Superman Vs WWH (Definitive, Official, One and only thread)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's still going because posts like the one you just made lack substance, they just fan the flames further.

and it is a foolish assumption to say superman wins all fights against the hulk, hulk and doomsday are so even it isn't even funny.....i would even say hulk is as powerful as the best doomsday.(could be more so since he generates energy plus his intelligence and fighting skills are high)

OK.

1. Superman's not going to be jobbing to the Hulk.
2. Superman's not going to fight like an idiot (a la Sentry).
3. I don't care how fast the Hulk is purported to be now, he is absolutely no match in speed for Superman.
4. Superman's speed and the superior strength he starts out with can almost guarantee that the Hulk will be in for a hurting, what from all the holes he'll have in his large head.
5. Doomsday beat down a version of Superman quite inferior to the current version, and the only reason he beat Clark is because he had speed that rivaled / surpassed that of Superman AT THE TIME. Classic Hulk would be hard-pressed to defeat Doomsday if you ask me. Doomsday's speed would be too much for the guy. Hell, WWH would have trouble with a creature as powerful and as fast as Superman but 1,000 times more ruthless and mindless to boot.
6. Superman is quite versatile when compared to the Hulk. He has at least a dozen ways he can defeat the Hulk- permanently and hundreds if they're allowed to use their environment. Sure, if Superman allows this battle to drag on, the Hulk strength, speed, reflexes, durability and healing will all increase exponentially. But it still won't be enough. And remember, this is not a comic, nor will this battle be for our entertainment or amusement. The sole purpose this skirmish will serve is to prove once and for all which of these monstrous combatants is superior. No 48 page crossover here! And the victor will almost always be the same: Superman.
7. Now that I think about it, WWH is supposed to be the "strongest Huc EVAR!!!!1111eleven" so why not put him up against stronger versions of Superman? All Star Superman and KC Superman come to mind. Wait...don't answer that question. It's because it would be overkill, would it not? And neither of those guys is the strongest version of Clark.

The WWH crossover ruined the character of the Hulk I once loved so. When the Hulk is owning Black Bolt and Doctor Strange, that tears it for me. But that's what you get when you piece together an ill contrived story that only served as Marvel's saving grace last summer. It was easily the weakest crossover out of Disassembled, House of M, Civil War, Annihilation etc. But that's beside the point. I just felt the need to voice my dissatisfaction with it.

Well WWH was main continuity Hulk, KC Superman and All Star Supes aren't even the same Clark 😬

Originally posted by Mindset
Well WWH was main continuity Hulk, KC Superman and All Star Supes aren't even the same Clark 😬

Superman Prime (DC 1 million) is.

Originally posted by Mindset
Well WWH was main continuity Hulk, KC Superman and All Star Supes aren't even the same Clark 😬

Doesn't matter this is about any version Superman vs any version Hulk.

But we are going best vs best like what the rules say, Hulk gets stomped by AS Superman, 1M, Prime and PC.

Okay, just to recap. Some people think Hulk has a shot due to: the DD/Supes fight; WWH/Sentry fight; WWH/Glads fight and because Supes doesn't use a speed blitz all the time?

Originally posted by Badabing
Okay, just to recap. Some people think Hulk has a shot due to: the DD/Supes fight; WWH/Sentry fight; WWH/Glads fight and because Supes doesn't use a speed blitz all the time?

Well that, and the facts that HV would be practically useless, freezebreath of null effect, and because WorldWarHulk is already amped beyond Savage Hulk....putting him on par with Superman from the start of this fight.

Also take into account Supermans clashes with the likes of Kailbak and Graak. There were no speed feats that kept him from getting nailed.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
...putting him on par with Superman from the start of this fight.

Bullshit.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Bullshit.

youre entitled.

Well you're right, WWH can't fly or use HV....🙄

But its fact WWH took the best from everyone including Sentry....and he is far beyond Savage Hulk (who easily knocked Superman into orbit) like it or not.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
youre entitled. But its fact WWH took the best from everyone including Sentry....and he is far beyond Savage Hulk (who easily knocked Superman into orbit) like it or not.

Knocking Superman into orbit isn't beating him is it?

