Originally posted by Kutulu
Coming from a drittsekk like you that doesn't mean a whole lot, din faens rompeslikker. Din mor suger pikk i helvete, Jævel morrapuler.
That lame ass attempt of a insult that you probably looked up on Google was typical of you. You are truly a sad person. Pathetic people like you belong on my ignore list and now your added.
Originally posted by Allankles
WWH is just too limited. To have him beating Supes, big blue would have to fight stupid, which means a scenario where he doesn't use heat vision, doesn't use freeze breath, doesn't use his considerably greater speed and just stands there brawling Hulk straight up, giving WWH every chance at winning the fight.
cold, and heat vision wouldn't do jack vs Savage Hulk....much less WWH.
See, the problem is Superman fights this way all the time, which is why he has trouble with the likes of Grundy and these guys:
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=824188767rf.jpg
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/428...03-012.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/428...03-013.jpg.html
He fights this way always, and has done it for practically as long as he has existed. Whether its due to his kindness, respect for life, stupidity, glutton for punishment, need to test himself or holding back is debatable.
But "Speedblitzes", "beheadings", "punching foes into the sun"(although humorous)...etc is just more examples of out of comic character fanboy bs....that isnt backed up by over 50 years of comic history.
Still linking a fail picture where supes intentionally took a hit from a person you cant prove wwh is as strong or stronger than huh,good to see failures never change,again pis and cis dont exist in a forum fight,superman will use his speed,will use his breathe,will use his heat vision that hulk has never even come close to experiencing heat like that,and supes has in character more than once bfred people into space.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Still linking a fail picture where supes intentionally took a hit from a person you cant prove wwh is as strong or stronger than huh,good to see failures never change,again pis and cis dont exist in a forum fight,superman will use his speed,will use his breathe,will use his heat vision that hulk has never even come close to experiencing heat like that,and supes has in character more than once bfred people into space.
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Why do you always go around saying that when it's obviously false...No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. [B]Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
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exactly.
I guarantee you in any typical fight Superman is as usual - once he realizes that his HV, and freeze breath does nothing to WWH will fly in just like Sentry did and proceed to go toe to toe in typical DD, DS, Grundy, Mongul fashion as always.
Originally posted by carver9
Thats the point that Im trying to get at, despero wasnt as durable as you think he is if hawk man was able to literally hurt him with a mace.
So, you’re going ignore the fact that he took on an onslaught from Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, and Power Girl? Should I ignore the fact that WWH stalemated Sentry, and just focus on the fact that She-Hulk made him bleed?
Originally posted by carver9
Despero did nothing to make me think that he was greater then WWh.
Ah, this doesn’t mean much coming from the guy that doesn’t think moving over the speed of light, doesn’t really mean you’re actually faster than light.
Originally posted by carver9
Hell, titus took punches, heat vision, lasso, etc.. from the jla but batman made him fall to his knees with well place batarangs and grenades.
The grenades did nothing significant. The High voltage Batarangs made him drop Superman and Wonder Woman, but he was never on his knees, or seriously injured by them.
Originally posted by carver9
If youre trying to test someone ability, why would they hold back against wonderwoman, just dont make any sense.
They want to test whether she’s still good enough to be the League. Not whether she’s good enough to take out the entire League Martian Manhunter even mention that she was slower than she was before..
I consider despero weaker then wwh because he hasnt done anything on panel to make me think that hes superior in any way. Just because he took on the league dont make me think other wise because as a team the
Originally posted by carver9
jla has a bad track record
Which you have yet to proven. You’re now down to just three characters – Despero, Titus, and Doomsday. Your initial claim was that League is soloed by people quite often, by people weaker than World War Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
So titus used these attacks through his entire encounter with the jla or did he majority of the time physically out fight the jla?
He used those powers when he was taking on the entire League in the final issue.
Originally posted by carver9
What feats does hunter/prey doomsday have that put him above wwh because I sure as hell cant think of any lifting feats.When I see hunter/prey hold a planet together with nothing but pure strength then maybe I would even consider him close to being on wwh level but until then hulk>doomsday.
It’s not all about physical strength. I don’t believe that I ever said Hunter/Prey Doomsday was stronger than the Hulk, as in physically. I consider him more powerful overall, because he was adapting to his opponent’s on the fly.
And, I just feel like mentioning that I do give WWH the majority against Superman, but I do not believe he is powerful enough to solo the entire Justice League.
Seriously, Superman fights people who can't go nearly as fast as him and gets hit in the face anyway. He trades punches, it's how Sups fights. I'd give this an even split at 5/10.
Sups has the mobility edge, but the Hulk doesn't know the meaning of "holding back". He's going all out from each and every punch that pisses him off even more, which makes him go even harder.
And also, what does BFR stand for? Sorry for the n00b question...
Originally posted by Eman5805
Seriously, Superman fights people who can't go nearly as fast as him and gets hit in the face anyway. He trades punches, it's how Sups fights. I'd give this an even split at 5/10.Sups has the mobility edge, but the Hulk doesn't know the meaning of "holding back". He's going all out from each and every punch that pisses him off even more, which makes him go even harder.
