Superman Vs WWH (Definitive, Official, One and only thread)

Originally posted by Allankles
The problem with your whole WWH Hulk argument is you're not really giving a convincing arguement as to how WWH is beating a non jobbing Superman. We're talking about a guy using the full repertoire of his arsenal, no brawling for the entertainment of the audience. Using his speedster abilities (which he's used against bricks like Mongul and DD in the past by the way). Using his different visions to bring the full brunt of his HV on WWH.

Using his freezebreath to basically slow WWH down. If he's using everything how does WWH not become a sitting target? Not to mention when Superman doesn't give a crap he can completely embarrass his opponents, and actually appear somewhat arrogant as he dismantles them. I've seen comics where Superman has just wrecked people without taking a hit by using speed. Even in one comic he uses his super speed to defeat DD without giving him even a moment to retaliate.

When Superman is brawling he's restrained. Your whole argument is based around a restrained Superman not using his powers to their fullest. We have on panel evidence of Superman fighting without restraint and WWH would become (like one brick superman laid out) "an exceptional punching bag".

The problem there is that I could apply the same to WWH:

What if World War Hulk wouldnt hold back either ? I'll tell you...he would REALLY lay Superman out, and do it even faster. World War Hulk as bad as he was, really had no intentions of killing ANYONE. he was just pissed for being exiled. Imagine if he infused himself with enough anger and applied it to killer intent? No one knows but it would be far worse than Mindless or even World War version of Hulk.

To this point we have only seen a Hulk who wanted to teach a lesson with destruction, but not really killing everyone. With killer movies WWH would be far far worse.

And regarding the freezing attempt -
there is nothing keeping Superman safe from a fierce thunderclap once he trying to start freezing Hulk...Nothing keeping Hulk from leaping out of blast range....Not to mention that ice and cold poses 0 threat to Hulk anyway.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Doesn't matter this is about any version Superman vs any version Hulk.

But we are going best vs best like what the rules say, Hulk gets stomped by AS Superman, 1M, Prime and PC.

No it's not, or else people would use Uni power Hulk...

This is WWH vs. Superman (main Cont.) 😬

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Ok well I could say the same for WWH:

What if he wouldnt hold back either ? I'll tell you...he would REALLY lay Superman out, and do it even faster. World War Hulk as bad as he was, really had no intentions of killing ANYONE. he was just pissed for being exiled. Imagine if he infused himself with enough anger and applied it to killer intent? No one knows but it would be far worse than Mindless or even World War version of Hulk.

To this point we have only seen a Hulk who wanted to teach a lesson with destruction, but not really killing everyone. With killer movies WWH would be far far worse.

And regarding the freezing attempt -
there is nothing keeping Superman safe from a fierce thunderclap once he trying to start freezing Hulk...Nothing keeping Hulk from leaping out of blast range....Not to mention that ice and cold poses 0 threat to Hulk anyway.

Superman can thunderclap as well by the way.

And this isn't the same thing. When I say Superman without restrictions I don't mean he's going for the kill. He never kills, yet he can choose to fight on his terms and not his opponents when he chooses to. That is, using speed to completely overwhelm and confound his enemies. Even using speed to make wind a weapon and suffocate people in an air vacuum, that's how fast he's moved in fights.

HV with TV to lobotomize and MV and TV to scan his opponents weaknesses and current limitations. And if he chooses to freeze WWH there's nothing Hulk could do, remember that Superman wouldn't fight down to WWH' level, he'd be fighting at his top combat speed, which a non speedster like the Hulk won't able to keep up with.

Originally posted by Allankles
Superman can thunderclap as well by the way.

And this isn't the same thing. When I say Superman without restrictions I don't mean he's going for the kill. He never kills, yet he can choose to fight on his terms and not his opponents when he chooses to. That is, using speed to completely overwhelm and confound his enemies. Even using speed to make wind a weapon and suffocate people in an air vacuum, that's how fast he's moved in fights.

HV with TV to lobotomize and MV and TV to scan his opponents weaknesses and current limitations. And if he chooses to freeze WWH there's nothing Hulk could do, remember that Superman wouldn't fight down to WWH' level, he'd be fighting at his top combat speed, which a non speedster like the Hulk won't able to keep up with.

Originally posted by Allankles
Superman can thunderclap as well by the way.

And this isn't the same thing. When I say Superman without restrictions I don't mean he's going for the kill. He never kills, yet he can choose to fight on his terms and not his opponents when he chooses to. That is, using speed to completely overwhelm and confound his enemies. Even using speed to make wind a weapon and suffocate people in an air vacuum, that's how fast he's moved in fights.