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Knocking Superman into orbit isn't beating him is it?

No but how many people have done that? Its a clear testament to his power...

and WWH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Savage Hulk due to pretty massive differences in base levels.

Oh my Phuking God..... this thread should be over with and no more Superman/likes vs Hulk's threads should be allowed. Because arguing with fanboy's is like talking to a wall.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Oh my Phuking God..... this thread should be over with and no more Superman/likes vs Hulk's threads should be allowed. Because arguing with fanboy's is like talking to a wall.

no it isnt. WWH >>>> Superman in any typical skirmish. I have made valid points regarding why he would win.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Oh my Phuking God..... this thread should be over with and no more Superman/likes vs Hulk's threads should be allowed. Because arguing with fanboy's is like talking to a wall.

Well I guess youre a superman fan and dont deserve to debate in here with your fanboyism.

Originally posted by Allankles
I just don't see how WWH beats Supes. Throw away PIS and the only thing keeping WWH in the fight is his regeneration and how quickly Superman will want to end it.

As I said superman can scan WWH with his Telescopic vision and X ray vision and lobotomize him. His Microscopic vision would allow his HV to cause deep internal injuries to the Hulk if he wanted. This whole comparison between Gladiators HV and Superman's is pointless since superman has MV and has demonstrated that his HV can disintergrate super durable guys and at least (in WWH case) breach his skin.

Undermining the potential of HV seems to be blatant denial of its potency. Guys who are super durable have been burned by it, even when superman wasn't using full HV. His HV is clearly above Gladiators based on feats. And it's difficult for me to assume that it doesn't damage the Hulk if Superman wants to.

There is 0 proof that Superman's HV is any stronger than Gladiators, which is hotter than the suns core.

Glads HV didnt do anything much to SavageHulk....
Superman's wont either unless you cant prove how much higher Supermans HV is than Gladiators HV. I know the suns core is hot as hell and is EASILY beyond 17 million Kelvin.

and oh yeah, we are talking about World War Hulk.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
No but how many people have done that? Its a clear testament to his power...

and WWH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Savage Hulk due to pretty massive differences in base levels.

Doesn't Savage Hulk have feats that rival/trump WWH's or am I misinformed?

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Doesn't Savage Hulk have feats that rival/trump WWH's or am I misinformed?

Savage hulk has feats that rivals WWh BUT the writer stated that wwh was the most powerful version in which he was since it was stated that his speed, strength, and durability was increased to unknown levels.

By the way, wwh 8/10

Originally posted by carver9
Savage hulk has feats that rivals WWh BUT the writer stated that wwh was the most powerful version in which he was since it was stated that his speed, strength, and durability was increased to unknown levels.

By the way, wwh 8/10

Nah....

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Nah....

Superman 7/10 against savage hulk
WWh 8/10 Against superman

WWh is just to powerful any other hulk besides war hulk and red hulk I think superman could get a good majority.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
OK.

1. Superman's not going to be jobbing to the Hulk.
2. Superman's not going to fight like an idiot (a la Sentry).
3. I don't care how fast the Hulk is purported to be now, he is absolutely no match in speed for Superman.
4. Superman's speed and the superior strength he starts out with can almost guarantee that the Hulk will be in for a hurting, what from all the holes he'll have in his large head.
5. Doomsday beat down a version of Superman quite inferior to the current version, and the only reason he beat Clark is because he had speed that rivaled / surpassed that of Superman AT THE TIME. Classic Hulk would be hard-pressed to defeat Doomsday if you ask me. Doomsday's speed would be too much for the guy. Hell, WWH would have trouble with a creature as powerful and as fast as Superman but 1,000 times more ruthless and mindless to boot.
6. Superman is quite versatile when compared to the Hulk. He has at least a dozen ways he can defeat the Hulk- permanently and hundreds if they're allowed to use their environment. Sure, if Superman allows this battle to drag on, the Hulk strength, speed, reflexes, durability and healing will all increase exponentially. But it still won't be enough. And remember, this is not a comic, nor will this battle be for our entertainment or amusement. The sole purpose this skirmish will serve is to prove once and for all which of these monstrous combatants is superior. No 48 page crossover here! And the victor will almost always be the same: Superman.
7. Now that I think about it, WWH is supposed to be the "strongest Huc EVAR!!!!1111eleven" so why not put him up against stronger versions of Superman? All Star Superman and KC Superman come to mind. Wait...don't answer that question. It's because it would be overkill, would it not? And neither of those guys is the strongest version of Clark.

