Superman Vs WWH (Definitive, Official, One and only thread)

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nope but im sure there are examples of people dodging bullets, there obvoulsy not talking at high speed why would it be different with lightspeed.

When they dodge bullets, they normally move before the bullets are fired. And they're not finishing a sentence from the point the bullet has been fired, til it has reached them....

See how that's an awful analogy? If someone had finished a sentence in the time it would've taken the bullet to go from point A to B, it would've worked. But I'm sure you have examples of neither 🙂

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the runner vs thanos?

Thanos didn't speak until the runner had stopped?

And Thanos is very different from the Hulk. He's no slowbie.

Originally posted by llagrok
When they dodge bullets, they normally move before the bullets are fired. And they're not finishing a sentence from the point the bullet has been fired, til it has reached them....

See how that's an awful analogy? If someone had finished a sentence in the time it would've taken the bullet to go from point A to B, it would've worked. But I'm sure you have examples of neither 🙂

Thanos didn't speak until the runner had stopped?

And Thanos is very different from the Hulk. He's no slowbie.

Doesn't matter who it is..Hulk, Thanos, Flash.... we all should know that in the real world moving at speeds faster than sound dont allow tranmission of sound to even occur....much less for people who are attempting to speak while moving at light speed.

No, It shouldn't happen but it does. We have to accept it, as it has no bearing on the speed capabilites of comic characters here.

Originally posted by llagrok
When they dodge bullets, they normally move before the bullets are fired. And they're not finishing a sentence from the point the bullet has been fired, til it has reached them....

See how that's an awful analogy? If someone had finished a sentence in the time it would've taken the bullet to go from point A to B, it would've worked. But I'm sure you have examples of neither 🙂

It really doesnt matter the amount of talking that superheroes do while dodging bullets implies that they talk at superspeed according to your logic.

Doesnt matter anyway we have examples of Runner talking to people while moving at high speeds.

Originally posted by llagrok

Thanos didn't speak until the runner had stopped?

And Thanos is very different from the Hulk. He's no slowbie.

Sorry mate you can't prove that Thanos is faster.

Originally posted by Raoul
not true.

i stated it due to his performance against hulk, there's a difference.

Where you not stating that Sentry was not that impressive because of how Hulk performed?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Where you not stating that Sentry was not that impressive because of how Hulk performed?

no. i was saying that sentry was not impressive because of how he performed. if i made it sound the other way round, it was unintentional...

Originally posted by Raoul
no. i was saying that sentry was not impressive because of how he performed. if i made it sound the other way round, it was unintentional...

Ok, I thought Sentry looked pretty impressive.. IMO

- especially going toe to toe with WWH for that long.

Originally posted by Raoul
no. i was saying that sentry was not impressive because of how he performed. if i made it sound the other way round, it was unintentional...

My problem with that is you can't help comparing it to how Hulk fought against him. Obvoulsy if Sentry was punching so fast that WWH couldn't react you would have said otherwise.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Ok, I thought Sentry looked pretty impressive.. IMO

- especially going toe to toe with WWH for that long.

i just believe that if sentry was all he'd been said up to be, (in comics and on kmc) he would have performed better, thats all...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
My problem with that is you can't help comparing it to how Hulk fought against him. Obvoulsy if Sentry was punching so fast that WWH couldn't react you would have said otherwise.

im not talking about hulk, i'm talking about sentry...

I'm surprised this thread has gone on so long. WWH's best feats dont' compare to Superman's best recent feat of actually making the Amped IM hightail it with a BFR.

Originally posted by Raoul
i just believe that if sentry was all he'd been said up to be, (in comics and on kmc) he would have performed better, thats all...

im not talking about hulk, i'm talking about sentry...

Yes I know.....my point is that you can't talk about Sentry's performance without somehow relating it to the Hulk because he was fighting him. 😐

Or maybe I still don't get you...........

Originally posted by Raoul
i just believe that if sentry was all he'd been said up to be, (in comics and on kmc) he would have performed better, thats all...

I understand your point.
I think the real problem is that Supes fans overate him to the point that the idea of someone who approximates his speed and power who fails to stop WWH causes a mental break.

Sentry is a relatively young Superman type that is still learning and testing himself. His mental stability issues and other problems aside, He will become more and more powerful....and actually lacks Superman's weaknesses.

The fact that he couldn't really stop WWH who has both unlimited Strength, Endurance, as well as a monsterously dynamic HF doesn't really harm him at a character at all. If anything I think Reynolds fully lived up to his known powerset at the time. WWH is just too much....which is why most characters fear fighting Hulk in the first place. Its like fighting a constantly growing entity that keeps healing - in which all your attacks only make him stronger.

Hulks biggest weakness has and always will be to outsmart him - you trick him to calm him down.

Originally posted by Raoul
i just believe that if sentry was all he'd been said up to be, (in comics and on kmc) he would have performed better, thats all...

im not talking about hulk, i'm talking about sentry...

👆 true

Originally posted by horrorwolf
I understand your point.
I think the real problem is that Supes fans overate him to the point that the idea of someone who approximates his speed and power who fails to stop WWH causes a mental break.

Sentry is a relatively young Superman type that is still learning and testing himself. His mental stability issues and other problems aside, He will become more and more powerful....and actually lacks Superman's weaknesses.

