Superman Vs WWH (Definitive, Official, One and only thread)

This thread has turned into a circular, nuh uh, yuh huh argument.

I have never seen Superman speed blitz at light speed. Superman can move faster than thought and has several speed feats on foot. Superman also has several combat speed feats. If you want proof check the respect thread or read a Superman comic.

Hulk has done well against herald level characters like Thor, Gladiator and Sentry. Hulk has crazy strength and healing feats. WWH was a team buster and tore the MU a new one. If you want proof check the respect thread or read a Hulk comic.

For the purposes of the thread we take both at their best and blood lust is on. Low balling feats and ignoring feats isn't part of the debate.

It's a well known fact that Supes very rarely goes all out due to innocent bystanders and property damage. Supes going full on using all his powers is impressive. It may not be a well known fact that WWH wasn't really blood lusted until Miek stabbed Rick. That's when we saw Hulk literally glowing with power.

It's up to everyone debating to reconcile panel feats with KMC rules.

Originally posted by Badabing
This thread has turned into a circular, nuh uh, yuh huh argument.

I have never seen Superman speed blitz at light speed. Superman can move faster than thought and has several speed feats on foot. Superman also has several combat speed feats. If you want proof check the respect thread or read a Superman comic.

Hulk has done well against herald level characters like Thor, Gladiator and Sentry. Hulk has crazy strength and healing feats. WWH was a team buster and tore the MU a new one. If you want proof check the respect thread or read a Hulk comic.

For the purposes of the thread we take both at their best and blood lust is on. Low balling feats and ignoring feats isn't part of the debate.

It's a well known fact that Supes very rarely goes all out due to innocent bystanders and property damage. Supes going full on using all his powers is impressive. It may not be a well known fact that WWH wasn't really blood lusted until Miek stabbed Rick. That's when we saw Hulk literally glowing with power.

It's up to everyone debating to reconcile panel feats with KMC rules.

Did you have to close the thread to say this? I had just written a long and amazing response to darthgoober's questions and now it's lost and it's all your fault! durfist

Originally posted by Starscream M
superman has been shown to fly faster than light...

That's not to say that Supes can't blitz fast as Hell, but I'm almost positive that he doesn't any actual lightspeed blitzing to his credit.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So has Quasar and GL but that doesn't mean that either can pull off a speedblitz against Wonder Woman(who's traveling caps out at just below lightspeed if I'm not mistaken). As Supes's fans love to point out, traveling speed and combat speed are two different things.

That's not to say that Supes can't blitz fast as Hell, but I'm almost positive that he doesn't any actual lightspeed blitzing to his credit.

Originally posted by Starscream M
but supes wouldn't need to blitz against hulk...he could fly straight at Hulk at FTL speed, Hulk would never stand a chance to either dodge or block

Originally posted by The Pict
Did you have to close the thread to say this? I had just written a long and amazing response to darthgoober's questions and now it's lost and it's all your fault! durfist

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not saying that Hulk CAN do anything about a bullrush from Supes. My issue isn't with this match in particular but rather with the misconception that Supes can of blitz every opponent at lightspeed when his blitzing capabilities have never been shown at that level.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ok, I kinda agree....I feel Superman is certainly capable of pulling of speed blitzes at FTL speed (ie...he built an entire city in mere seconds...a feat that requires the same capabilities of speedblitz (moving accurately with extreme speed)) but I do agree that he prob doesn't resort to FTL speed blitz in his comics

Originally posted by Badabing
I've been Durred!msn-oh

evillaugh Now you know how it feels!

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cool. And can we agree that if he's NEVER blitzed at lightspeed in combat that it would highly "Out of Character" for him to do so even if he does have the ability to blitz at FTL speeds?

Originally posted by The Pict
evillaugh Now you know how it feels!

Originally posted by Starscream M
I agree that it isn't in character, but I thought KMC rules pretty much eliminate the incharacter aspect for the most part...ie, on KMC Surfer creates kryptonite and red sun to beat superman (something he'd unlikely pull off in a comic), on KMC Thor resorts to God blast almost as an immediate measure (something he rarely does in comics), on KMC Invisible Woman creates a bubble in someone's brain (something she wouldnt do), etc etc

God Blast, God Wave, force bubble, IM Punch, etc may be borderline imo.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I agree that it isn't in character, but I thought KMC rules pretty much eliminate the incharacter aspect for the most part...ie, on KMC Surfer creates kryptonite and red sun to beat superman (something he'd unlikely pull off in a comic), on KMC Thor resorts to God blast almost as an immediate measure (something he rarely does in comics), on KMC Invisible Woman creates a bubble in someone's brain (something she wouldnt do), etc etc

Originally posted by darthgoober
No, everyone fights at peak efficiency but still with the confines of the character's personality. Basically it means that everyone WANTS to fight and won't spend the fight trying to reason with their opponent(and other such scenereo's that often happen in comics). Otherwise people wouldn't say that Surfer beats Supes eventually via K-nite and red sun blast, they'd say he wins by charging his board with red sun radiation and decapitating Supes by bull-rushing his neck at 1000x lightspeed or using transmutation to create a bunch of K-nite spears and impaling Supes with them in the first second of the match. There are more than a few who ignore the "In Character" and "CIS is valid" rules, but those people are in the wrong.