1. World War Hulk and World Breaker Hulks are the most powerful versions of Hulk that have even been seen. His levels are (like it or not) on par with Superman's....if not beyond. World Breaker literally cracked up the seaboard with a single FOOTSTEP while not even trying. When has superman done this without using flight? NEVER.
He lacks that kind of raw power. He would have to gather momentum by flying high into the air and then slamming down at full speed. WWH has been proven to be more powerful than Superman when it comes to raw strength. No Superman would not be "jobbing" he would simply be losing by going toe to toe here.

2.Again Sentry did not fight like an idiot...he was trying to save everyone. Utilizing his calming presence he took the full brunt of all of WWH's assaults while continuing to calm him in the process. If you read the comic you would notice he put all of his energy into occupying WWHulk's attention while his abilities were maxed to last long enough to get help from satellites before exhausting himself by fighting with WWH. He kept WWH from quickly getting angrier with his ability to calm him...which likely saved everyone while he took a severe beating in the process. If you remember WWH's anger and rage was focused on the Illuminati - Sentry became the center of focus to subside that anger while he calmed him in the process. To do so took all of Sentry's stored energies and he collaped at the end right after the satellites hit. You can call him an idiot if you want but what he did was heroic.

3. its already been proven in this very thread that Sentry(and Gladiator) are just as fast as Superman in flight...FTL. WWH countered at least 2 of Sentrys high speed assaults. He also defeated Gladiator who is well considered Superman's approximate in both Speed and Strength. Nothing he did could stop a severe beating from Savage Hulks' growing rage. Its been proven time and time again that Hulk can and does counter speed attacks. To which fanboys reply..."well Superman is even faster than that person though..." without any valid proof in track record...basically dismissing Hulks clear and obvious speed feats in speed countering.

4.Supeman will certainly hurt World War Hulk, but World War Hulk will heal while definitely returning hurt to Superman. This is obvious....only Hulk will continue to heal faster, grow stronger and devastate eventually Superman over time...while Superman depletes and exhausts. No, So long as WWH's energy source is left in tact, Hulk does not wear out indefinitely.

5. Classic Hulk would defeat DOS DD taking his best shots and getting stronger over time.
WWH however, would wreck him rather quickly. Doomsdays fighting style would pump Hulk into insane powerlevels...and would get him pwned.

6.Yes Superman is very VERY versatile. The problem is, most of Supermans many attacks dont pose a thread to Hulk....which is precisely why he would end up expending energy going toe to toe.

7. Feel free to make threads putting him against any other versions of Superman you want.

By for our purposes, we are discussing Current Superman vs World War Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman 7/10 against savage hulk
WWh 8/10 Against superman

WWh is just to powerful any other hulk besides war hulk and red hulk I think superman could get a good majority.

The problem with your whole WWH Hulk argument is you're not really giving a convincing arguement as to how WWH is beating a non jobbing Superman. We're talking about a guy using the full repertoire of his arsenal, no brawling for the entertainment of the audience. Using his speedster abilities (which he's used against bricks like Mongul and DD in the past by the way). Using his different visions to bring the full brunt of his HV on WWH.

Using his freezebreath to basically slow WWH down. If he's using everything how does WWH not become a sitting target? Not to mention when Superman doesn't give a crap he can completely embarrass his opponents, and actually appear somewhat arrogant as he dismantles them. I've seen comics where Superman has just wrecked people without taking a hit by using speed. Even in one comic he uses his super speed to defeat DD without giving him even a moment to retaliate.

When Superman is brawling he's restrained. Your whole argument is based around a restrained Superman not using his powers to their fullest. We have on panel evidence of Superman fighting without restraint and WWH would become (like one brick superman laid out) "an exceptional punching bag".