Originally posted by icu311
Superman 9/10IMHO it doesn't even matter how strong Hulk can get, he's not going to touch Superman. I know everyone hates the Superman "speedblitz" argument, but it works here.
have to agree, i refuse to think that hulk could ever take down the man of steele.
to think hulk can beat supes is just blasphemy!
Originally posted by Omega VisionSo let's just imagine for the sake of argument that you have two characters who either always knock each other out or, alternatively always kill each other, or a combination of both.
I call it a wash. A stalemate implies both parties are standing at the end.
You'd take KMC's normal "10/10" system and say... "It's a wash." rather than "5/10 stalemate"? Not trying to argue with you, just that for me, 5/10 stalemate means one character really isn't going to get a leg up on the other. Whether it means that 5/10 times one guy wins definitely and the other guy wins 5/10 definitively or they just knock each other out 10/10 times or they both give up 10/10 times or any combination thereof.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So let's just imagine for the sake of argument that you have two characters who either always knock each other out or, alternatively always kill each other, or a combination of both.You'd take KMC's normal "10/10" system and say... "It's a wash." rather than "5/10 stalemate"? Not trying to argue with you, just that for me, 5/10 stalemate means one character really isn't going to get a leg up on the other. Whether it means that 5/10 times one guy wins definitely and the other guy wins 5/10 definitively or they just knock each other out 10/10 times or they both give up 10/10 times or any combination thereof.
Originally posted by Galan007
Superman died. DD didn't. Technically.I mean, they were both ultimately resurrected, but at least DD's resurrection was part of his powerset. To this day, the specifics of Superman's resurrection have never been touched on.
Superman said he was in a state mirroring death. iirc DD did die, just came back, as you said.
Originally posted by Omega VisionYeah but that's caused by Monarch's power. Not by the simultaneous ko/death of both characters that's dependent on both characters actually succeeding (albeit, in a pyrrhic manner) to ko/kill the other under their own power.
Generally if both characters die I call it a wash. Like in hypothetical scenarios where a character fighting Monarch ruptures the suit. In almost all cases both Monarch and the character who ruptured the suit die. That isn't a stalemate, its a wash. Stalemate implies that both characters are intact and can continue their fight another day.
It's just how I consider legitimate double ko/kills for KMC purposes.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman said he was in a state mirroring death. iirc DD did die, just came back, as you said.
i thought his energy cells were depleted, basically he was in a coma, not really dead. just extremely exhausted. Just needed some more sun light. DD on the other hand was dead.
anyway supes wins this battle easily
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yeah... it never ceases to amaze me either how arguments are made that Doomsday can match Superman......
... wait, what? confused69 Superman also never had to fight anybody else other than Doomsday during Death of Superman. Doomsday fought a crapload of other heroes. Dying seconds later after Doomsday is a stalemate at best IMHO. It was an assisted victory at worst.
DD was quoted to be fast as flash. Hulk is not fast as flash. DD didn't get hurt til the very end of the comic where Superman was fighting him alone. So this is equivalent to Superman not ever getting assisted.