And also, what does BFR stand for? Sorry for the n00b question...
Battle Field Removal.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Still linking a fail picture where supes intentionally took a hit from a person you cant prove wwh is as strong or stronger than huh,good to see failures never change,again pis and cis dont exist in a forum fight,superman will use his speed,will use his breathe,will use his heat vision that hulk has never even come close to experiencing heat like that,and supes has in character more than once bfred people into space.
The sad thing is that every time supes get knocked the hell out they always call it pis. Everytime we display batman keeping up with him or bring up titus one shotting him or despero one shotting him, etc... The supes fan throw it off as pis because it dont fit there fantasy. This pis has been happening his entire career, he basically has 60+ years of pis. Superman combat speed is next to zero, deal with it, it has been established in comics and it should be established on a forum. If you grant superman the ability to do all the things that you say that isnt really high on panel then you should also say that the spiderman vs firelord can be used, you should say the spiderman vs silver surfer is allowed, you should also say spiderman vs thor can be used also for ALL FANS. We know that its not something that commonly happen but since it did we FANS should have the right to use it.
Originally posted by carver9
Everytime we display batman keeping up with him
When has an non-upgraded Batman kept up with a competent Superman?
Originally posted by carver9
he basically has 60+ years of pis.
Anything besides Pre-Crisis Superboy's time with the Legion is inadmissible in regards to the current incarnation of Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman combat speed is next to zero, deal with it, it has been established in comics and it should be established on a forum.
He utilized his speed in his fights against, The Elite, Mongul, twice against Chinese Forces, Redemption, Imperiex Probes, Subjeckt 17, his final fight with Equus, against the Japanese guy he knew, etc.
A Goddamn moderator told you that Superman is known to us his speed in some of his battles, and you’re still going to claim that he rarely uses it? Just shut the hell up already. You’ve been proven wrong several times. And it’s same thing with you, you just ignore it, and then bring up the same bullshit in another thread.
Originally posted by carver9
If you grant superman the ability to do all the things that you say that isnt really high on panel then you should also say that the spiderman vs firelord can be used, you should say the spiderman vs silver surfer is allowed, you should also say spiderman vs thor can be used also for ALL FANS. We know that its not something that commonly happen but since it did we FANS should have the right to use it.
Spider-Man beat Firelord, once. Superman has used his speed several times. It’s not the same.
Originally posted by Rorschach
When has an non-upgraded Batman kept up with a competent Superman?Anything besides Pre-Crisis Superboy's time with the Legion is inadmissible in regards to the current incarnation of Superman.
He utilized his speed in his fights against, The Elite, Mongul, twice against Chinese Forces, Redemption, Imperiex Probes, Subjeckt 17, his final fight with Equus, against the Japanese guy he knew, etc.
A Goddamn moderator told you that Superman is known to us his speed in some of his battles, and you’re still going to claim that he rarely uses it? Just shut the hell up already. You’ve been proven wrong several times. And it’s same thing with you, you just ignore it, and then bring up the same bullshit in another thread.
Spider-Man beat Firelord, once. Superman has used his speed several times. It’s not the same.
Batman kept up with him when he shot a superman that blitzed him with a kryptonite bullet.
I can still say 60+ years since the character has been out that long and has enough combat speed to count on one hand.
You do know that speed blitz is totally different then combat speed. I agree he does have the ability to fly up to someone fast but I specifically said that HE HAS NO COMBAT SPEED. Two different things.
I cant argue with the moderator but its dispicable when people say that hulk cant hit him when lesser beings has done so.
Spiderman beat up on herald more then once and fought and almost defeated herald like characters. So Im guessing hes a top tier now.
Originally posted by carver9
Batman kept up with him when he shot a superman that blitzed him with a kryptonite bullet.
When did this happen? In what comic?
Originally posted by carver9
I can still say 60+ years since the character has been out that long and has enough combat speed to count on one hand.
If you're going to count Pre-Crisis Superman's history in regards to the current incarnation of Superman, then everything Pre-Crisis Superman did is applicable to the current incarnation of Superman. They are two separate characters.
Originally posted by carver9
You do know that speed blitz is totally different then combat speed. I agree he does have the ability to fly up to someone fast but I specifically said that HE HAS NO COMBAT SPEED. Two different things.
Combat-Speed is utilizing one’s speed during combat, which Superman does. Fighting faster than sound qualifies as combat-speed.
Originally posted by carver9
I cant argue with the moderator but its dispicable when people say that hulk cant hit him when lesser beings has done so.
Very rarely have ‘lesser beings’ hit a Superman that was actually utilizing his speed.
Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman beat up on herald more then once and fought and almost defeated herald like characters. So Im guessing hes a top tier now.
He beat Firelord, once. This forum decrees that as PIS. The only other instance of Spider-Man ‘beating up’ someone considerably stronger than him, that I know of, is when he was blitzing Matterson Thor, who was trying to get Spider-Man to understand that he was on his side, and that ‘fight’ ended with Matterson Thor using his powers to get Spider-Man away from him. He was hardly out to actually defeat Spider-Man.
