Originally posted by horrorwolfNo no my dear boy feats are not feats. We have feats that are produced to make the story continue regardless of how much sense they make and we have solid feats that all readers can agree with. Superman being beaten by lesser characters and Hulk beating greater characters are feats produced so the story can continue.
Feats are feats, regardless of the circumstances that produce them. Similar to Superman getting beaten by Batman.
Originally posted by iceman24567
No no my dear boy feats are not feats. We have feats that are produced to make the story continue regardless of how much sense they make and we have solid feats that all readers can agree with. Superman being beaten by lesser characters and Hulk beating greater characters are feats produced so the story can continue.
Yep, but again, for our purposes on these boards...
They are used to measure the abilities of superheroes. Regardless of how much they may or may not be disliked.
As mentioned nothing has come close to "killing" Hulk, much less over powering, out-fighting, or even threatening his health.
He has also taken the best shots from Exodus
An amped Thanos clone, The High Evolutionary, as well as blasts from Galactus without serious damage. His skin even has resisted being pierced by a Dog O' War which is capable of crushing adamantium.
Hulk is practically in-exhaustable, has a track record of better endurance and is certainly unkillable via physical punishment.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Juggernaut, Sentry, Gladiator, Onslaught, Silver Surfer, Thanos etc. To name a few.No one has ever even come close to beating Hulk to death, whereas Superman has been pummeled too many times to mention.
Eeeh, the Hulk has never "hung" with Thanos. He has been backhanded like a little *****, but he has never fought him equally. The same with Surfer and Onslaught really.
Onslaught wasn't even fighting to win... And even the x-men could ruin his physical form as much as they wanted to.
Colossus has hung with the Juggernaut and Nightcrawler was actually able to hurt him.
Gladiator and Sentry? Those were pretty good fights. Hulk has earned credit for those. Not that they're on par with Superman in any way though.
Originally posted by llagrok
Eeeh, the Hulk has never "hung" with Thanos. He has been backhanded like a little *****, but he has never fought him equally. The same with Surfer and Onslaught really.Onslaught wasn't even fighting to win... And even the x-men could ruin his physical form as much as they wanted to.
Colossus has hung with the Juggernaut and Nightcrawler was actually able to hurt him.
Gladiator and Sentry? Those were pretty good fights. Hulk has earned credit for those. Not that they're on par with Superman in any way though.
My point is not whether or not you can "hurt" Hulk or if he can feel pain - its just that the pain he recieves generally only fuels his anger...which makes him stronger, and any damage is regenerated in moments.
Whether or not you agree if Glad or Sentry is on par with Superman feat way is arguable. They are very close to Superman if not on par powerset wise. Both can move at FTL speed, have superstrength, and speed. Gladiator even has HV....they are close enough to show how Hulk responds to Superman type attacks.
Hulk can but hurt, but its pointless when its only momentary....and it doesnt stop him, and poses 0 threat of killing him. Vector destroyed Savage Hulk's eyes, skin, internal organs most of his muscle tissue and Hulk fully-regenerated it in moments....and you claim Superman can stop his World War incarnation? A guy who has gotten killed and beat down on too many occasions to count?
Nope.
Maestro regenerated himself from powder when he exploded. Even if we say WWH takes Superman's best shots - they are proven not to stop WWH.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Whether or not you agree if Glad or Sentry is on par with Superman feat way is arguable. They are very close to Superman if not on par powerset wise. Both can move at FTL speed, have superstrength, and speed. Gladiator even has HV....they are close enough to show how Hulk responds to Superman type attacks.
Not according to KMC rules, and you will abide by them.
Gladiator has superhuman travel speed and somewhat superhuman combat speed. Sentry has yet to display any impressive combat speed.
Originally posted by llagrok
Not according to KMC rules, and you will abide by them.Gladiator has superhuman travel speed and somewhat superhuman combat speed. Sentry has yet to display any impressive combat speed.
Actually Gladiator has superhuman speed, stamina, agility, and reflexes. "somewhat" is completely false and you will abide by Gladiators showings and history.
Sentry has shown superman combat speed as well, you just choose to ignore it.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Actually Gladiator has superhuman speed, stamina, agility, and reflexes. "somewhat" is completely false and you will abide by Gladiators showings and history.Sentry has shown superman combat speed as well, you just choose to ignore it.
List some of these in combat speed feats.
I'm not talking about flying from A to B fast.
Originally posted by llagrok
List some of these in combat speed feats.I'm not talking about flying from A to B fast.
Combat speed feats are always arguable - but the earliest I can remember is Sentry stopping a bullet from killing somone fired at point blank range.
Now, I don't expect a new character like Sentry to have feats stacked like a character who has been in comics for over 50 years. But Sentry certainly posesses Superhuman speed. So fast in which he seemingly is capable of teleportation....which is fast as hell.
Point being Hulk has responded better to Sentry - who is far far faster than people like Solomon Grundy and Mongul (who don't even have enhanced speed) who Superman has had major trouble with.
In fact, his primary powers come from the serum he was injected with that causined each of his atoms to exist step an instant ahead of the current time line. To claim Sentry isn't insanely fast is just ignorant.
Originally posted by RaoulSee I see it differently than you do.
in death of superman, what, 15 years ago? yeah, cos he hasn't changed at all since then...knock him out? no. beat him using one of his many powers? yes.
I see it much the same way as the Sentry fight. Except WW Hulk would imo ko him. Sentry has demonstrated sickening reaction times as horrowulf alluded to when he caught the bullet.
Sure dos was 15 years ago. But Superman has still been beaten down in todays times. We dont have to go back to fifteen years ago to see him physically annihilated.
