Superman Vs WWH (Definitive, Official, One and only thread)

Started by carver9136 pages

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
What really annoys me is the fact that everyone likes to say that Clark is a tank. No, he's not. 😬

Superman can tank, hell, he tanks with the best of them, but he's also a smart and tactical fighter. For a so-called limited powerset, he does some ingenius things with it. Superman is a genius when it comes to using his powerset and he commonly demonstrates more versatility than most heralds.

And guys? You are rediculously lowballing the Heat Vision. He's punched through a white dwarf star with it. shock And unlike Superman, Hulk can't tank the sun. Guess what? Heat Vision is substantially hotter than the sun at full power. Hell, he's used heat vision to power a planet moving engine, and this was under a red sun. ❌

I agree with this post and it is totally true. With the little power that clark do have he use it like no other person with his powerset does. Gladiator, hyperion, etc... cant compare to the way superman intelligence is when it comes to his power BUT the thing about this is that theres really nothing that he can do against hulk with this power. Hyperion and gladiator powers have been described on panel as being as hot as the core of the sun and hulk walked through both. He has even taken a super nova blast from human torched and was basically unfazed by the raw power that sentry was unleashing. You do know that black bolt scream is>>almost anything that superman is and hulk walked through it with no problem.

The only thing superman is going to do is make hulk mad and that would basically be his downfall. The other thing to think about is that superman has been one shotted by people that doesnt even appear to have the strength that WWh displayed on panel. That could be repeated numerous of times throughout this brawl.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
What really annoys me is the fact that everyone likes to say that Clark is a tank. No, he's not. 😬

Superman can tank, hell, he tanks with the best of them, but he's also a smart and tactical fighter. For a so-called limited powerset, he does some ingenius things with it. Superman is a genius when it comes to using his powerset and he commonly demonstrates more versatility than most heralds.

And guys? You are rediculously lowballing the Heat Vision. He's punched through a white dwarf star with it. shock And unlike Superman, Hulk can't tank the sun. Guess what? Heat Vision is substantially hotter than the sun at full power. Hell, he's used heat vision to power a planet moving engine, and this was under a red sun. ❌


Agreed. And that's because Supes controls his powers instinctively.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Some really cheap Superman ripp offs made by Marvel are not as good as the real Superman. He did (inoffcial it may be) beat Thor and Hulk and he would do it again.
The heroes from DC are generally more powerful then those from Marvel. Till WWH would reach Supermans strength he would be already down, simple as that.

But anyway, opinions might differ, and threads like this are about opinions, though we ma consider an Superman 2:0 Hulk, not officially but still the best we have 😉.

I think Wonder Woman might be an better opponent for WWH, she beat the Juggernaut, she would probably beat WWH too but it would be more interesting.

Wow, just wow, so many flaws in this post that its ridiculous. Im just going to say this, put up me a superman scan of him trumping a feat that wwh has done. I'll use this feat, wwh held a planet together with nothing but pure strength. Show me superman doing something similar or even close since you say superman is stronger and if you truly think that wonder woman can beat juggernaut then its pointless to debate with you.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Agreed. And that's because Supes controls his powers instinctively.

Which still wont give him a win over hulk, no matter how he use it, unless he has something that can shut hulk t1000 healing ability.

Originally posted by jalek moye
he is not really that smart of a fighter.. well i guess he might be but he doesnt have much skill to put it to a use aginast guys that will just keep getting right back up only alot better.

If he was atleast an above average fighter he would practilly never have trouble

You haven't read that many Superman comics, have you? ❌ Supes almost never goes all out. As he's said, he takes hits until he figures out how to end a fight and then just ends it. When he's fightning seriously, he's on another level. And btw, he's a much better fighter than you give him credit for. 90-95% of Kryptonians and Daxamites don't display the finesse and skill he does with using the same powerset.

Doesn't have the skill to use against guys who keep getting back up? 🤨 Doomsday? Darkseid? Mongul? The General?

Also, the man has rediculous durability, better than almost any herald leveler and quite a few trans levelers. He's tanked freaking entropy, the Omega beams, an Anti-sun, black holes, red sun eaters, etc.