What about blood lust, or fighting for survival? I thought that was the gist of each bout: each character fights at his or her best doing whatever it takes to be the victor, or was that not specified in this thread. I'll go check.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Two questions...

1. When has Supes ever been stated or shown to blitz at lightspeed?
2. Didn't the scream Hulk took from the fake Blackbolt blow a chunk out of the moon or something like that?

💃

this is the best question that has been asked through the forum, please provide some evidence once someone answer it.

Originally posted by Badabing
This thread has turned into a circular, nuh uh, yuh huh argument.

I have never seen Superman speed blitz at light speed. Superman can move faster than thought and has several speed feats on foot. Superman also has several combat speed feats. If you want proof check the respect thread or read a Superman comic.

Hulk has done well against herald level characters like Thor, Gladiator and Sentry. Hulk has crazy strength and healing feats. WWH was a team buster and tore the MU a new one. If you want proof check the respect thread or read a Hulk comic.

For the purposes of the thread we take both at their best and blood lust is on. Low balling feats and ignoring feats isn't part of the debate.

It's a well known fact that Supes very rarely goes all out due to innocent bystanders and property damage. Supes going full on using all his powers is impressive. It may not be a well known fact that WWH wasn't really blood lusted until Miek stabbed Rick. That's when we saw Hulk literally glowing with power.

It's up to everyone debating to reconcile panel feats with KMC rules.

Good post badabing and well put.

Originally posted by The Pict
Uh...that doesn't matter he was knocked out by the lasers and it wasn't ever specified that they were designed for the Hulk.

Your own scan proves wrong that weapons theory. If IM knew what weapons would take out Hulk the nanobots and the missiles would have worked.
They didn't but the lasers did. They were just powerful enough to do the job, and this is a piss poor showing for hulk, and his durability, after everything he'd been through.

How is this pisspoor? The lasers were a plot device and Iron Man knew had to attack his weaknesses. Hulk let this hit him anyways. He wanted to be put down. He was too powerful and knew hed cause a lot of damage if he wasnt put down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The reason they lasers failed to work is because someone didnt put the proper ammo in here. I forget which comic it was in because there were lots of tieins but the proper ammo didnt hit him. Someone screwed up.

How is this pisspoor? The lasers were a plot device and Iron Man knew had to attack his weaknesses. Hulk let this hit him anyways. He wanted to be put down. He was too powerful and knew hed cause a lot of damage if he wasnt put down.

This is a newer thread, i remember the other one, have you been posting in this one since page one. Kinda get's repetetive, don't you think? Considering the same arguements are presented, and just makes my arguement i'd post all the more pointless, because A.) You'd just deny it and B.) Why post if it won't convince the other user. been a while since I've spoken to you Quan.

Originally posted by Dr Hackenbush
This is a newer thread, i remember the other one, have you been posting in this one since page one. Kinda get's repetetive, don't you think? Considering the same arguements are presented, and just makes my arguement i'd post all the more pointless, because A.) You'd just deny it and B.) Why post if it won't convince the other user. been a while since I've spoken to you Quan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well everything on here is repetitive. Again I dont deny anything that is proven. But on here its simple. WW Hulk cant be beaten physically while Superman can beaten and has been.

How? Superman is stronger, faster(mind you a stronger faster object will hurt!), Won't be touched, is Smarter, and has energy abilities. Superman's not going to challenge WWH to a grapple fight, how does WWH win? He'll put him down before he get's angry enough to par him. Fact is, Superman's strength feats>WWH's, and WWH has been put down before....so your point was moot.

Originally posted by Dr Hackenbush
How? Superman is stronger, faster(mind you a stronger faster object will hurt!), Won't be touched, is Smarter, and has energy abilities. Superman's not going to challenge WWH to a grapple fight, how does WWH win? He'll put him down before he get's angry enough to par him. Fact is, Superman's strength feats>WWH's, and WWH has been put down before....so your point was moot.

What does being smarter than someone help you in a brawl? Kalibak is a dumb as a rock and he and Mantis fighting like fools managed to knock Superman for a loop. Supes really had problems with Doomsday and he couldnt even utter a sentence.