HV with TV to lobotomize and MV and TV to scan his opponents weaknesses and current limitations. And if he chooses to freeze WWH there's nothing Hulk could do, remember that Superman wouldn't fight down to WWH' level, he'd be fighting at his top combat speed, which a non speedster like the Hulk won't able to keep up with.

wind weapon??? I have no doubt that WWH would counter that. Even Savage Hulk has leaped straight through dense mountains, broken Force Fields from Modok, resisted the suction from a Macrocosm tear, broken through an energy-depleting Kree field, bare handedly split anit-matter spheres, and created fierce hurricanes and wind blasts of his own just with his hands.

World War Hulk will easily break through an unfocued air vacuum.

Originally posted by The Pict
No need Flash 10/10

Hulk can win against Superman. Supes will need to speedblitz him right from the start going all out to win. And unless he bfrs, Hulk wins.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
He killed Doomsday in their first battle (until Doomsday resurrected). I think if it came down to it Superman would kill WWH before their battle causes any harm to anyone.

Your opinion. No one can predict what extemes Hulks rage will amp him.
Even Abomination went from beating Hulk once second....to Hulk punching a gaping hole through Blonkys head the next minute.

Banner was shot in the head, reverted to Hulk and healed all damage seconds later....
There is absolutely no way of knowing "when WWH is stronger" as his gamma strengthens him in invariable surges.

Superman is not killing WWH before getting the living hell beat out of him.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Your opinion. No one can predict what extemes Hulks rage will amp him.
Even Abomination went from beating Hulk....to Hulk punching a gaping hole through Blonkys head. There is no way of knowing "when WWH is stronger" as his gamma strengthens him in variable surges.

Superman is not killing WWH before getting the living hell beat out of him.

Again unless Hulk's rage gives him sufficient speed to keep up with an unrestrained Superman, this fight doesn't look good for WWH.

Originally posted by Allankles
Again unless Hulk's rage gives him sufficient speed to keep up with an unrestrained Superman, this fight doesn't look good for WWH.

WWH has proven the abilty to counter such speed attacks. He will keep up enough to land more than a few massive blows....in the process while healing and growing stronger.

Originally posted by Allankles
Superman can thunderclap as well by the way.

And this isn't the same thing. When I say Superman without restrictions I don't mean he's going for the kill. He never kills, yet he can choose to fight on his terms and not his opponents when he chooses to. That is, using speed to completely overwhelm and confound his enemies. Even using speed to make wind a weapon and suffocate people in an air vacuum, that's how fast he's moved in fights.

HV with TV to lobotomize and MV and TV to scan his opponents weaknesses and current limitations. And if he chooses to freeze WWH there's nothing Hulk could do, remember that Superman wouldn't fight down to WWH' level, he'd be fighting at his top combat speed, which a non speedster like the Hulk won't able to keep up with.

ice breath wont do anything and you know that. He will not lobotomize him because its not in his charcter and he got that desperate it would be too late. He wouldn't be fighting at his top combat speed untill way later he would start alot slower because he always wants to use the smallest amount of force to take the person down.

Yea he can use his abilities to the fullest but since CIS is still counted here he will start out using them to lesser degrees untill he sees they dont work at those levels. which by then Hulks healing and strength and durablity will be soo high that it wont matter

Originally posted by Allankles
Again unless Hulk's rage gives him sufficient speed to keep up with an unrestrained Superman, this fight doesn't look good for WWH.

World War Hulk is already on par with Superman...unless you have a scan of Superman cracking the entire eastern seaboard with a footSTEP.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
1. World War Hulk and World Breaker Hulks are the most powerful versions of Hulk that have even been seen. His levels are (like it or not) on par with Superman's....if not beyond. World Breaker literally cracked up the seaboard with a single FOOTSTEP while not even trying. When has superman done this without using flight? NEVER.
He lacks that kind of raw power. He would have to gather momentum by flying high into the air and then slamming down at full speed. WWH has been proven to be more powerful than Superman when it comes to raw strength. No Superman would not be "jobbing" he would simply be losing by going toe to toe here.

2.Again Sentry did not fight like an idiot...he was trying to save everyone. Utilizing his calming presence he took the full brunt of all of WWH's assaults while continuing to calm him in the process. If you read the comic you would notice he put all of his energy into occupying WWHulk's attention while his abilities were maxed to last long enough to get help from satellites before exhausting himself by fighting with WWH. He kept WWH from quickly getting angrier with his ability to calm him...which likely saved everyone while he took a severe beating in the process. If you remember WWH's anger and rage was focused on the Illuminati - Sentry became the center of focus to subside that anger while he calmed him in the process. To do so took all of Sentry's stored energies and he collaped at the end right after the satellites hit. You can call him an idiot if you want but what he did was heroic.