Originally posted by jalek moye
he is not really that smart of a fighter.. well i guess he might be but he doesnt have much skill to put it to a use aginast guys that will just keep getting right back up only alot better.

If he was atleast an above average fighter he would practilly never have trouble

Another good post
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Originally posted by carver9
Which still wont give him a win over hulk, no matter how he use it, unless he has something that can shut hulk t1000 healing ability.

there are actually some really useful ways he could implement all of his powers in a close qourters fighting style that might make him win.

but he doesnt really have the skill to pull it off efectivly before hulk gets too powerful

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You haven't read that many Superman comics, have you? ❌ Supes almost never goes all out. As he's said, he takes hits until he figures out how to end a fight and then just ends it. When he's fightning seriously, he's on another level. And btw, he's a much better fighter than you give him credit for. 90-95% of Kryptonians and Daxamites don't display the finesse and skill he does with using the same powerset.

Doesn't have the skill to use against guys who keep getting back up? 🤨 Doomsday? Darkseid? Mongul? The General?


i said he keeps getting back up only ALOT BETTER
everytime supes downs hulk he gets up a whole lot stronger more durable, better healing etc

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/428...03-013.jpg.html

I have no doubts Superman can tank with the best of them. The problem is that trying to tank WWH who starts on par with him = deathwish.

WWH will only get more and more powerful as the fight goes on.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You haven't read that many Superman comics, have you? ❌ Supes almost never goes all out. As he's said, he takes hits until he figures out how to end a fight and then just ends it. When he's fightning seriously, he's on another level. And btw, he's a much better fighter than you give him credit for. 90-95% of Kryptonians and Daxamites don't display the finesse and skill he does with using the same powerset.

Doesn't have the skill to use against guys who keep getting back up? 🤨 Doomsday? Darkseid? Mongul? The General?

Also, the man has rediculous durability, better than almost any herald leveler and quite a few trans levelers. He's tanked freaking entropy, the Omega beams, an Anti-sun, black holes, red sun eaters, etc.

You were doing good trickster until this post. So the loses that superman have under his belt against bricks youre saying that he basically let himself get overcome by them. That is something that I just dont agree with and if its true then superman is just plain out retarded. I do agree, superman isnt a average fighter but you have to remember this, he isnt a great fighter either. Do you remember when he lost his powers and he had to face lex luther h2h, lex luther almost killed him.

He didnt mean that he dont know how to use his powers, he saying that he dont know how to use the powers in the way that you all are saying, which he doesnt. And the people that you name has either killed superman or physically outfought him.

Originally posted by carver9
Another good post
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Not really 😬 . You agree because he's saying something that put down Supes. And it's not even true.

Originally posted by jalek moye
there are actually some really useful ways he could implement all of his powers in a close qourters fighting style that might make him win.

but he doesnt really have the skill to pull it off efectivly before hulk gets too powerful

I agree and thats why Im not giving wwh 10/10.

Originally posted by jalek moye
there is no way in hell wonder woman would beat juggernaut and wwhulk is about juggs equal

Unlimited Access #1
Crossover, so not canon
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welcome in hell my friend, not officially but anyway 😉.

Originally posted by carver9
Wow, just wow, so many flaws in this post that its ridiculous. Im just going to say this, put up me a superman scan of him trumping a feat that wwh has done. I'll use this feat, wwh held a planet together with nothing but pure strength. Show me superman doing something similar or even close since you say superman is stronger and if you truly think that wonder woman can beat juggernaut then its pointless to debate with you.

Superman moving an entire solar system ? Trinity #2 😉

Sentry stalemated WWH, he wore him down, they were equals but only because Sentry choosed to brawl, otherwise he would have defeated WWH.

Originally posted by carver9
Which still wont give him a win over hulk, no matter how he use it, unless he has something that can shut hulk t1000 healing ability.

Correct,
Or somehow cut off his internal gamma source.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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Crossover, so not canon
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welcome in hell my friend, not officially but anyway 😉.

