Originally posted by BadabingLOL. Bada u know I was commenting on someone elses post. They were talking about regular Hulk (hence they used the word Hulk and not WWH). My post wasn't on WWH. WWH is definitely stronger than Thor. There is no argument about it.
No, we're talking WW Hulk and it was explained why he was so amped. He learned meditation techniques which harness and focus his rage to amp himself. This was evident throughout the entire WW Hulk arc. And per forum rules, ALL combatants are at full capacity. So your calm state whatever post is moot.Second, you're really calling Hulk a liar...really? I mean he looked like the strongest one there is tearing through the MU during the WWH arc. durhulk
biscuits WW Hulk's dial goes to 13.5!!!!11 sneer
And again my post refers to a strength changing Hulk, not a calm one. It all depends on how pissed how is, not that he starts in a calm state Hulk. For example, Bruce can see Betty get killed by someone of super power and he changes to Hulk. This Hulk would be a lot stronger than say if someone just smacked him and caused him to change. So I agree, there is no calm Hulk, just different starting levels based off what made him angry.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Assuming you're speaking about Doomsday as an obvious Hulk clone... I think if you were going to take that analogy all the way, then wouldn't it be more appropriate to say Superman actually stalemated (since they'd both be dead)... and then they'd both come back to life (since they both did)? No?
Let's also remember that Superman has won virtually every encounter since then one way or another, H/P DD was the only one he had no chance of beating straight up.
^ Yeah... it never ceases to amaze me either how arguments are made that Doomsday can match Superman...
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... wait, what? confused69
Originally posted by Omega VisionSuperman also never had to fight anybody else other than Doomsday during Death of Superman. Doomsday fought a crapload of other heroes. Dying seconds later after Doomsday is a stalemate at best IMHO. It was an assisted victory at worst.
Well if you want to get technical Superman won the encounter straight up since Doomsday died before he did. A Pyrrhic victory but a victory nonetheless.Let's also remember that Superman has won virtually every encounter since then one way or another, H/P DD was the only one he had no chance of beating straight up.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yeah... it never ceases to amaze me either how arguments are made that Doomsday can match Superman......
... wait, what? confused69 Superman also never had to fight anybody else other than Doomsday. Doomsday fought a crapload of other heroes. Dying seconds later after Doomsday is a stalemate at best IMHO. It was an assisted victory at worst.
One guy drops first, that's not a stalemate, more of a wash or a very narrow victory for Superman.
Originally posted by Omega VisionSo Superman never once derived any sort of benefit from the assistance of all those heroes? He didn't even have the benefit of a breather?
Doomsday tore through most of those heroes. The only one (other than Clark) to give him any kind of real resistance was Maxima. The "assistance" Clark got amounted to the other heroes getting trashed and then combining their blasts which only served to free DD of his restraints. Before that he was beating these heroes with literally one hand tied behind his back.One guy drops first, that's not a stalemate, more of a wash or a very narrow victory for Superman.
That's a bit too unreasonable for me to swallow. They killed each other with blows that collided at the same instant. They were both down on the ground. In my opinion, Superman dying a few seconds later =/= the benefit Superman received from all the heroes helping him. Not even close.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So Superman never once derived any sort of benefit from the assistance of all those heroes? He didn't even have the benefit of a breather?That's a bit too unreasonable for me to swallow. They killed each other with blows that collided at the same instant. They were both down on the ground. In my opinion, Superman dying a few seconds later =/= the benefit Superman received from all the heroes helping him. Not even close.
Doomsday fell first and Superman fell a few moments later in Lois's arms. Even if you don't consider it Superman's victory its difficult to call it a stalemate if both parties die.
Originally posted by h1a8vin
LOL. Bada u know I was commenting on someone elses post. They were talking about regular Hulk (hence they used the word Hulk and not WWH). My post wasn't on WWH. WWH is definitely stronger than Thor. There is no argument about it.And again my post refers to a strength changing Hulk, not a calm one. It all depends on how pissed how is, not that he starts in a calm state Hulk. For example, Bruce can see Betty get killed by someone of super power and he changes to Hulk. This Hulk would be a lot stronger than say if someone just smacked him and caused him to change. So I agree, there is no calm Hulk, just different starting levels based off what made him angry.
Originally posted by Omega VisionAnd still all those allies took their best shots against Doomsday. Ultimately ineffectual, true. But not inconsequential considering that Superman had the benefit of not having Doomsday focused on him the entire time.
By the time the real fighting began it was pretty much Superman vs Doomsday, the other heroes didn't matter. Before that it was more like Superman rendering the other heroes assistance and keeping them from dying. Almost like he was a baby sitter really. That story played up Superman at the expense of other heroes.Doomsday fell first and Superman fell a few moments later in Lois's arms. Even if you don't consider it Superman's victory its difficult to call it a stalemate if both parties die.
... the underlined part is exactly why I'm calling it a stalemate at best.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And still all those allies took their best shots against Doomsday. Ultimately ineffectual, true. But not inconsequential considering that Superman had the benefit of not having Doomsday focused on him the entire time.... the underlined part is exactly why I'm calling it a stalemate at best.