Superman Vs WWH (Definitive, Official, One and only thread)

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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Crossover, so not canon
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welcome in hell my friend, not officially but anyway 😉.

Superman moving an entire solar system ? Trinity #2 😉

Sentry stalemated WWH, he wore him down, they were equals but only because Sentry choosed to brawl, otherwise he would have defeated WWH.

first of all marvel dc crossovers are trash since they arnt canon and dont make sense

and about sentry is everyone forgetting that sentry's prescence alone calms hulk down so he wore himself becasue he was with sentry if they werent fighting he would turned back to banner anyway

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I beg to differ my friend. This decided by Marvel and DC. Storm vs WW was decided by fan votes. But anyway, it was after and I think it's ok for WW to loose once in a while 😉, unofficially, like Juggy and Hulk 😉.

BTW did you know that even Batman defeated an savage Hulk, unofficially, sure but anyway 🙂.

Yeah,

I also have no doubts that Batman could stop Savage Hulk in many ways...Batman has history of outsmarting his opponents while remaining cool-headed and calculating, thats why he's cool. He's always aware of his mortality as well as his opponents weaknesses before ever engaging. Thats also exactly how you defeat Savage Hulk. You outsmart him or otherwise diffuse his rage.

Superman? Is quick to assert his abilities the first chance he gets. I don't classify him as tactical in the least...at least for 95% of his history. Thats why Batman>>>Superman tactically.

....But I guarantee you he didnt defeat Hulk in a physical controntation.
If Batman were that stupid, Savage Hulk would have easily left Wayne left as nothing more than a black/blue splotch in the pavement.

WWH though, is far stronger, tougher and wiser than Savage Hulk.

Dammit, bottom of the page. uhuh

Originally posted by Badabing
Argue with a mod? Is there something that happened?

Nobody here says that in a comic Superman would speed blitz, bfr, etc at the go. Just the Vs forum rules are pretty specific about what a character can do. Supes does have speed feats while fighting and uses his powers in full as a last resort. Also, you have to take into consideration that Superman rarely goes all out in a populated area, which most of his fights take place, due to the safety of bystanders and property. Take out the city and people and use the default arena where the combatants start .5 kilometers (about .31 miles) apart and it's a whole different scenario. It's only that the plot and story has to last more than half a panel.

I agree that the rules take a lot out of battles which is why people set up conditions to make them more like a comic battle than a forum battle. In a straight up brawl WWH would do well imo but a blood lusted Supes using his powers to the fullest, not so much.

WWH and DOS DD. I honestly can't say either is >>>> the other. DD did have super speed as Superman said on panel though. Both WWH and DD were team busters and took the fight to both company's big guns. Is Sentry >>>> Superman? Not imo but people disagree and that's fine. I happen to think that Superman has better feats with more showings. I can see how conclusions are drawn using Supes vs DD and WWH vs Sentry but Supes has been show much more powerful since DOS.

Hulk has beaten top heralds but using KMC rules I don't believe Hulk has the versatility or speed to beat Sentry, Gladiator or Thor w/o a healthy dose of PIS. Is Hulk strong enough to hurt Superman? Definitely. Would he have the chance using the forum rules in the arena setting? Not imo.

Originally posted by jalek moye
first of all marvel dc crossovers are trash since they arnt canon and dont make sense

and about sentry is everyone forgetting that sentry's prescence alone calms hulk down so he wore himself becasue he was with sentry if they werent fighting he would turned back to banner anyway

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Sadly, I dont think most people even know about that power that Sentry has around here....and how effective it is vs Hulk.

It was the primary reason Sentry was able to diffuse WWH's pent up rage at the end of WWH...even though he had to go toe to toe while using it....it kept WWH from growing in power too fast.

Most people think they both sort of burnt out...when really Sentry was the very factor that sedated WWH's rage - keeping him from potentially destroying the planet.....all the while taking the worst WWH had to offer. Sentry is far more badass than people are aware of....and not the "idiot" or "glutton for punishment" haters claim him to be.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Yeah,

I also have no doubts that Batman could stop Savage Hulk in many ways...Batman has history of outsmarting his opponents, thats why he's cool. Thats also exactly how you defeat Savage Hulk.

....But I guarantee you he didnt defeat Hulk in a physical controntation.
If Batman were that stupid, Savage Hulk would have easily left Wayne left as nothing more than a black/blue splotch in the pavement.

WWH though, is far stronger, tougher and wiser than Savage Hulk.

That's true, I agree^^. About Batman.

As for Superman, he often brawls and is KOed, else every comic with him would be boring as hell (JLA, S, S/B).
But at his best, when facing opponents which are a challenge, he shows where he comes from, and in vs threads we take them at their best.
WWH is Hulk at his best, Loeb *cough*, OWAW Superman is Supes at his best (?) again Loeb *cough*.
And the way Superman fough in OWAW, and when he first met an IMPERIEX Probe, I see now way for the WWH to win.

