Originally posted by TricksterPriestWW Hulk hasnt been ko'd and physically raped like Superman has in the past.
😂 Imperiex? Mageddon? Hulk can never approach that level of power.
Originally posted by The Pictyes when has WW Hulk been beaten let alone oneshotted?
I know. I don't think I've seen someone inaccurately judge a comic fight as much as Carver does here. WWH one shots Superman....? More like Superman one shots Hulk at the speed of light.
Originally posted by quanchi112yes when has WW Hulk been beaten let alone oneshotted?
When has he fought someone on Superman's level?
Whereas Supes handles being much more powerful than Hulk on regular basis.
Edit: Again Supes will becoming in at the speed of light, and most likely one shot Hulk. WWH's durability wasn't that impressive and he can't counter Supes in any way, shape or form.
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Chill pal it was an off the bat comment. My apologies...
Although you do constantly underplay Supes IMO...
Naah, I wasnt serious, I know that you were playing and I also know that superman is one of the most powerful earth heros on the planet earth but there are certain characters that I think that he cant beat such as thor, wwh, sentry, wonderwoman 50/50 (they are about equal), gladiator (based off of precrisis superman), king hyperion (single handily killed every hero/ villian in his solar system.), thanos. There are other but I just didnt feel the need to name them. All of which I named, superman would give all of them a good fight and could get some wins against them but I just give them a majority.
Originally posted by carver9
Naah, I wasnt serious, I know that you were playing and I also know that superman is one of the most powerful earth heros on the planet earth but there are certain characters that I think that he cant beat such as thor, wwh, sentry, wonderwoman 50/50 (they are about equal), gladiator (based off of precrisis superman), king hyperion (single handily killed every hero/ villian in his solar system.), thanos. There are other but I just didnt feel the need to name them. All of which I named, superman would give all of them a good fight and could get some wins against them but I just give them a majority.
This is fair.
I tend to disagree but that's the essence of the debate 👆
Originally posted by The Pict
When has he fought someone on Superman's level?
Whereas Supes handles being much more powerful than Hulk on regular basis.Edit: Again Supes will becoming in at the speed of light, and most likely one shot Hulk. WWH's durability wasn't that impressive and he can't counter Supes in any way, shape or form.
So youre basically saying that hulk has never fought people like despero, konvikt, and titus. And if he did fight similar beings, did he get one shotted. 🙄
Originally posted by The PictSentry is greater than Superman imo. I dont think Superman could hold his ground like Hulk did against Juggs in this story.
When has he fought someone on Superman's level?
Whereas Supes handles being much more powerful than Hulk on regular basis.Edit: Again Supes will becoming in at the speed of light, and most likely one shot Hulk. WWH's durability wasn't that impressive and he can't counter Supes in any way, shape or form.
Kalibak and Mantis would get smoked by WW Hulk. Cyborg couldnt have beat him in three punches either(I really dont think he could ever ko the WW Hulk but he raped Superman). No way no how.
How can you question his durability when no one beat him,how?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry is greater than Superman imo.
Don't make me laugh, Sentry struggles to lift a hellicarrier while Superman just threw a Sun and it's solar system out into space. Sentry expended all his energy against Hulk and turned back into Reynolds whereas Superman...well...doesn't.
Originally posted by quanchi112How can you question his durability when no one beat him,how?
You know why because I've said it all before, you just ignore it.
Because he was pierced, cut open and knocked down/around on multiple occasions. She-Hulk, Thing, New X-Men all bloodied him. They have the fraction of the power Supes has.
He also felt the blows from Colossus, Emma Frost and Strong Guy, Clark wouldn't even notice them.
He was also taken out my some lasers in his most powerful form, great durability feat there.
Originally posted by carver9
Who on my list do you think that superman can get a majority against besides hulk.
Following KMC rules only....
I believe Supes can beat Thor 6/10 (mostly due to speed)
Supes 8/10 against Sentry (Sentry is unproven at this level IMO)
Supes 8-9/10 against Wonderwoman (Wonderwoman has stated on more
than one occasion that she isn't a match for Superman, and Supes has
also proved it more often than not)
I see Gladiator as more hyperbolic then proven, mostly because his
original planet smashing strength, and ridiculous speed feats havent
been replicated since...well his creation pretty much.
I accept he was based on Pre-Crisis Superman, but lets face it, he is
hardly that level now is he?
I believe he wont be able to maintain a confident persona against
someone with Superman's strength and speed for long, and i do believe
that after Gladiator takes a few punches, he will weaken extremely
fast.
Supes 7/10 against Gladiator (most due to feats, battle proven feats)
King Hyperion? Well didn't he kill his universes Galactus or something?
I seem to remember him not being able to stop that meteor from
hitting earth, needing Magneto to stop it or something?
Honestly, i don't remember that story too well, so i may be wrong.
If he beat Galactus, then he obviously beats Superman pretty easily.
Thanos, well everyone knows Thanos love to get involved with his
fists as much as anyone, and everyone also knows the guy can take
a punch better than almost anyone as well, not to mention he possesses
enough strength to knock out the Surfer in 4 puches.
However i consider casual Supermans strength to be equal to that of a
CASUAL Thanos.
Thanos' durability is ridiculous, and almost second to none of his level
and below.
Superman's durability has also been ridiculous in certain situations,
so has his strength, often being as high as they need to be for certain
situations, and i know this is a bad debating strategy, which is why
i don't use it.
I've debated these two fighting before, and i've always said Thanos
would beat him for the majority, maybe even vast majority, but i can't
concede Superman being beaten 10/10.