I guess we could say this was right before she lost vs Storm... 😕

Originally posted by carver9
He didnt mean that he dont know how to use his powers, he saying that he dont know how to use the powers in the way that you all are saying, which he doesnt. And the people that you name has either killed superman or physically outfought him.

In addition, they all lack WWH's level of dynamic HF, Strength or Endurance.

Originally posted by carver9
Wow, just wow, so many flaws in this post that its ridiculous. Im just going to say this, put up me a superman scan of him trumping a feat that wwh has done. I'll use this feat, wwh held a planet together with nothing but pure strength. Show me superman doing something similar or even close since you say superman is stronger and if you truly think that wonder woman can beat juggernaut then its pointless to debate with you.

You want a better feat? The Mageddon wheel.

And I agree that unless he's bloodlusted or wants to murder Hulk, he may not put him down fast enough. But he always has the option to just blitz him out of his misery.

If Superman takes it easy on Hulk and lets him get angry enough to hurt him and he brawls with him, then of course Hulk can win. That's Hulk's style.

But we know Superman is smarter than that. He'll figure out very fast that Hulk is an increasing powerhouse and shut him down. Now, will he kill Hulk or lobotomize him? I doubt he would do it in a comic. Carver has a point that Hulk can get strong enough to hurt Supes and give him a fight, but Clark can end the fight any time he wants to.

The question is, how strong will Hulk be by the time Superman finally decides to kill him? IMO, the speed edge makes it negligible, but I can see what Carver is getting at.

And you guys forget that we're in an arena, with no innocents or public property to be destroyed. Supes is not going to hold back in the same way when he really cuts loose. 🙄

Originally posted by horrorwolf
I guess we could say this was right before she lost vs Storm... 😕

I beg to differ my friend. This decided by Marvel and DC. Storm vs WW was decided by fan votes. But anyway, it was after and I think it's ok for WW to loose once in a while 😉, unofficially, like Juggy and Hulk 😉.

BTW did you know that even Batman defeated an savage Hulk, unofficially, sure but anyway 🙂.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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welcome in hell my friend, not officially but anyway 😉.

Superman moving an entire solar system ? Trinity #2 😉

Sentry stalemated WWH, he wore him down, they were equals but only because Sentry choosed to brawl, otherwise he would have defeated WWH.

You do know that you proved nothing with those scans even if it was cannon. Juggernaut lost the fight due to plot device and you also proved in those scans that juggernaut has the ability to blitz wonder woman.

Originally posted by Badabing
Argue with a mod? Is there something that happened?

Nobody here says that in a comic Superman would speed blitz, bfr, etc at the go. Just the Vs forum rules are pretty specific about what a character can do. Supes does have speed feats while fighting and uses his powers in full as a last resort. Also, you have to take into consideration that Superman rarely goes all out in a populated area, which most of his fights take place, due to the safety of bystanders and property. Take out the city and people and use the default arena where the combatants start .5 kilometers (about .31 miles) apart and it's a whole different scenario. It's only that the plot and story has to last more than half a panel.

I agree that the rules take a lot out of battles which is why people set up conditions to make them more like a comic battle than a forum battle. In a straight up brawl WWH would do well imo but a blood lusted Supes using his powers to the fullest, not so much.

WWH and DOS DD. I honestly can't say either is >>>> the other. DD did have super speed as Superman said on panel though. Both WWH and DD were team busters and took the fight to both company's big guns. Is Sentry >>>> Superman? Not imo but people disagree and that's fine. I happen to think that Superman has better feats with more showings. I can see how conclusions are drawn using Supes vs DD and WWH vs Sentry but Supes has been show much more powerful since DOS.

Hulk has beaten top heralds but using KMC rules I don't believe Hulk has the versatility or speed to beat Sentry, Gladiator or Thor w/o a healthy dose of PIS. Is Hulk strong enough to hurt Superman? Definitely. Would he have the chance using the forum rules in the arena setting? Not imo.

Sorry to repost this. I'm not debating this but if anyone has input or questions then please PM me. Carver, can you send me your reply so I can respond with a PM? Thanks. superdur durhulk