Though i give him 1-2 wins because one might never know 😉.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You want a better feat? The Mageddon wheel.

And I agree that unless he's bloodlusted or wants to murder Hulk, he may not put him down fast enough. But he always has the option to just blitz him out of his misery.

If Superman takes it easy on Hulk and lets him get angry enough to hurt him and he brawls with him, then of course Hulk can win. That's Hulk's style.

But we know Superman is smarter than that. He'll figure out very fast that Hulk is an increasing powerhouse and shut him down. Now, will he kill Hulk or lobotomize him? I doubt he would do it in a comic. Carver has a point that Hulk can get strong enough to hurt Supes and give him a fight, but Clark can end the fight any time he wants to.

The question is, how strong will Hulk be by the time Superman finally decides to kill him? IMO, the speed edge makes it negligible, but I can see what Carver is getting at.

And you guys forget that we're in an arena, with no innocents or public property to be destroyed. Supes is not going to hold back in the same way when he really cuts loose. 🙄

Is that feat what you all make it or are you exaggerating and reading between that scene to much. If you truly believe that superman can push something that has the weight of a solar system then thats crazy.

Im not going to go against your judgement, if you truly think that superman can over come hulk, Im going to leave it as that but I just dont see anything that superman has in his powerset that would take hulk out.

The debate will rage for years to come. Who stronger? Hulk or Supes

Marvel guys champion Hulk. DC faithful Supes

I read both

IMO, WWH FTW

I read both as well.

I also say Captain Marvel and Captain Atom each>>>Superman as well.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
I read both as well.

I also say Captain Marvel and Captain Atom each>>>Superman as well.

I dont know about captain atom but I do agree that captain marvel has always displayed himself as more powerful then superman. Superman even admitted this himself.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Yeah,

I also have no doubts that Batman could stop Savage Hulk in many ways...Batman has history of outsmarting his opponents while remaining cool-headed and calculating, thats why he's cool. He's always aware of his mortality as well as his opponents weaknesses before ever engaging. Thats also exactly how you defeat Savage Hulk. You outsmart him or otherwise diffuse his rage.

Originally posted by carver9
Is that feat what you all make it or are you exaggerating and reading between that scene to much. If you truly believe that superman can push something that has the weight of a solar system then thats crazy.

Im not going to go against your judgement, if you truly think that superman can over come hulk, Im going to leave it as that but I just dont see anything that superman has in his powerset that would take hulk out.

Considering Superman just moved a solar system in Action comics..........

Originally posted by Galan007
Anyhow..

You tell me whether it's crazy. 😉

How in the world did this reach 25 pages and people still give WWH a chance?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
How in the world did this reach 25 pages and people still give WWH a chance?

Only fanboy's give him the chance to win.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Considering Superman just moved a solar system in Action comics..........

You tell me whether it's crazy. 😉

I didnt see anything impressive about that feat. I guess I missed something.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Considering Superman just moved a solar system in Action comics..........

You tell me whether it's crazy. 😉

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Yet another example of aura/flight-assisted movement. This is not raw physical strength.

Far different from Superman track records in close-ranged hand to hand fights.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Only fanboy's give him the chance to win.

Trust me, Im not a fan of hulk but Im not going to down him either. There are plenty of people that I can name that can beat the hulk and by the way I know janis is going to hate this but juggernaut>WWh but you dont have to be a fan to think that someone would win. I like silver surfer over thor but I do think that thor would get a majority. like gladiator over silver surfer but I think that surfer would get a majority. I like thanos over odin but I know that odin would get a majority. I own and got every last one of the superman animated serious, trying to get all of the recent legion of doom with him in it,have all the jlu series, have all of the superman movies (except the 1st one, cant find it) and collect a lot of his comics and only buy the jla comics that have him in it, change the channel everytime I look at superman return when lex luthor is beating him up and stab him with the kryptonite but I still dont think that he can beat everyone, especially with a mere speed blitz. I look at the character and what has happened with that character instead of throwing out him not doing so good against bricks.

Even though I like mimic and he can travel at 93000 miles per second, I know that if he fought wolverine, wolverine would carve his a** up.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
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Yet another example of aura/flight-assisted movement. This is not raw physical strength.

Far different from Superman track records in close-ranged hand to hand fights.

So what? It will still be a factor in this fight 😐

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Considering Superman just moved a solar system in Action comics..........

You tell me whether it's crazy. 😉

Ok, I see what happened, he basically pushed a growing sun that appeared to not even be the size of the city but it had other planets but the planets wasnt even the size of any of the buildings in metropolis. The only thing that he had to do was push the miniture sun and the gravity would have done the rest. Maybe if it had the actual mass and weight of a solar system I would have thought a lot more of it.

Originally posted by llagrok
So what? It will still be a factor in this fight 😐

The point that hes trying to get at is that superman has no real strength feats unless hes in the air.

Originally posted by carver9
The point that hes trying to get at is that superman has no real strength feats unless hes in the air.