3. its already been proven in this very thread that Sentry(and Gladiator) are just as fast as Superman in flight...FTL. WWH countered at least 2 of Sentrys high speed assaults. He also defeated Gladiator who is well considered Superman's approximate in both Speed and Strength. Nothing he did could stop a severe beating from Savage Hulks' growing rage. Its been proven time and time again that Hulk can and does counter speed attacks. To which fanboys reply..."well Superman is even faster than that person though..." without any valid proof in track record...basically dismissing Hulks clear and obvious speed feats in speed countering.

4.Supeman will certainly hurt World War Hulk, but World War Hulk will heal while definitely returning hurt to Superman. This is obvious....only Hulk will continue to heal faster, grow stronger and devastate eventually Superman over time...while Superman depletes and exhausts. No, So long as WWH's energy source is left in tact, Hulk does not wear out indefinitely.

5. Classic Hulk would defeat DOS DD taking his best shots and getting stronger over time.
WWH however, would wreck him rather quickly. Doomsdays fighting style would pump Hulk into insane powerlevels...and would get him pwned.

6.Yes Superman is very VERY versatile. The problem is, most of Supermans many attacks dont pose a thread to Hulk....which is precisely why he would end up expending energy going toe to toe.

7. Feel free to make threads putting him against any other versions of Superman you want.

By for our purposes, we are discussing Current Superman vs World War Hulk.

1. We're not talking about World Breaker Hulk.
2. Sentry just hovered there, taking the Hulk's blows the to the face talking to the Hulk like I would talk to a friend over tea.
3. Sentry nor Kallark are Superman. They are just carbon copies and check my post:

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
That's how they fight in the comics. Comics need to be interesting. Superman needs to get hit by his opponents, hence the difficulties many Flash writers have when weaving storylines. Super-speed characters are hard to write, bricks like the Hulk and Thing aren't as challenging since they don't possess the level of speed the Flash, Super WW and MM do. In a no holds barred match, Superman, Flash or WW would own IMHO.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
World War Hulk is already on par with Superman...unless you have a scan of Superman cracking the entire eastern seaboard with a footSTEP.

You know that's not the version of Hulk we're debating here. This is the Hulk that fought Sentry and the rest of planet.

Hulk has the potential to beat Superman but speed is a big factor here. Superman has the speed, and flight abilities to keep away from Hulk while having the strength to actually hurt him. Hulk has sometimes hit speeding targets but Quicksilver is a far cry from Superman, and nobody can really know how fast Sentry was going. Hasn't he also threw something to hit a speeding Surfer while in space as Prof. Hulk? But still how fast Surfer was going isn't really known that I know of. If Superman for some reason didn't use his speed I don't see him winning a brawl and most of his other powers would be just a way to make Hulk madder and stronger. With speed Superman should be able to hit Hulk with enough force and enough times to ko him before Hulk could get in enough punches to win. Just my opinion on the matter.

Originally posted by jalek moye
ice breath wont do anything and you know that. He will not lobotomize him because its not in his charcter and he got that desperate it would be too late. He wouldn't be fighting at his top combat speed untill way later he would start alot slower because he always wants to use the smallest amount of force to take the person down.

Yea he can use his abilities to the fullest but since CIS is still counted here he will start out using them to lesser degrees untill he sees they dont work at those levels. which by then Hulks healing and strength and durablity will be soo high that it wont matter

That's an odd scenario and freezebreath would slow Hulk down. And Superman lobotomizing people is in character, especially people like the Hulk who you can't reason with in battle.

Freezebreath will hold Hulk in place to get pummeled basically, making the slower fighter even slower.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
You know that's not the version of Hulk we're debating here. This is the Hulk that fought Sentry and the rest of planet.

Still close enough to WWH...and making the point that he is on par with Superman. In fact, it wont take long to go WorldBreaker on Supes while going toe to toe. He will take all of Supermans best and grow beyond it. WWH doesnt wear out, get tired, and only gets stronger and his gamma fueled HF gets stronger.

He takes this, as Superman is outmatched in this type of fight, and time is not on his side.

Originally posted by Allankles
That's an odd scenario and freezebreath would slow Hulk down. And Superman lobotomizing people is in character, especially people like the Hulk who can never reason with in battle.

I say a WWH Thunderclap blows his eardrums once he tries. Especially with his "enhanced hearing"

Originally posted by horrorwolf
I say a WWH Thunderclap blows his eardrums out. Especially with his "enhanced hearing"

It doesnt matter they still get blown out....while he gets blown away. Wash rinse repeat each and every time he tries....all the while getting stronger and angrier.

bad move. Also, there is nothing Superman can do to prevent these.

Originally posted by Allankles
That's an odd scenario and freezebreath would slow Hulk down. And Superman lobotomizing people is in character, especially people like the Hulk who you can't reason with in battle.

Freezebreath will hold Hulk in place to get pummeled basically, making the slower fighter even slower.

Why didnt freeze breath work on wonder woman. HMMM, Im guessing youre going to say that wonder woman is stronger then hulk to huh.