Supes strength and speed in combination, will IMO falter Thanos for
one or two rounds out of ten.
Supes fights to the death, he doesn't give up, and he's extremely
durable. When you add all these factors together, he becomes one
tough character to beat.
Thanos has Supes 8-9/10 IMO.
Is this fair in your opinion pal?
Originally posted by The PictSentry used more energy than he ever had against WW Hulk but I think WW Hulk is above both. Superman has been knocked senseless by a lucky Kalibak punch.
Don't make me laugh, Sentry struggles to lift a hellicarrier while Superman just threw a Sun and it's solar system out into space. Sentry expended all his energy against Hulk and turned back into Reynolds whereas Superman...well...doesn't.You know why because I've said it all before, you just ignore it.
Because he was pierced, cut open and knocked down/around on multiple occasions. She-Hulk, Thing, New X-Men all bloodied him. They have the fraction of the power Supes has.
He also felt the blows from Colossus, Emma Frost and Strong Guy, Clark wouldn't even notice them.He was also taken out my some lasers in his most powerful form, great durability feat there.
Yes they cut him but he healed almost immediately. I have seen Superman go down in dos and he didnt look that badly beaten up but it seems he had internal injuries. Again you can cut WW Hulk but he will heal and it wont even phase him.
The lasers were desinged to take out the HUlk. Plot device its like me saying gold knite took out Superman. 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112The lasers were desinged to take out the HUlk. Plot device its like me saying gold knite took out Superman. 😂
Really where was that said? Because the impression that was given was that they were going to use them on Sentry as well to stop them both from destroying the city.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry used more energy than he ever had against WW Hulk but I think WW Hulk is above both.
That's what you "think" but it's not backed up by facts.
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Following KMC rules only....I believe Supes can beat Thor 6/10 (mostly due to speed)
Supes 8/10 against Sentry (Sentry is unproven at this level IMO)
Supes 8-9/10 against Wonderwoman (Wonderwoman has stated on more
than one occasion that she isn't a match for Superman, and Supes has
also proved it more often than not)I see Gladiator as more hyperbolic then proven, mostly because his
original planet smashing strength, and ridiculous speed feats havent
been replicated since...well his creation pretty much.
I accept he was based on Pre-Crisis Superman, but lets face it, he is
hardly that level now is he?
I believe he wont be able to maintain a confident persona against
someone with Superman's strength and speed for long, and i do believe
that after Gladiator takes a few punches, he will weaken extremely
fast.
Supes 7/10 against Gladiator (most due to feats, battle proven feats)King Hyperion? Well didn't he kill his universes Galactus or something?
I seem to remember him not being able to stop that meteor from
hitting earth, needing Magneto to stop it or something?
Honestly, i don't remember that story too well, so i may be wrong.
If he beat Galactus, then he obviously beats Superman pretty easily.Thanos, well everyone knows Thanos love to get involved with his
fists as much as anyone, and everyone also knows the guy can take
a punch better than almost anyone as well, not to mention he possesses
enough strength to knock out the Surfer in 4 puches.
However i consider casual Supermans strength to be equal to that of a
CASUAL Thanos.
Thanos' durability is ridiculous, and almost second to none of his level
and below.
Superman's durability has also been ridiculous in certain situations,
so has his strength, often being as high as they need to be for certain
situations, and i know this is a bad debating strategy, which is why
i don't use it.
I've debated these two fighting before, and i've always said Thanos
would beat him for the majority, maybe even vast majority, but i can't
concede Superman being beaten 10/10.
Supes strength and speed in combination, will IMO falter Thanos for
one or two rounds out of ten.
Supes fights to the death, he doesn't give up, and he's extremely
durable. When you add all these factors together, he becomes one
tough character to beat.
Thanos has Supes 8-9/10 IMO.Is this fair in your opinion pal?
Sounds reasonable. I kind of disagree with some of your post, especially, especially the one with gladiator because he did fight Supreme, someone that is basically>superman and actually enjoyed the fight. He also fought hyperion and his confindense didnt drop. Im thinking with his fight with superman that if anything he would be getting stronger due to superman being his almost equal.
Originally posted by The PictIron Man knew what kinds of weapons would take out the Hulk and suppress his powers i feel the satellite was another example of this. It was a plot device either way.
Really where was that said? Because the impression that was given was that they were going to use them on Sentry as well to stop them both from destroying the city.That's what you "think" but it's not backed up by facts.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Iron Man knew what kinds of weapons would take out the Hulk and suppress his powers i feel the satellite was another example of this. It was a plot device either way.
Uh...that doesn't matter he was knocked out by the lasers and it wasn't ever specified that they were designed for the Hulk.
Your own scan proves wrong that weapons theory. If IM knew what weapons would take out Hulk the nanobots and the missiles would have worked.
They didn't but the lasers did. They were just powerful enough to do the job, and this is a piss poor showing for hulk, and his durability, after everything he'd been through.
Originally posted by The Pict👆
When has he fought someone on Superman's level?
Whereas Supes handles being much more powerful than Hulk on regular basis.Edit: Again Supes will becoming in at the speed of light, and most likely one shot Hulk. WWH's durability wasn't that impressive and he can't counter Supes in any way, shape or form.
Originally posted by The Pict
Edit: Again Supes will becoming in at the speed of light, and most likely one shot Hulk. WWH's durability wasn't that impressive and he can't counter Supes in any way, shape or form.
1. When has Supes ever been stated or shown to blitz at lightspeed?
2. Didn't the scream Hulk took from the fake Blackbolt blow a chunk out of the moon or something like that?