Superman Vs WWH (Definitive, Official, One and only thread)

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
By now, it should be clear that travel speed isn't equal to combat speed 😬

Combat speed is the problem. Superman has had trouble the the likes of Mongul, Grundy etc. The fact is that Superman usually eventually fights toe to toe with most everyone. He just doesnt fight at some amazing combat speed like posters would like to have you believe. Sentry has been shown to exhibit high relexes as well.

And the main point is that the speedblitz theory fails vs Hulk. It has been shown to fail time and time again. Most people want to rely on it to keep Superman from taking damage I guess.

Originally posted by Raoul

blitzing speed means you don't want to get hit, and you want to hit this guy as hard as you possibly can

He was going fast he just couldn't careless about being hit. He was buzzing.

Originally posted by Raoul

which means one of two things: either sentry wasn't going fast enough, or his strength didnt match his speed...

Come again?

Originally posted by Raoul
there was NOTHING in wwh, imo, to give the impression that hulk can react to anything approaching ftl speeds... even in that scan pict posted, hulk gets out a few words before being struck...

unless he's turned into busta rhymes, i don't see how that makes the sentry to be blitzing speed...

as far as superman is concerned, thats mainly due to how long he's been around and how many issues... different writers will always have their own ideas about certain things, and given his ever increasing power since COIE, it could easily be seen as being contradictory...

True, but you could say the same about Superman "blitzing" in most of his fights. There is usually nothing that gives that impression....in fact most of his fights end up blow for blow....with little indication of speed.

Also again, in comics fast moving character often end up talking while moving at speeds in which speech shouldn't really register. Its comics.

Originally posted by Raoul

unless he's turned into busta rhymes, i don't see how that makes the sentry to be blitzing speed...

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Originally posted by horrorwolf
[B]Combat speed is the problem. Superman has had trouble the the likes of Mongul, Grundy etc. The fact is that Superman usually eventually fights toe to toe with most everyone. He just doesnt fight at some amazing combat speed like posters would like to have you believe. Sentry has been shown to exhibit high relexes as well.

superman gets hit, he doesn't 'have trouble' because when superman goes into a fight, he's thinking 'how hard can i hit this guy without taking his head off? how can i ensure that no-one, even my enemy, is too badly hurt?' does sentry think the same way?

superman has more than adequate reflexes... how many times has he LOST an actual fight to any of those, compared to how many times he's beaten them?

And the main point is that the speedblitz theory fails vs Hulk. It has been shown to fail time and time again. Most people want to rely on it to keep Superman from taking damage I guess.

not really... he's taken damage from plenty of higher tiers and kept fighting...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He was going fast he just couldn't careless about being hit. He was buzzing.

Come again?

what part?

Originally posted by horrorwolf
True, but you could say the same about Superman "blitzing" in most of his fights. There is usually nothing that gives that impression....in fact most of his fights end up blow for blow....with little indication of speed.

Also again, in comics fast moving character often end up talking while moving at speeds in which speech shouldn't really register. Its comics.

thats because superman usually doesnt need to be faster, as his vast strength (or his hv, freeze breath or wind breath) is usually enough...

Shouldn't purposley ignoring the rules for this forum time and time again be punishable ?

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Shouldn't purposley ignoring the rules for this forum time and time again be punishable ?

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

it is, i was just curious to see how the debate would go...

Originally posted by Raoul
superman gets hit, he doesn't 'have trouble' because when superman goes into a fight, he's thinking 'how hard can i hit this guy without taking his head off? how can i ensure that no-one, even my enemy, is too badly hurt?' does sentry think the same way?

superman has more than adequate reflexes... how many times has he LOST an actual fight to any of those, compared to how many times he's beaten them?

not really... he's taken damage from plenty of higher tiers and kept fighting...

Well if he is as fast as everyone says in a fight, he should really never get hit by anyone. This just doesnt happen...its usually quite the contrary. He gets nailed all the time by metas that dont even have superspeed.

Point being Hulk is more than capable of handling Superman's supposed combat speed, as well as any high speed flight attacks.

Originally posted by Raoul
what part?

How did you come to the conlcusion that Hulk wasn't fast enough or his strength didn't match his speed?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Shouldn't purposley ignoring the rules for this forum time and time again be punishable ?

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

There is also CIS which can stop a character from using his powers at full capacity.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Shouldn't purposley ignoring the rules for this forum time and time again be punishable ?

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

So I guess we can just say Superman would destroy most of the earth in attempts to defeat Hulk with HV. Or WWH could simply stomp all continents to nothing. Wouldnt happen, it throws character motivation and conventions out of the window.

There has to be a relevancy to usual/typical showings, or jobbers such as DS wouldnt stand any chance. I suppose we could utilize CIS/PIS at every opportunity, but that would ruin any posssible debates.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Well if he is as fast as everyone says in a fight, he should really never get hit by anyone. This just doesnt happen...its usually quite the contrary. He gets nailed all the time by metas that dont even have superspeed.

because, as batman so poignantly put it 'an enemy could be gnawing at his intestines, and clark would still be trying to shake its hand'

superman constantly tries to talk enemies down, to make peace, that can't be done if you're zipping around the battlefield...

when superman has to, as he's shown on numerous occasions, he can move fast enough to combat anyone...

Point being Hulk is more than capable of handling Superman's supposed combat speed, as well as any high speed flight attacks.

Proof?

Superman has a proven track record of being able to fight at high speeds when he's needed/wanted to...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How did you come to the conlcusion that Hulk wasn't fast enough or his strength didn't match his speed?

i was talking about sentry...

Originally posted by The Pict
You really post no evidence whatsoever, I wonder why you bother debating 😬

By the way this is Sentry flying at FTL speed.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Sentry gets pissed, and the next thing you know, he's at Saturn. He's fast needless to say.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/MightyAvengers14-018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/MightyAvengers14-019.jpg

Characters dont also have to blurred to be moving fast eg Doomsday.

Originally posted by Raoul

i was talking about sentry...

and how did you come to your conclusion?

No, but when the Hulk gets to finish his sentence by the time Sentry passes 200 yards, he's not moving very fast.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
By the way this is Sentry flying at FTL speed.

Characters dont also have to blurred to be moving fast eg Doomsday.

and how did you come to your conclusion?

I've never once said Sentry couldn't move at lightspeeds.....he just clearly wasn't in the WWH fight.

Originally posted by The Pict
You really post no evidence whatsoever, I wonder why you bother debating 😬

http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts08021nz0.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts08022is8.jpg

lol...Pages 5-16 of Sentry's respect thread can give you more proof of Sentry beyond light speed ability than I have time to post.

Please check them If you dont think his is capable of +light speed.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and how did you come to your conclusion?

if sentry was moving at blitzing speed, then he obviously wasnt as strong as people claim him to be, as hulk didnt seem as phased by alot of his attacks...

either that, or his so called blitzing speed is nothing of the sort...

Combat speed?

Originally posted by horrorwolf
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts08021nz0.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ts08022is8.jpg

lol...Pages 5-16 of Sentry's respect thread can give you more proof of Sentry beyond light speed ability than I have time to post.

Please check them If you dont think his is capable of +light speed.

Once again:

Originally posted by The Pict
I've never once said Sentry couldn't move at lightspeeds.....he just clearly wasn't in the WWH fight.

Originally posted by llagrok
No, but when the Hulk gets to finish his sentence by the time Sentry passes 200 yards, he's not moving very fast.

Probably cause Hulk lacks those undocumented "FTL speech powers".
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