The fact that he couldn't really stop WWH who has both unlimited Strength, Endurance, as well as a monsterously dynamic HF doesn't really harm him at a character at all. If anything I think Reynolds fully lived up to his known powerset at the time. WWH is just too much....which is why most character fear fighting Hulk in the first place. Its like fighting a constantly growing entity that keeps healing - in which all your attacks only make him stronger.

Hulks biggest weakness has and always will be to outsmart him - you trick him to calm him down.

Or you could remove his head.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Or you could remove his head.

😆 😆 😆 yeah, especially since Clark Kent has such a great history of beheadings. I think he has his hands full with Lex Luthor.

Fact is he lacks to both the power and killer instinct to "behead" World War Hulk. That would get the living hell beat out of him fast. Keep dreaming fangirl.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
lol yeah, especially since Clark Kent has such a great history of beheadings. I think he has his hands full with Lex Luthor.

Fact is he lacks to both the power and killer instinct to due such a thing. Keep dreaming fangirl.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Hmm. IN DOTNG he was pounding on IM saying that anything he pounded on would crumble. Seems like that killer instinct was in play when it came to saving his freinds lives.

If you think Superman would truly attempt to go around beheading people....you are in a fantasy beyond even comics. Thats never been his character to attempt to do that type of thing. just...wow.

Originally posted by horrorwolf If you think Superman would truly attempt to behead Hulk....you are in a fantasy beyond even comics. Thats never been his character to attempt to do that type of thing. just...wow.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Like when he was trying to kill wonder woman who he thought had killed lois. Wow, do you read superman much?

Yep, but you obviously don't though. Not only was that an exteme case that is out of character for Superman in the 1st place, Not to mention that there was no point in that fight in which he tried to "behead" Wonderwoman. You are living in a fantasy.

What now? - are we saying WWH has to Kill Lois before this fight? I don't ever remember that being a stipulation. lol

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Hulks biggest weakness has and always will be to outsmart him - you trick him to calm him down.

Or better yet, if you can cut him off from his source of energy. Like Surfer and Stark have done.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Yep, but you obviously don't though. Not only was that an exteme case that is out of character for Superman in the 1st place, There was no point in that fight in which he tried to "behead" Wonderwoman.

What are we now saying WWH has to Kill Lois before this fight? I don't ever remember that being a stipulation. lol

Doesn't have to be. WWH was a threat to the world. A huge one. which is why all the heroes were against him in the first place. If he were on DC earth, he would be met with the same type of force. And Superman would have to put him down like he had to put Doomsday down. It's not out of Superman's character to take someone down and permantly out if they are too much of a threat.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes I know.....my point is that you can't talk about Sentry's performance without somehow relating it to the Hulk because he was fighting him. 😐

Or maybe I still don't get you...........

i actually think hulk's performance in that fight was fine for the most part...

Originally posted by horrorwolf
I understand your point.
I think the real problem is that Supes fans overate him to the point that the idea of someone who approximates his speed and power who fails to stop WWH causes a mental break.

Sentry is a relatively young Superman type that is still learning and testing himself. His mental stability issues and other problems aside, He will become more and more powerful....and actually lacks Superman's weaknesses.

The fact that he couldn't really stop WWH who has both unlimited Strength, Endurance, as well as a monsterously dynamic HF doesn't really harm him at a character at all. If anything I think Reynolds fully lived up to his known powerset at the time. WWH is just too much....which is why most characters fear fighting Hulk in the first place. Its like fighting a constantly growing entity that keeps healing - in which all your attacks only make him stronger.

Hulks biggest weakness has and always will be to outsmart him - you trick him to calm him down.

all understandable and reasonable points...

the problem I (and alot of superman fans seem to have), is that we feel that superman is being undervalued, that he would fare far better than sentry would because of his other showings, which in all honesty tend to dwarf (in higher cases at least) alot of what the sentry has achieved in his rather short lifespan...

superman is almost unique in this sense of always wanting a fair fight... sure he recently fought grundy, and even after superman accidentally killed him, superman tried to give him CPR... we're talking about someone who literally measures every punch, every blast of hv...

then we look at OWAW. the earth gets hit bad, and imperiex sends out its probes. Superman has no problem soloing them, because its what's needed... he knows they can't be reasoned with or talked to, so he takes them apart...

i would give superman the majority against the hulk, why? because his versatility, and his almost limitless physical strength and endurance (especially nowadays). would superman get 10 out of 10? not if he tried to slug it out, which he probably would in any kind of comic at first... Superman is very quick to change fighting styles, and has a very underrated tactical mind...

is hulk stronger? at base levels, no, but i dont see why he can't surpass it... the problem is how high he has to go to surpass it... superman is considered by many to be THE preeminent physical being in DC... put simply, he's as strong as he has to be to beat the enemy he's fighting... it sounds kind of cheesy, but how many writers have used that in their stories?

and then there's everything else... there's the heat vision that can do everything from spreading far enough to reheat the earth's surface and prevent a new ice age, to performing precision brain surgery... and thats not counting the sheer offensive potential of a weapon that has one-shotted the likes of despero...

cold breath, wind-breath, a genuis intellect, well honed fighting skills...

for me, that package is too much for damn near anyone who isn't a god or close enough to one...

Originally posted by fangirl101
Like when he was trying to kill wonder woman who he thought had killed lois. Wow, do you read superman much?

you know i don't agree as far as sacrifice goes... 😛