Originally posted by carver9Argue with a mod? Is there something that happened?
Batman kept up with him when he shot a superman that blitzed him with a kryptonite bullet.I can still say 60+ years since the character has been out that long and has enough combat speed to count on one hand.
You do know that speed blitz is totally different then combat speed. I agree he does have the ability to fly up to someone fast but I specifically said that HE HAS NO COMBAT SPEED. Two different things.
I cant argue with the moderator but its dispicable when people say that hulk cant hit him when lesser beings has done so.
Spiderman beat up on herald more then once and fought and almost defeated herald like characters. So Im guessing hes a top tier now.
Nobody here says that in a comic Superman would speed blitz, bfr, etc at the go. Just the Vs forum rules are pretty specific about what a character can do. Supes does have speed feats while fighting and uses his powers in full as a last resort. Also, you have to take into consideration that Superman rarely goes all out in a populated area, which most of his fights take place, due to the safety of bystanders and property. Take out the city and people and use the default arena where the combatants start .5 kilometers (about .31 miles) apart and it's a whole different scenario. It's only that the plot and story has to last more than half a panel.
I agree that the rules take a lot out of battles which is why people set up conditions to make them more like a comic battle than a forum battle. In a straight up brawl WWH would do well imo but a blood lusted Supes using his powers to the fullest, not so much.
WWH and DOS DD. I honestly can't say either is >>>> the other. DD did have super speed as Superman said on panel though. Both WWH and DD were team busters and took the fight to both company's big guns. Is Sentry >>>> Superman? Not imo but people disagree and that's fine. I happen to think that Superman has better feats with more showings. I can see how conclusions are drawn using Supes vs DD and WWH vs Sentry but Supes has been show much more powerful since DOS.
Hulk has beaten top heralds but using KMC rules I don't believe Hulk has the versatility or speed to beat Sentry, Gladiator or Thor w/o a healthy dose of PIS. Is Hulk strong enough to hurt Superman? Definitely. Would he have the chance using the forum rules in the arena setting? Not imo.
Originally posted by Badabing
Argue with a mod? Is there something that happened?Nobody here says that in a comic Superman would speed blitz, bfr, etc at the go. Just the Vs forum rules are pretty specific about what a character can do. Supes does have speed feats while fighting and uses his powers in full as a last resort. Also, you have to take into consideration that Superman rarely goes all out in a populated area, which most of his fights take place, due to the safety of bystanders and property. Take out the city and people and use the default arena where the combatants start .5 kilometers (about .31 miles) apart and it's a whole different scenario. It's only that the plot and story has to last more than half a panel.
I agree that the rules take a lot out of battles which is why people set up conditions to make them more like a comic battle than a forum battle. In a straight up brawl WWH would do well imo but a blood lusted Supes using his powers to the fullest, not so much.
WWH and DOS DD. I honestly can't say either is >>>> the other. DD did have super speed as Superman said on panel though. Both WWH and DD were team busters and took the fight to both company's big guns. Is Sentry >>>> Superman? Not imo but people disagree and that's fine. I happen to think that Superman has better feats with more showings. I can see how conclusions are drawn using Supes vs DD and WWH vs Sentry but Supes has been show much more powerful since DOS.
Hulk has beaten top heralds but using KMC rules I don't believe Hulk has the versatility or speed to beat Sentry, Gladiator or Thor w/o a healthy dose of PIS. Is Hulk strong enough to hurt Superman? Definitely. Would he have the chance using the forum rules in the arena setting? Not imo.
Thanks for the post.
I didnt fuss with a moderator, to my knowledge I dont think I argued with anyone on the forum. People just have there opinions and that is something that I have to respect.
So where does cis come into place, is that something that should be thrown out the window. If we were to use battles the way that you say that it is on the forum then hulk wouldnt even stand a chance against mimic even though mimic has had hard times even taking wolverine out.
The rules do take a lot out of battle. I can basically make a thread with northstar vs thanos and since I like northstar I could basically say that its a draw because northstar moves the speed of light and we have yet to see thanos moving at such speed even though people as low as wolverine has tagged northstar.
I thought that on the forum we go by on panel feats. There is nothing that indicate that Doomsday is >hulk. Doomsday dont have enough feats that put him above hulk. You comment on people saying that doomsday is fast, do you know exactly how many times people have claimed that about hulk. In a crossover with hulk and superman, superman even say that about the hulk. Its something common in comics, almost every character has been credited with speed.
Hulk should have a chance against a lot of people. It seems like when debating is taking place we basically throw feats out the window and use imagination. Whatever happens in comics is just tossed out the window. If its like that then scans shouldnt be used during battles. We have people posting wolverine tackling speedsters like speed demon but fail to even land a lick on Mr.x or gorgon because he say that they are to fast. We have spiderman hitting quicksilver but say that rhino is to fast for him to dodge. Which scenrio do we use average showing or all of the high end showings because average showings for superman presents him as a brick high showings that he rarely has depict him as a speedster.