Originally posted by llagrokJuggernaut and his almost holding his own in with this unstoppable machine like being. Sentry imo is more than Superman. He used more power than he ever had previously on WW Hulk because as he stated he was the only one who could take it.
I can't really recall anyone on par with Superman's regular enemies that the Hulk "hangs" with.That has to be the worst argument Quanchi has ever used.
Originally posted by horrorwolfExactly.
Point being Hulk has never come close to "dying" or getting beaten to death. ever.Superman has on many occasions. Although for our purposes, 1 time is enough to prove he can be beaten to death, exhausted, and KO'd with sufficient maintaned power and intensity. WWH is more than capable of toe to toe...and for as long as he needs to.
Originally posted by iceman24567Its funny how its been explained that Hulk was a lot stronger and more powerful than he ever had been previously. This means they werent jobbing Hulk was tha pissed and beyond anyone whom he faced in a physical sense. Strange could have taken him out if he used his magic on him but physically Hulk went on a rampage on earth and beat them all. It wasnt jobbing it was Hulk kicking ass.
If you can show me a scan of somebody not jobbing in WWh then i will call it even.
Dont you realize lots of posters claim Superman's jobber aura is enormous?
Originally posted by iceman24567Again WW Hulk was greater than any other Hulk ever thus explaining why he could accomplish these feats.
Nah just everytime The Hulk dropped characters like Black Bolt or The Surfer 😆
Originally posted by llagrokHulk beat Gladiator and he beat him in a much weaker incarnation than WW Hulk. What does that tell you.
Not according to KMC rules, and you will abide by them.Gladiator has superhuman travel speed and somewhat superhuman combat speed. Sentry has yet to display any impressive combat speed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
See I see it differently than you do.I see it much the same way as the Sentry fight. Except WW Hulk would imo ko him. Sentry has demonstrated sickening reaction times as horrowulf alluded to when he caught the bullet.
Sure dos was 15 years ago. But Superman has still been beaten down in todays times. We dont have to go back to fifteen years ago to see him physically annihilated.
Juggernaut and his almost holding his own in with this unstoppable machine like being. Sentry imo is more than Superman. He used more power than he ever had previously on WW Hulk because as he stated he was the only one who could take it.
Exactly.
Its funny how its been explained that Hulk was a lot stronger and more powerful than he ever had been previously. This means they werent jobbing Hulk was tha pissed and beyond anyone whom he faced in a physical sense. Strange could have taken him out if he used his magic on him but physically Hulk went on a rampage on earth and beat them all. It wasnt jobbing it was Hulk kicking ass.
Dont you realize lots of posters claim Superman's jobber aura is enormous?
Again WW Hulk was greater than any other Hulk ever thus explaining why he could accomplish these feats.
Hulk beat Gladiator and he beat him in a much weaker incarnation than WW Hulk. What does that tell you.
Although I too believe that WWH beats Superman 10/10.
The win for HULK against Gladiator was unadulterated PIS/CIS, there just so happened to be a nuclear plant near by and all of a sudden HULK knows that this specific type of radiation is just the right type to take Gladiator out. 🙄
Originally posted by quanchi112
See I see it differently than you do.I see it much the same way as the Sentry fight. Except WW Hulk would imo ko him. Sentry has demonstrated sickening reaction times as horrowulf alluded to when he caught the bullet.
Not to mention that Sentry usually supresses Hulk's ability to become stronger via rage for 2 reasons.
1. He's friends with Banner.
2. Robert Reynolds has an ability called Calming Presence which he often uses to contain Banner by slowing his rage and eventually supressing it.
Clark Kent is/has neither.
Originally posted by quanchi112So Hulk being greater than any other Hulk made Black Bolt lose off panel? Or made The Silver Surfer regain control of himself then leave himself open for for the Hulk to Ko him after beating the snot out of WWH and his Warbound at the same time? No that is bad writing. Here on Kmc Superman isn't scared to use full power and he isn't fighting the Hulk in his own comic book. Clark destroys the Hulk easily.
Again WW Hulk was greater than any other Hulk ever thus explaining why he could accomplish these feats.
Originally posted by The IlluminatiThe point is a much weaker version of the Hulk could hang with the Gladiator. If WW Hulk beat him hed break him as well. Dont you think? 🙂
Although I too believe that WWH beats Superman 10/10.The win for HULK against Gladiator was unadulterated PIS/CIS, there just so happened to be a nuclear plant near by and all of a sudden HULK knows that this specific type of radiation is just the right type to take Gladiator out. 🙄
Originally posted by iceman24567Hulk took his scream which would have leveled RIsland I believe and beat the piss out of him.
So Hulk being greater than any other Hulk made Black Bolt lose off panel? Or made The Silver Surfer regain control of himself then leave himself open for for the Hulk to Ko him after beating the snot out of WWH and his Warbound at the same time? No that is bad writing. Here on Kmc Superman isn't scared to use full power and he isn't fighting the Hulk in his own comic book. Clark destroys the Hulk easily.
I have seen Superman use his full power and a sunamp against WW. I think the Hulk could take everything he threw at her and smile.
Originally posted by iceman24567
So Hulk being greater than any other Hulk made Black Bolt lose off panel? Or made The Silver Surfer regain control of himself then leave himself open for for the Hulk to Ko him after beating the snot out of WWH and his Warbound at the same time? No that is bad writing. Here on Kmc Superman isn't scared to use full power and he isn't fighting the Hulk in his own comic book. Clark destroys the Hulk easily.
Uh...
Ok, If we were to go that route - WWH easily kills Superman eventually in Doomsday/Gog Fashion, only WWH lives.