S body, because thanks to the graviton bomb, his body BEHAVES similar to a neutron star.

There is nothing more phailtastic than inserting "real world physisc" into a comic that was written 30-40 years ago. It's fiction mother****er.

And yet people claim that a graviton bomb works EXACTLY like a "real world physics" neutron star 😱

Hulk can be weaker than Thor or he can be stronger. Hulk is variable.

I'm getting sick and tired of people saying Hulk is stronger than Thor or Thor is stronger than Hulk. Just nonsense.

lol

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can be weaker than Thor or he can be stronger. Hulk is variable.

I'm getting sick and tired of people saying Hulk is stronger than Thor or Thor is stronger than Hulk. Just nonsense.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can be weaker than Thor or he can be stronger. Hulk is variable.

I'm getting sick and tired of people saying Hulk is stronger than Thor or Thor is stronger than Hulk. Just nonsense.

Besides, we know that Hulk is stronger than Thor by default. How many times has Hulk declared that he's the strongest one there is? durhulk

biscuits

I know eh, Mr smarty pants doesnt even know how to read the RULES!

When I see Hulks name on here I think WWH unless stated other wise.

Originally posted by Badabing
I haven't seen Hulk in this phantom, weakened "variable" state that you and a lot of people talk about. Sure, Grey Hulk isn't as strong as Savage or WW Hulk. But it's built into the rules that fighters are at full capacity. So there will never be this Calm Hulk people like to post about. Calm Hulk is a misnomer from dated and irrelevant hand book data.

Besides, we know that Hulk is stronger than Thor by default. How many times has Hulk declared that he's the strongest one there is? durhulk

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Hulk has no full capacity. We shouldn't assume he is infinite. Plus his powers don't work that way. They are based off anger. So we shouldn't assume that Hulk's strength is constant either. My post didn't mention or imply a calm version. In comics, Thor was still holding his own even when Hulk's strength was increasing. This means that Thor is stronger than Hulk until Hulk gets mad enough to be stronger than him. Many other beings have overpowered Hulk UNTIL he got mad enough to even things out. This is the nature of his powers.

Lastly, Hulk saying he is the strongest one there is, is nothing more than hyperbole or pure lying. Now Hulk can potentially be the strongest one there is. The word "IS" is present tense and not future tense.

stfu

Nah. He's right.

A human brain can't produce infinite anything. Not anger. Nor anything else, emotion or otherwise.

Superman via dial eleven.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk has no full capacity. We shouldn't assume he is infinite. Plus his powers don't work that way. They are based off anger. So we shouldn't assume that Hulk's strength is constant either. My post didn't mention or imply a calm version. In comics, Thor was still holding his own even when Hulk's strength was increasing. This means that Thor is stronger than Hulk until Hulk gets mad enough to be stronger than him. Many other beings have overpowered Hulk UNTIL he got mad enough to even things out. This is the nature of his powers.

Lastly, Hulk saying he is the strongest one there is, is nothing more than hyperbole or pure lying. Now Hulk can potentially be the strongest one there is. The word "IS" is present tense and not future tense.

Second, you're really calling Hulk a liar...really? I mean he looked like the strongest one there is tearing through the MU during the WWH arc. durhulk

biscuits

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Nah. He's right.

A human brain can't produce infinite anything. Not anger. Nor anything else, emotion or otherwise.

Superman via dial eleven.

you guys act like it's a perfect equation: level of anger ^2 = his strength at any given time.

dude gets the job done when he needs to, in the plot they have him weaker than another character but then he wtf owns their ass by getting madder, no matter how emotionally stimulated he was before.

grey hulk gets a little pissed, he can shatter an asteroid twice the size of the earth, savage hulk gets a little pissed, he breaks down doors that are built to shield nuclear blasts. i guess gray hulk is superior give the level of anger required to do the deed.... 😐

hulk's anger just has to overcome him to make him physically stronger than his opponent, if you think he literally has infinite anger than you have the real problem.

his rage just has different outputs for the task at hand.